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Monday, September 25th 2017, 8:18pm

By the way, regarding players representing Azeri, don`t you think Rahimova and Kosheleva is a bit of look-a-likes in terms of appearance?


I hear you, but I don't see the similarity at all, ofc apart from both being very tall and athletic and they have both charisma :) Polina is special :p

I keep going on about Polina, it is tongue in cheek, I have never been a fan boy of individuals in team sports, but having said that she just kills me, I hate it that she has toned it down here so far. There is a very funny picture, without memes, where she is screaming/roaring at Naz Aydemirs face across the net, obviously having won a point, and Naz is like looking across at the official at the side in huge indignation and surprise with her mouth open, wooo ref look at the that bad woman soo bad, she can't do that! lol I love me some Polina

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Monday, September 25th 2017, 9:01pm

What a come back!!! From 19-12 to 22-23 UKR

643

Monday, September 25th 2017, 9:02pm

Naz's worst performance ever :what: :what:
Because Guidetti gave one month extra holiday for Gozde's wedding with the Turkey's conditioning coach, physically Turkish team severely declines at the end of the sets.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "scarpetta" (Sep 25th 2017, 9:09pm)


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Monday, September 25th 2017, 9:04pm

Poor Kodola... ;( Two mistakes give the set and match to Turkey

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Monday, September 25th 2017, 9:05pm

Naz actually been playing bad every match but Guidetti doesn't give a f
I see 0 future for this team.

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Monday, September 25th 2017, 9:06pm

naz :cursing: :wall:

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Monday, September 25th 2017, 9:09pm

What a come back!!! From 19-12 to 22-23 UKR

What a come back, but what a waste by Ukraine at the end! At that point I was definitely cheering for a tie break!
At 23-23 Ukraine first did a terrible construction that didn't allow to spike, and when Turkey didn't close the free ball... ball attacked out.
At 24-23, ball spiked outside the antenna (I don't think it's a very easy ball to judge because you can relay only on the trajectory of the ball, but it's incredible the referees missed that... I mean, the second referee is right there...)

648

Monday, September 25th 2017, 9:15pm

bagher

ok, in the US, at least around here, when you are warming up (hitting soft spikes, bumping, setting, passing), we call that 'peppering'. not sure why...

649

Monday, September 25th 2017, 9:15pm

I can't believe Russia has a chance to win this championship again. They are not the best European team, but the other teams always lose to them at important matches...

Every euro i think the same thing, they are vulnerable etc. yet somehow they end up winning the thing. By the way someone mentioned Startseva, is she injured? She definitely is their premium setter IMO


From what I know, there's lots of complex stuff going on behind the scene. E.g. they wouldn't call Sheshenina as there's some kind of conflict. Note that both Pankova and Uraleva (=Filishtinskaya) are de facto benchers in their teams. They are younger though... and Pankova won two euro finals.

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Monday, September 25th 2017, 9:30pm

Kseniya (Koçyigit) Poznyak :obey: THANKS for not changing your last name in the volleyball world at least even though you're married.
she was named Kovalenko 10 years ago , so I think Poznyak is her married name or ? :D

As far as I remember she's born Poznyak and Kovalenko was her first husband.


Well then clearly the "native" population is not into sports, you might be right about that, the fact is most of these players originate from Azerbaijan. Also Rahimova, Hassanova, Yagupova, Mammadova etc these are all Turkic names, I don't know if they might have all come from abroad and married with "natives", I am not an expert. But it seems to me you are making judgements without some facts.

As for Turkey for example, our best athletes are Ethiopians and Colombians and Azeris, Kenyans AND Russians and Ukranians I could go on, how does that make us any different from the Azeris? I had even say Azeris are more legitimate in their recruiting as far as that goes.
You know, they change their name when they arrive there in order to conceal the fact that they are not from "the land of fire" orginally. Mammadovas name initially was Skazka and Hasanovas was Kharchenko. I do not know about Samadova, but she represented Ukraine in some of the CEV junior/youth competitions at least two times back in the days, ca 2011-2012, and if I remember properly her name back then was not Samadova, but what was it? I can not remember myself.

Samadova was born as Liza Ruban. That reminds me of how all the Cuban players were given Azeri names when they took the citizenship some years ago :rolll:

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Monday, September 25th 2017, 9:35pm

I can't believe Russia has a chance to win this championship again. They are not the best European team, but the other teams always lose to them at important matches...

Every euro i think the same thing, they are vulnerable etc. yet somehow they end up winning the thing. By the way someone mentioned Startseva, is she injured? She definitely is their premium setter IMO


From a German NT point of view I can explain the issue playing against Russia, I think: you have to serve very well to keep pressure on their reception, but if you can't keep it up, they simply outplay you on the net. They are tall and with a high-grade block with much discipline, they attack high and hard, they pressurize you all the time, when you can't counter completely (especially by service). The end of the story, and this is not only Germany, which is in this position, they overpower you mostly and you can't do much about it. The most serious threat comes from two teams obviously: the powerful Serbs and the technical and tactical excellent Italians, who can also defend a lot. All others are usually inferior...

652

Monday, September 25th 2017, 9:41pm

Aze Nt

from what i remember, just a few players like the parkhomenkos (i.e. kurt), abdulayzimova (MB), habibova (setter), karimova (MB), aliyeva (L) are from AZE.

rahimova and bayramova are from UZB, mammadova, samadova and hasanova from UKR, poznyak and yagubova from BLR, kurbanova and zhidkova from RUS, matiasovska/aghayeva/kulan is from SVK, etc.

i don't think the problem is the ethnicity of the players, it is the fact that they are imported and who become azeri on paper only; rather than domestically developed and trained. remember all the qataris and bahrainis who couldn't even remember their own (new) arabic names?

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Monday, September 25th 2017, 9:54pm


i don't think the problem is the ethnicity of the players


I do think it's a problem as well and not because I don't believe they're true Azeris or whatever. Quite simply, it is problematic if your good native born players can only come from like 2% of the population, as has been the case with Azerbaijan. The sport obviously can't grow that way.
It's a similar problem with Kazakhstan. Pretty much all of their NT players are Slavic. Now, there are a lot more Russians and other Slavs in Kazakhstan than in Azerbaijan, so that means there's more to choose from, but still, it means the talent pool is already quite limited right from the start.

And that's most likely a sign of deeper social issues that take a long time to change.

654

Monday, September 25th 2017, 10:04pm

Congrats to turkish girls and good luck for the next match..

they shouldnt have had this crisis in the end the match must have finished much earlier and easier..

i liked block-defence and serves. i didnt like offence,passing and setting

the Midddles were very good at blocking. i misssed the first set .in the other sets i liked Kübra's blocks.She is a very good blocker when she is where she should be.Eda was great at blocking as well

Neriman is the main offensive weapon thanks to the OPPs weak performances
Gözde Kırdar is offensively having a bad tournament.she should help Neriman more than that

more importantly,i cant like Naz's game.She is not terrible but when the things get worse she starts to play badly and becomes predictable.she has to set more "good-decent sets"/well passed sets to the middles not the bad ones at crucial times.this also will help Neriman get some rest and may cause the opponent to forget Neriman at times in the game.


today i liked the team's struggle and defence.I think Örge is not an agile libero..she should be faster at defence.Merve can do better

id like to watch Gamze Alikaya at times

Polen tried to help team but she lacks power. Meryem Boz is not the player of this level (at least mentally not)

i like Hande but she stop making mistakes at crucial times!
meso mi ra se beno...

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Monday, September 25th 2017, 10:14pm


i don't think the problem is the ethnicity of the players

I do think it's a problem as well and not because I don't believe they're true Azeris or whatever. Quite simply, it is problematic if your good native born players can only come from like 2% of the population, as has been the case with Azerbaijan. The sport obviously can't grow that way.


but that's not even the case. AZE is not drawing its players from the 2% russian or slavic minority. they are drawn from ABROAD! and AZE has now recruited athletes from cuba, jamaica, kenya, ethiopia etc. for its athletics team (which TUR is now copying, and BHR and QAT already did before).

KAZ is different in the sense that their players are from the country (that i know of). in the women's team, there's sana jarlagassova and the backup setter batkuidina that are kazakh, i think, and the others are mostly slavic. in the men's teams, there's a few more kazakhs. i read that it's a reflection of the soviet era, when only russians were encouraged or promoted for sports. i think their hockey team for example is mostly slavs.

but then look at athletes in the USA... black athletes are disproportionately represented in many sports.

656

Monday, September 25th 2017, 10:25pm

in this tournament when a player from the opponents has a serve series turkey could has hard times like Rabadzieva did or like Ukranian players did (?).i guess this is bcz the OPP's weak perf.they cant kill the bad sets and its up to Neriman's perf.when she kills turkey overcomes .
imh,Turkey should try to play with more offensive players on the court .Baladın could be on the court.we saw today that even though the passing was good yet the offence was not on the desired level therefore like Russia did with Voronkova Turkey could try Neriman-Baladın duo if Gözde Kırdar doenst have a good game
meso mi ra se beno...

657

Monday, September 25th 2017, 10:33pm

haven't watched the matches, but so sorry for UKR being stuck in the toughest group...

658

Monday, September 25th 2017, 10:39pm

in this tournament when a player from the opponents has a serve series turkey could has hard times like Rabadzieva did or like Ukranian players did (?).i guess this is bcz the OPP's weak perf.they cant kill the bad sets and its up to Neriman's perf.when she kills turkey overcomes .
imh,Turkey should try to play with more offensive players on the court .Baladın could be on the court.we saw today that even though the passing was good yet the offence was not on the desired level therefore like Russia did with Voronkova Turkey could try Neriman-Baladın duo if Gözde Kırdar doenst have a good game


I don't think this is only Turkey's problem. All four teams of the group were having these 10-point eclipses. Very nervy volleyball.

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Monday, September 25th 2017, 10:43pm

I will repeat this again, the best Russian setter is still Startseva. I told it in the beginning of this summer too and now it is proved again. Both Filistinskaia and Kosianenko are retarding their team.
Just watched the match between Russia and Bulgaria and the setting woes started from the very first set. Both setters have their own problems. Pankova is slow and predictable, while Filishstinkaia used the MBs more, her setting to 4 and 2 is quite problematic. Her sets to Goncharova in particular were sometimes ridiculous. They definitely need Startseva back next year for WCH if this team is to seriously compete.. Speaking of Goncharova, how many single blocks already she had in this tournament? :white: In the match against Bulgaria, she had at least two and I remember in the Turkey match she had one at a crucial moment against Neriman. Such a great opposite

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Monday, September 25th 2017, 10:56pm

if Bulgaria beats Germany next opponent will be Azerbaijan (of course if German girls offensively have a great match and serve well then they can beat Bulgaria but not an easy task!)


what do you think about a probable Bulgaria-Azerbaijan QF match ?
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