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LLOYD

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Sunday, May 20th 2018, 12:09am

I even don't think Kazan offer 2M because Tanya Gratcheva said that we don't have rich clubs even to get Kosheleva, if Kazan got more money they can offer it to Kosheleva :whistle:

what happened to rich Russian clubs ? how were they able to pay Vasileva then ?

I even don't think Kazan offer 2M because Tanya Gratcheva said that we don't have rich clubs even to get Kosheleva, if Kazan got more money they can offer it to Kosheleva :whistle:

what happened to rich Russian clubs ? how were they able to pay Vasileva then ?

I don't think Kazan offer 1M to Vasileva. They can offer 500K not 1M maybe Mammadova and Vasileva together can get 1M not both of them. Kazan could pay Kosheleva instead of them if they really did. Kazan is the richest club in Russian league. I dont think they have much more money like Vakifbank and Eczacibashi. Even Male team of Kazan paid 500K to Leon and Matt I don't think Kazan women club is richer than male club of Kazan :whistle:

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Sunday, May 20th 2018, 12:15am

you mean Sesc Rio can pay more money to Koshe than Kazan ?
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Sunday, May 20th 2018, 12:18am

you mean Sesc Rio can pay more money to Koshe than Kazan ?


Might be. Anyway, Kazan have Turkish root and they also can pay much more money. I don't have opinion :lol:

Spyro

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Sunday, May 20th 2018, 12:19am

Top Turkish teams are very rich. I think Conegliano is the richest team in Italy,but they couldn't keep Bricio because Fenerbahce offered her much more money.

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Sunday, May 20th 2018, 12:20am

i dont think Sesc is a richer cclub than Kazan..
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Sunday, May 20th 2018, 12:27am

Top Turkish teams are very rich. I think Conegliano is the richest team in Italy,but they couldn't keep Bricio because Fenerbahce offered her much more money.

i wonder if Fener offered her some amount of money that Conegliano couldnt really pay ? or they just didnt want to pay that money to her while they were able to afford ?
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Sunday, May 20th 2018, 12:28am

I don't understand why players go to Italian league less money but they come to Turkey for much more money not medium amount of money, and they also go to Asian clubs for much more money??? :whistle: what is difference between Turkey and Italy they go to Italy even less money but Turkey for much more money ? Can't they go to Turkish league for less money like that do in Italy?
Could be for many reasons. Only the big 3 teams in Turkey (maybe GS as well) can offer those huge amounts of money and they probably only want 4 foreigners maximum in their roster so the other players have to play in other countries. Another reason could be that a lot of players simply like playing or living in Italy better than Turkey or they don't want to be on the bench etc.
The actual difference come from the taxing system of the countries. In EU, as far as I know, taxes are quite high for elite players. In Turkey, teams like Eczacibasi and Vakifbank pay far less taxes or get refunds while clubs like GS, FB, BJK couldnt get such benefits. Now they changed the law again, allowing clubs like FB, GS and BJK to use taxes they pay for professional football players to support their amateur branches including volleyball. This is one example of news from a terrible newsletter from Turkey explaining it:

https://www.dailysabah.com/football/2017…ootball-leagues


Simply, a football player pays half of his salary to taxes in Europe while he/she only pays 15% in Turkey :down:

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Sunday, May 20th 2018, 12:29am

Although Italian clubs pay less money they still have good players in their championships maybe not big names like Zhu or Kim but they still have similar power clubs and loads of strong foreigner and local players in it

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Sunday, May 20th 2018, 12:31am

Although Italian clubs pay less money they still have good players in their championships maybe not big names like Zhu or Kim but they still have similar power clubs and loads of strong foreigner and local players in it

not similar..it was like :Conegliano+Novara + the others last season :whistle:
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Sunday, May 20th 2018, 12:35am

If to be honest I think Congeliano is not interested in Bricio's staying. Why don't Fener try to sign with Fabris? She was much better than Bricio in her team. :whistle: Russian clubs are not rich even Gratcheva said that they didn't want to sign with more foreigners. Even Karpol said that our NT team need strong foreigner coach like Italians but federation is not interested :whistle: Even Zarechie could be closed last years. Pankov said that we worked here almost without money

Spyro

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Sunday, May 20th 2018, 12:35am

i wonder if Fener offered her some amount of money that Conegliano couldnt really pay ? or they just didnt want to pay that money to her while they were able to afford ?
I think they really wanted to keep her but they couldn't.

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Sunday, May 20th 2018, 12:39am

Although Italian clubs pay less money they still have good players in their championships maybe not big names like Zhu or Kim but they still have similar power clubs and loads of strong foreigner and local players in it

not similar..it was like :Conegliano+Novara + the others last season :whistle:

I'm really curious do you know Italian league better than me? Last year Modena was 5th place in regular season and they played in final and got 2nd place.

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Sunday, May 20th 2018, 12:39am

Some days ago I've read an interview of Piccinini. She told that she had really high offers to play abroad ,like 5 times more than what she was earning in Italy (I think it's a bit exaggerated,but ok :rolleyes: ) but she preferred to stay in Italy.

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Sunday, May 20th 2018, 12:39am

If to be honest I think Congeliano is not interested in Bricio's staying. Why don't Fener try to sign with Fabris? She was much better than Bricio in her team. :whistle: Russian clubs are not rich even Gratcheva said that they didn't want to sign with more foreigners. Even Karpol said that our NT team need strong foreigner coach like Italians but federation is not interested :whistle: Even Zarechie could be closed last years. Pankov said that we worked here almost without money

its sad to hear all of these..such a traditionally strong volley country cant sustain its clubs and cant develope its own coaches
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Sunday, May 20th 2018, 12:40am

I don't understand why players go to Italian league less money but they come to Turkey for much more money not medium amount of money, and they also go to Asian clubs for much more money??? :whistle: what is difference between Turkey and Italy they go to Italy even less money but Turkey for much more money ? Can't they go to Turkish league for less money like that do in Italy?
Could be for many reasons. Only the big 3 teams in Turkey (maybe GS as well) can offer those huge amounts of money and they probably only want 4 foreigners maximum in their roster so the other players have to play in other countries. Another reason could be that a lot of players simply like playing or living in Italy better than Turkey or they don't want to be on the bench etc.
The actual difference come from the taxing system of the countries. In EU, as far as I know, taxes are quite high for elite players. In Turkey, teams like Eczacibasi and Vakifbank pay far less taxes or get refunds while clubs like GS, FB, BJK couldnt get such benefits. Now they changed the law again, allowing clubs like FB, GS and BJK to use taxes they pay for professional football players to support their amateur branches including volleyball. This is one example of news from a terrible newsletter from Turkey explaining it:

https://www.dailysabah.com/football/2017…ootball-leagues


Simply, a football player pays half of his salary to taxes in Europe while he/she only pays 15% in Turkey :down:
Thank you, that is very interesting.

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Sunday, May 20th 2018, 12:42am

Although Italian clubs pay less money they still have good players in their championships maybe not big names like Zhu or Kim but they still have similar power clubs and loads of strong foreigner and local players in it

not similar..it was like :Conegliano+Novara + the others last season :whistle:

I'm really curious do you know Italian league better than me? Last year Modena was 5th place in regular season and they played in final and got 2nd place.


also Galatasay was the fourth and they played the final vs Fener after beating Vakıf with Zhu at the semis..which result was more sensational to you ?
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LLOYD

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Sunday, May 20th 2018, 12:44am

If to be honest I think Congeliano is not interested in Bricio's staying. Why don't Fener try to sign with Fabris? She was much better than Bricio in her team. :whistle: Russian clubs are not rich even Gratcheva said that they didn't want to sign with more foreigners. Even Karpol said that our NT team need strong foreigner coach like Italians but federation is not interested :whistle: Even Zarechie could be closed last years. Pankov said that we worked here almost without money

its sad to hear all of these..such a traditionally strong volley country cant sustain its clubs and cant develope its own coaches

Because it is not popular here and Federation didn't care at all and clubs play with low budget. Even tickets were free in VNL and most time :whistle:

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Sunday, May 20th 2018, 12:53am

For me Italian league is always ahead if to be honest. I even watched Italian 2nd league where Brakocevic, Dumler played. I grow up with watching Rai sport, even Puglia channel broadcast some games. Tena Santeramo was their club if I am not wrong Soninha :lol: for me Italian league is always ahead for competition. But Turkish top clubs players are stronger than Italians. I even watch Italian 2nd league too if to be honest. Neither Turkish nor Italian clubs are mine. I must tell Italian league is really exciting and interesting for me

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Sunday, May 20th 2018, 12:56am

im unhappy with the nationwide Tv coverage of VNL..i hate pay tv..why do we have to pay to watch national teams matches ? absurd!
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Sunday, May 20th 2018, 12:58am

im unhappy with nationwide Tv coverage of VNL..i hate pay tv..why do we have to pay to watch national teams ? absurd!

Don't you watch games? 8|

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