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Matthias

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Saturday, July 22nd 2017, 9:01pm

@Matthias

I thought you were exaggerating then the 17-14 point 2nd set and the following timeout by Giani made it pretty clear :aww:
I wish I was exaggerating, but Kaliberda and Hirsch walk around with heads down, Fromm looks like he's about to start crying any minute and Giani seems to know that he's lost. There is not the slightest bit of life in this team :white:

And at 0:2 down, they're officially dead. There is no way they can get past both Belgium and Estonia anymore.

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Saturday, July 22nd 2017, 9:28pm

And again...

As I said before... Hirsch didn't convince me at all.

:whistle:

1/15. Good Lord. :whistle:

I really want to comfort Kaliberda. He doesn't deserve Germany. :flower:

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Saturday, July 22nd 2017, 9:41pm

And in a flash...

Germany can now be ranked together with the likes of...Montenegro and Pakistan if FIVB ever updates the world ranking today. :whistle:

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Saturday, July 22nd 2017, 10:02pm

Well, i wasn't overly optimistic before the tournament, but still i hoped, that they could at least beat Spain.....

Did not watch the match, so i can't go in detail here. But as far as i remember, I already wrote in 2016 NT thread that i wanted a new coach alreaday for 2016 season. And i think i am proven right here. You just can't change a teams' game style/mentality and additionally integrate young and inexperienced players in only a couple of weeks.

Furthermore, the likes of Kampa/Kaliberda/Fromm are probably not that good that they can carry a team on their own. They do need a working unit too, which obviously does not exist at the moment. Pretty messy situation but imho the initial faults were already made befor Giani took over....

Germany is not convincing me with Hirsch.

Giani should be more decisive and just understand that maybe Fromm in a non-receiving attacking role is where Germany should be heading at. :whistle:
You already wrote this on german NT thread but i still don't think that Fromm would be a good opposite. Imo he just lacks of athleticism and technique. And looking at todays stats, Hirsch doesn't look like the main culprit for the defeat-



Well you can't win if you just stick with what doesn't work at all for you. That's bordering on insanity. :white:

Creativity and Execution are usually what can carry a seemingly weak team to some victories.

Honestly. Giani should have tried something else...You'll never know when it works for you unless you try it. :win:

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Saturday, July 22nd 2017, 10:19pm

I want to make clear that Giani is the last person to blame for this disaster. Makes as much sense as blaming Guidetti for the collapse of the women's NT. Germany simply doesn't have young players to replace its aging veterans. It was already a miracle for a country with subzero interest in volleyball to qualify both teams for the Olympics and win medals in world competitions for such a long time. Saying this as I can already see Giani being fired/forced to resign after the upcoming ECH disaster.

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Saturday, July 22nd 2017, 10:25pm

I want to make clear that Giani is the last person to blame for this disaster. Makes as much sense as blaming Guidetti for the collapse of the women's NT. Germany simply doesn't have young players to replace its aging veterans. It was already a miracle for a country with subzero interest in volleyball to qualify both teams for the Olympics and win medals in world competitions for such a long time. Saying this as I can already see Giani being fired/forced to resign after the upcoming ECH disaster.
First of all I don't think women's team "collapsed" after Guidetti left. They're still among the top 6-8 teams in Europe and top 12-15 in the world.
About men, I half agree. We certainly don't have the biggest pool of talented players and there are not many coming. But this hasn't been different in the past either and Heynen made much more out of what he had available by running the team so that the players could use their strengths. On the other hand Giani brings his system and wants to put all players in it even though it doesn't fit them. You could see today how many times they got blocked and how many serves they missed and it's been like that all summer. Power volleyball won't work with these players.

Comparing to the bronze team 2014, there are still 3 players identic in the starting seven (Kampa, Kaliberda, Böhme) plus Fromm was regularly on court as well. Grozer is the biggest loss and Tille/M. Steuerwald are missed too, but that's no excuse going from 3rd place to not qualifying IMO.

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Saturday, July 22nd 2017, 10:42pm

I'm surprised this is their official account https://twitter.com/TeamGER_Volley/status/888845427528916992

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Saturday, July 22nd 2017, 10:57pm

I want to make clear that Giani is the last person to blame for this disaster. Makes as much sense as blaming Guidetti for the collapse of the women's NT. Germany simply doesn't have young players to replace its aging veterans. It was already a miracle for a country with subzero interest in volleyball to qualify both teams for the Olympics and win medals in world competitions for such a long time. Saying this as I can already see Giani being fired/forced to resign after the upcoming ECH disaster.


Collapse of the Women's NT? What??? :white:

I can't agree with your assessment totally. Sure there is a limitation regarding the pool of players but a coach has to find a way to make ends meet. It's not like Germany is rebuilding with young players as Matthias said.

I'm maybe sensing the veterans who left for whatever they left for out of NT did not trust his system and that's why everything fell apart for Germany.

He was at loss... A coach that cannot inspire his players to play til the bitter end is no good coach at all. Sorry. :down:

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Saturday, July 22nd 2017, 11:01pm

@Sidney Omg lol this is amazing :rolll: At least they can admit they were sh*t but yea I wouldn't expect to see this either

(Turkish fed posted a picture of Dicle who screamed, jumped and smiled after Thailands 3-0 defeat :down:, which btw I dont know where they found that picture as she has a dead poker face everytime I saw her)

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Sunday, July 23rd 2017, 12:15am

Belgium - Germany

Heynen, in a post-match interview, was especially pleased with the (Belgian) team's block defense.
He added they managed to "fatigue" the German team with the tournament's schedule and still considers the German team to have to the most individual talent.

I saw the game "live" and have to say I've never seen the Belgian team play a better game (16 blocks in 3 sets, 2 main attackers scoring over 70%).
Indeed, block-defense was way better than in last World League campaign (in part thanks to libero Stuer, now taking the starting spot).

Let's see if they can confirm tommorow against Estland.
The players are very aware the qualification is not yet sealed, they've had too many tough games against Estland in recent years.

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Sunday, July 23rd 2017, 12:51am

IMHO Germany women NT is a crap team nowadays compared to the past, but I don't want to drag this argument on and on forever so let's just agree to disagree.

Estonia must win 3-0 or 3-1, am I correct?

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Sunday, July 23rd 2017, 1:49am

Estonia must win 3-0 or 3-1, am I correct?

Yeah, only then they will overcome Belgium in points.

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Sunday, July 23rd 2017, 2:10am

Estonia must win 3-0 or 3-1, am I correct?

Yeah, only then they will overcome Belgium in points.
Thank you. I have the feeling they might easily do it, but old Belgium never ceased to amaze me for its ability to throw away matches, so... it might be a very entertaining match after all. The Belgians themselves know it, they scheduled Belgium-Estonia on the last day for a good reason. Too bad only one of them gets to qualify.

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Sunday, July 23rd 2017, 3:24pm

Thank you. I have the feeling they might easily do it, but old Belgium never ceased to amaze me for its ability to throw away matches, so... it might be a very entertaining match after all. The Belgians themselves know it, they scheduled Belgium-Estonia on the last day for a good reason. Too bad only one of them gets to qualify.

We will see. IMO Belgium is clear favourite to get it, as they haven't lost a set through the whole tournament. I can see Estonia making it to the tie-break, but it won't change a thing :P

Anyway, you still can be right, because volleyball is just about a specific match and Estonia can have "their" day tonight :box:
Germany can now be ranked together with the likes of...Montenegro and Pakistan if FIVB ever updates the world ranking today. :whistle:

It's 2 weeks already since World League finals have ended and still, they didn't manage to update the rank. I know it was a mess, but new points have to be allocated :call:

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Sunday, July 23rd 2017, 8:52pm

Estonia playing VERY well so far

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Sunday, July 23rd 2017, 9:10pm

And Estonia takes the first set!
Indeed, they are playing quite well. They collapse a bit in order to close the set.

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Monday, July 24th 2017, 7:04pm

Congrats to Belgium. In the end they have proven to be the best team in this round and very deservedly booked their ticket to WCH. Pretty amazing how Heynen always manages in very short time, to bring confident, well prepared and mostly succesful teams to the court.

German team was a big disappointment. Not even the fact that they did not qualify (you could see this coming), but the way how they lost their matches is pretty troubling. Talking about the difficencies, i don't even know where to start. Tactics, individual performances, team cohesion, complete lack of leadership on and off the court, there are hardly any positive things to mention. :(
never mess with your setter......

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Wednesday, July 26th 2017, 4:26am

I have a question related to the stupid qualification system we have in CSV: the south american championship will be hosted in Chile and it will qualify 1 team for WCh, then few weeks later there will be qualification tournament to decide the other quota in Argentina.

My question is, what happens if Argentina wins the first quota, will the second tournament still be held in Argentina but without the host nation? all this stupidity could be avoided if south american championship just gave 2 spots but whatever...

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Wednesday, July 26th 2017, 4:36am

I have a question related to the stupid qualification system we have in CSV: the south american championship will be hosted in Chile and it will qualify 1 team for WCh, then few weeks later there will be qualification tournament to decide the other quota in Argentina.

My question is, what happens if Argentina wins the first quota, will the second tournament still be held in Argentina but without the host nation? all this stupidity could be avoided if south american championship just gave 2 spots but whatever...


That would be a bad idea if either Brazil or Argentina gets upset in the pool phase, they will have to meet in the semifinals then one of them is going to play in the bronze medal match and will never qualify to the world championship.

It wouldn't be bad if thet have 3 slots but South America only has 2. :white:

120

Wednesday, July 26th 2017, 5:40am

meanwhile, a few weeks ago, JPN beat AUS 3-2 in canberra, both teams qualified to WCh, besting TPE, THA, NZL.

AUS played without edgar, anyone know what's up with him?

JPN moved dekita to OPP, and both ohtake and takahashi didn't play, i wonder why, dekita didn't make much impact.

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