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Thursday, September 14th 2017, 11:45pm

People can call me ignorant, but I don`t understand why is the America continent divided into North America and South America when it comes to FIVB tournaments, but then we have the Pan American Games and Pan American Cup where all these teams compete together.

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Thursday, September 14th 2017, 11:56pm

Quality, imho.
I think that both NORCECA and South America have an overall better quality than Africa (or Oceania). Their best two teams are highly probable better than their first team.
If course it's possible I'm wrong about their quality and/or about the idea of overall respecting this presumed quality (so 1 spot for South America for me isn't enough, while 3 are probably too much, if for example Argentina and Brazil qualify in WOT/IOT and let's say Venezuela in the CQT)



You are contradicting by yourself :aww: If it is about quality, be it all European who are better than Argentina :rolleyes:

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Friday, September 15th 2017, 12:05am

People can call me ignorant, but I don`t understand why is the America continent divided into North America and South America when it comes to FIVB tournaments, but then we have the Pan American Games and Pan American Cup where all these teams compete together.


Couldn't agree any more. :thumbup:

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Friday, September 15th 2017, 2:11am

so for example, n. america has 2 strong teams (USA and CAN), so let's say both teams qualify via the W q or the IC q. then NORCECA would have a 3rd slot, which would be a conceivably weaker team

a WC-type event where 3 top teams qualify (the 12 teams would be WCh winner, plus 2 from each continent, plus a host country).

then continental Q tournaments (5 spots).

then all those not qualified, let's say the leftover top 8 in the world, would then compete for the last 3 spots.


Exactly, I think it would be the most fair order for the exact reason you expressed in the first quote: no offense, but I prefer many European teams (plus Iran) to – let's say – Venezuela and undersomething Cuba.
Obviously if Venezuela will beat Argentina in their CQT, congrats to them ^^



Quality, imho.
I think that both NORCECA and South America have an overall better quality than Africa (or Oceania). Their best two teams are highly probable better than their first team.
If course it's possible I'm wrong about their quality and/or about the idea of overall respecting this presumed quality (so 1 spot for South America for me isn't enough, while 3 are probably too much, if for example Argentina and Brazil qualify in WOT/IOT and let's say Venezuela in the CQT)



You are contradicting by yourself :aww: If it is about quality, be it all European who are better than Argentina :rolleyes:


No, I'm not :whistle:
My point is: the qualification should be arranged in order to (ideally) express the quality of the CONTINENTS, not the quality of the teams in itself.

So, for me NORCECA, South America and Asia+Oceania all deserve 2 spots, Africa 1, Europe 5 (or 4 if you don't consider Japan in the 2 of the AVC, but I would).
That doesn't necessarily mean the 6th European team isn't better than Argentina or Iran, but for me it would be unbalanced having 6/7 European teams and only spot one for the other continents, plus the host.
[for the female I would change the numbers a bit, for example adding spot for Asia]

If the CQT would be held first, Brazil and USA would probably get that spot, potentially leaving too much (too much for me, of course – others may think otherwise) space to Europe in WOT and IOT (plus 1 from the European CQT), and potentially leaving out (in this example) both Canada and Argentina.
[I'm just imagining the scenario with all 'free' spot to Europe, obviously Canada and Argentina can qualify trough IOT and WOT as well]

On the other hand, as ossubtus explained, I wouldn't like the CQT as last tournament because if Brazil, Argentina, USA, Canada had already qualified we may end up with more teams from America than reasonable (again, reasonable in my opinion, other could think it's reasonable to have 3 teams from NORCECA and 3 from South America).

[All this thought are based on the most probable results of these QTs, obviously it's theoretically possible – for example – than Brazil doesn't qualify at all. Or that Canada beat USA un the CQT, and so on.]

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Friday, September 15th 2017, 12:29pm

I think the Olympics should have the Host plus the TOP 11 best teams, I don`t care if they are all from Europe, America or Asia, if the 11 teams happens to be all from the same continent, so be it.
The Olympics is not hosted by FIVB, which means it is not like the WCH or any other event where it is nice and smart to have countries from all over to attract sponsors and fans.
If WL/GP does not have continental spot, why would the most important tournament have it? The weaker teams would benefit much more if they would play against stronger teams in the WL/GP during the OG cycle instead of playing against them just once and get trashed at the OG.

But I understand the "Olympic Dream", and African players would be crushed. But at the same time European players gets crushed also because of the continental quota.
Screw Africa with their one fixed spot out of 12, it should be all about the poor Europeans with all their chances to qualify, right?
Some people here need to learn the real meaning of the Olympic games ASAP

No, it shouldn't be all about Europe and no, we haven't forgotten about the real meaning of the Olympics. According to the ancient Olympic slogan, however, everyone should have the right to participate. And unlike most (individual) disciplines where you might just pass the qualification time/result/minimum, team games are a different story. Hence, the continent where the best volleyball is played on average and where most of the best players earn their salaries is at a disadvantage. Not because they should all qualify but because they don't have the chance to try to participate/qualify. This is the whole difference! Besides, the "participation only" slogan is long void, sports nowadays is an industry and participation only is not enough. I will just leave the scandals, the doping cases, etc., here, without launching a further discussion on it. This is why they should either alter the format (as of now, inapplicable), reduce the overall importance of the Olympic volleyball tournament (like in football, but who knows if it will be a good idea), or change the qualification process by either distributing quotas properly (I am sorry, the quotas in Rio were very pro-American and anti-European, we know who the FIVB president is; this might be the best scenario, though) or dropping the continental ones and leaving it to the best teams (I am not a fan of this idea either!).

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Friday, September 15th 2017, 2:45pm

I agree that Europe should have more slots, there is no discussion on that. When I talked about the meaning of the Olympic games I was referring to some people simply wanting to put the 12 best ranked teams in the world, which would obviously leave Africa completely out of the tournament.

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