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saishuu

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Wednesday, August 16th 2017, 4:33am

Second friendly between Brazil and USA just ended and the Brazilians clinched another win, this time in 5 sets: 25/22, 19/25, 25/11, 16/25, 15/8. The game was not broadcast.

Brazil played with Raphael, Renan, Lucarelli, M. Borges, Otávio, Isac and Thales. Murilo Radke and Raphael Araújo were the S/OPP subs. No clue as to who played for USA.
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Wednesday, August 16th 2017, 12:11pm

So Brazil played the World League, just spend the whole week in Chile playing the CVS Championship and I`m assuming they arrived in Sao Paulo only yesterday and had to get up really early today to play at 10am, and they still win in 3-0. And they will fly to Manaus play one game on Tuesday, and then fly to the USA play on Friday and Saturday. And then go to Japan for the Champions Cup.

Well I think that is a lot, and probably way too much considering this is a older team with players over 30 and a couple/mostly of them had no summer off in a long long time.

But at the same time, this shows why they are the the best team in the world. I don`t think there`s any other team in the world that could keep up with all this, especially if they had won GOLD at the OG. Simply no one can keep up with them. :heart:

A lot of teams can not even play 3 games in a row in the WL ( just like when Bulgaria had to rest their starters in the game against Brazil because the trip from Bulgaria to Argentina was too long, and they could not play 3 games in a row at the same level....and this applies to other teams as well).

This is what Champions are made of - HARD WORK.
Why do you look down on all teams in general? How do you know for sure that there is no team which covered a larger distance than Brazil, for instance? And why do you think other top NTs work less than Brazil? :)

True, the Brazilian men's NT has been an example to follow in some (only in some) aspects for years. However, with a reference to our previous discussion, results will show whether this kind of strategy will work out for Dal Zotto or any other NT coach. It didn't work for Bulgaria back then, proving that Konstantinov probably (but just probably) made a mistake. It didn't quite work well for Brazil in the WL either as they lost for the first time in years against Argentina and later failed to win another competition (the finals) at home. How that miraculously worked in 2016 at the Olympics is a PhD topic, as that was one of the weirdest tournaments ever. These constant, short-term travels around the globe SHOULD play a role, especially when we are dealing with an older team. However, they didn't have super important tournaments this year, let's be honest, hence the coach could easily rotate the squad and give some rest to certain players at times. Also possible during the WL intercontinental phase because Brazil played with no pressure in some games, knowing that they will host the finals anyway. They still qualified regularly, though, which is respectable.

To sum up, Brazil didn't win the WL at home, scored some irritating (for the team, based also on the way they reacted) defeats during the Division I matches, won a pretty boring and extremely low-level South American championship (with a mixed line-up) without having to even face Argentina, and will compete in a meaningless tournament in Japan at the end of the NT season. Well, I don't see many reasons to brag, to be honest :) Compared to Brazilian standards, of course. No one denies the qualities of their players, they are still a top team and with some valid reasons as Olympic champions, so I don't see why a series of good wins, including in friendlies against US college graduates, would be granted as something exceptional.

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Wednesday, August 16th 2017, 4:19pm

Honestly it is not just me saying that, Bernardo and Ze Roberto have said that in the past many times that Brazil trains harder and more than anyone else. And that happens in club as well, from what I heard in Brazil their training sessions are longer than what they do in Europe.
And I heard many Americans say the same thing that in Europe things are very slow when it comes to training and especially working out.

I think this is cultural thing anyways, Europeans are used to be slower than the rest of the world when it comes to sport, you guys are more "old school" ..... in the Americans and Asia everyone is used to move in a faster pace.

And I was not talking down on Bulgaria or anyone else, I just used Bulgaria as a recent example.

I`m not saying one is better than the other, I`m just saying they are different.

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Thursday, August 17th 2017, 5:32pm

Seeeeee, some people wants to think World League and Grand Prix are worthless tournaments and they don`t understand why even exists.

But why teams are always playing so many friendly games? :whistle: And they all just played WL ....don`t they need rest after such a long and exhausting season???

Now imagine if there were not WG or WL, these teams would have to play even more and more friendly games....
Well, imho WL/WG is not the problem or at least only part of the problem. It is all the other stuff around it like ECH/WCH and the respective qualifiers, WC, OG, this Grand Champions thing, Club WCH etc....

Of course, they are playing friendlies now as they want to be professionally prepared for a big tournament like ECH. But for sure thats no prove that players would be somehow underemployed without WL/WGP.

My thesis is, that with a more reduced schedule, we would generally see a better level of Volleyball. Just look at recent success of cuban players on club level. Of course they are great players but imho the lack of an exhausting NT summer helps them to perform well in their clubs too.


Honestly it is not just me saying that, Bernardo and Ze Roberto have said that in the past many times that Brazil trains harder and more than anyone else. And that happens in club as well, from what I heard in Brazil their training sessions are longer than what they do in Europe.
And I heard many Americans say the same thing that in Europe things are very slow when it comes to training and especially working out.

I think this is cultural thing anyways, Europeans are used to be slower than the rest of the world when it comes to sport, you guys are more "old school" ..... in the Americans and Asia everyone is used to move in a faster pace.

And I was not talking down on Bulgaria or anyone else, I just used Bulgaria as a recent example.

I`m not saying one is better than the other, I`m just saying they are different.
I can not judge whether there is a big difference on the workload but i am convinced that it is more about the quality and consistency of the work than the pure workload. It is pretty obvious that with such great and longtime coaches like Ze Roberto/Bernardinho, Brazil is leading in this perspective.
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Saturday, August 19th 2017, 1:54am

Italy-Ned 3-0 (plus a 4th set, but I didn't find out how it's ended – I guess that means Ned won xD Italy played with the bench, anyway)*

Streaming (it was also live) on Nederlands Heren Volleyballteam Fb page (it should be the official one).
And also on 'Federazione Italiana Pallavolo' FB page.

Tomorrow second and last friendly match it's at 16.00.

I only watched the third set (quite close but not amazing, imho). The titular (as in the sets before) were Giannelli-Vettori, Lanza-Antonov, Piano-Mazzone (best scorer with 14 points, 5 were blocks), Balaso Colaci. + Pesaresi on Anotnov for the back row and sometime Spirito for Piano to serve.

There's who suggest Pesaresi may took Randazzo place in the ECh (Pesaresi also played as receiver in the 4th set, with Balaso again as digger), but I didn't understand if that could happen only if Randazzo condition aren't optimal.



*EDIT: as I suspected Ned won the 4th set.
But somebody should tell them that this doesn't mean they lost 3-1 :P It's still a 3-0 :rolll:

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De eerste wedstrijd om de Gelderland Cup met 3-1 (21-25,16-25,23-25, bonusset: 25-20) verloren, maar in de laatste set ging ie lekker

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Saturday, August 19th 2017, 6:56am

Brazil beats USA again in 3-0 ( 25-21, 25-23, 29-27).

USA started with Anderson,Holt,Russel,Shoji,Jendryk,DeFalco,Waten
Brazil with Bruno,Renan,Maurico S, Mauricio B, Isasc, Brendle, Lucas Loh.

They played in Chicago-USA. A lot of Brazilian fans in the arena.

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Saturday, August 19th 2017, 8:51am

"a lot of" ... LOL

you can go watch the 2015 WL USA vs POL in the same arena. That's "a lot of" polish fans.

saishuu

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Sunday, August 20th 2017, 5:16am

Brazil just beat USA again, this time by 3-2 (25/23, 22/25, 23/25, 25/22, 16/18.)

Brazil: Bruno, Rafael A., Lucarelli, Maurício B., Maurício S., Isac, Thales (e. M. Radke, Renan, Otávio)
USA: Christenson, Patch, Jaeschke, Anderson, Jendryk, Smith, E. Shoji (e. Holt, not sure who else lol)
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Favourite Players: M: Maxim Mikhaylov, Murilo, Serginho, Aaron Russell, Otavio,Micah Christenson, Simone Giannelli, Ivan Zaytsev, Tsvetan Sokolov, Michał Kubiak, Mariusz Wlazly, Pawel Zagummy W: Sheilla, Zhu Ting, Natalia, Fe Garay, Fofao, Gabi, Thaisa, Foluke Akinradewo, Haruka Miyashita, Wei Qiuyue, Ding Xia, Carli Lloyd, Fabi, Natalia Goncharova, Yuko Sano, Saoris Kimura and Sakoda

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Sunday, August 20th 2017, 5:36am

Otavio played superb. He's probably going to replace Eder at this point. Isac was okay. He had some troubles killing the ball. Renan played well in the fourth set. Thought they were still going to take the fourth set despite the uS Lead. Rafael got stuffed a lot. He still played well but he's not the player you can count on when serve receive is not ideal.

Brazil still got some work to do especially when introducing new middle blockers and their coverage. Some of those loose balls were pretty much saveable.

There was a funny moment when Brazil took out Bruno and put Renan in. Mauricio did all the setting. It wasn't bad but he was probably nervous to death and it showed. All his sets were really low. He even gave a "quick" set to Isac which was actually slow...:rolll:

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Sunday, August 20th 2017, 5:58am

Otavio was MVP of the game, but I don`t want him or anyone to replace Eder. Eder is my eye candy. Isasc played better yesterday.

Mauricio played great both nights, and Lucas Loh played yesterday than Lucarelli did today.

Rafael Araujo got blocked a few times, but I wonder if was this his first game of the season playing for Brazil?! He did not play WL. He played well for his first game of the season.

I wish Renan would play Champions Cup without Bruno,Wallace,Lucas,Lucarelli...just give Radke,Tiago,Lucas Loh,Joao Rafael,Otavio,Rafael Araujo the chance to play more.

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Sunday, August 20th 2017, 6:04am

Otavio was MVP of the game, but I don`t want him or anyone to replace Eder. Eder is my eye candy. Isasc played better yesterday.

Mauricio played great both nights, and Lucas Loh played yesterday than Lucarelli did today.

Rafael Araujo got blocked a few times, but I wonder if was this his first game of the season playing for Brazil?! He did not play WL. He played well for his first game of the season.

I wish Renan would play Champions Cup without Bruno,Wallace,Lucas,Lucarelli...just give Radke,Tiago,Lucas Loh,Joao Rafael,Otavio,Rafael Araujo the chance to play more.
I didn't know you were a fan of the USA NT? :rolll:

I am cracking tf up right now :rolll: :rolll: :rolll:

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Sunday, August 20th 2017, 10:50am

Germany-Belgium (friendly)

Germany - Belgium: 3-1 (25-18, 25-23, 22-25, 28-26)

Grözer (30), Fromm (15), Krick (12)
http://www.volleyball-verband.de/de/reda…-gegen-belgien/

This indicates how important Grözer is for this team.

Remember, Belgium blew away Germany, without Grözer, in the WC qual in July (-16,-16,-17)
http://www.cev.lu/Competition-Area/Match…ID=30647&ID=976

If anybody knows where to find complete stats of this game, I'd be very interested.

Tonight, they play a second friendly game.

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Sunday, August 20th 2017, 11:22am

That's a bad new for Italy! :S

Ps also the second friendly match ended 3-0 for Italy, with Ned winning again the forth supplemental set

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