Champion's League 2009/2010

If Naz was better she would play.
Naz did not use her chances.

Well...
I haven't got the chance to see Naz play long so i can't really say which setter is the best. But from what i saw before the matchs, Naz seems to set higher balls than Dirickx.
I regret the fact that Dirick relys too much on her top scorers and forget her MB!!! At the beginning of the first set she played more with them and at that moment Fenerbahce was playing the same level than Bergamo. But once she had let them aside...Bergamo took the advantage! Furst did not have big problems in reading her choices!! And also thanks to his defenses...

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If Naz was better she would play.
Naz did not use her chances.

It's no use to argue with you about any volleyball topic including this one because I know very well what kind of personality you have and you show it every time just as your last message that doesnt depend any real basis but simple logic inferences. Your chauvinistic mind keeps you away from realities that you dindt want to hear so you like to believe only rumors you want to hear just like the bullshit that you said before on a Turkish forum Fenerbahce wanted to keep Oksana but she didnt. Although you dont have any relation with the club you think you are the only person that you know the secret truth behind the doors and you can dare to say these lies as if they really happened.

I am telling you the facts why Dirickx is not excellent as you and people like you think but only thing you can reply back is Naz didnt use her chance. Because you dont have any other basis as always. Naz lost her place not because she didnt use her chance it's because she got injuried and then Jan De Brandt has not choicen her because he wants to play with a setter transferred by himself even if Dirickx plays bad. I wont bother to spend my time giving examples taken from many world-wide volleyball specialists write about what kind of skills Naz has as a setter. Naz proved many times in many levels she is better than Dirickx and your world-class setter Oksana in your own mind. Dirickx and Oksana can only dream what Naz made so far even if she is just 19. And she will prove again when she will become the first setter of the team in the next year. But I am sure you will find new excuses when your pathetic predictions will false. Till then, I leave you in your own dreams.

I have just heard from a conversation on Fenerbahce TV (Cengiz Çandar's informal knowledge within the Fenerbahce Acibadem) that Gamova asks the club managers about the next year's setters. Because Turkish Volleball Federation wants to limit the number of foreign players in the Turkish leauge (2 in the field and 2 in the bench). So, If Natasha Osmokrovic and Gamova stay next year's team, the setter will be Naz, which i do not think Gamova prefers. Cengiz Candar's comments that Gamova is a world-class player and she wants to be in the final four next year.

My opinion is (if these comments are true) Gamova has every right to think like that because what moved the championship cup from Fenerbahce to Bergamo is the quality difference between Merlo and Nihan, and Bianco and Drixx (or Naz).

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I have just heard from a conversation on Fenerbahce TV (Cengiz Çandar's informal knowledge within the Fenerbahce Acibadem) that Gamova asks the club managers about the next year's setters. Because Turkish Volleball Federation wants to limit the number of foreign players in the Turkish leauge (2 in the field and 2 in the bench). So, If Natasha Osmokrovic and Gamova stay next year's team, the setter will be Naz, which i do not think Gamova prefers. Cengiz Candar's comments that Gamova is a world-class player and she wants to be in the final four next year.

My opinion is (if these comments are true) Gamova has every right to think like that because what moved the championship cup from Fenerbahce to Bergamo is the quality difference between Merlo and Nihan, and Bianco and Drixx (or Naz).

Gamova lost with Krillova too. If Fenerbahce sets the team as Gamova's wishes then we must rename the team as Fenerbahce Gamova not Fenerbahce Acibadem. You cannot outperform the teams like Bergamo as long as you depend on only one player's performance. If Gamova leaves, Fenerbahce would have a chance to use Seda in her real place and can make a combined OH or libero transfer.

Slightly off topic, but Fenerbahce is very close to championship in turkish leaugues, for women volleyball, men's volleyball, women basketball, men's basketball, and of course football. In all of them, Fenerbahce will play for championship in european champion's leauge, next year

Cannes uniform isn't nice.sweat is absorbed by it and the tendency it gets soak in awkward areas,

Mehmet Ali AYDINLAR the boss of ACIBADEM said that this weekend probably Gamova will sign to Fenerbahçe for 2 years

Taht`s why Gamova asks about setter.Because of your world star Naz who with she does not want to play. The star which is sitting on the bench. And she is better than Dirickx and Oksana)))))))))
And nobody told that Fener wanted to keep Oksana. But it was really like this. JUst Jan de Brandt did not want because he wanted his own setter Diricx.
And he told he did not want Oksana because Oksana was doing that she thought is right. Not the things which coach told. Because she is real leader and takes the match to her own shoulders.
And she made her team champion. And when you say that Naz showed that she is better I just wanna die of laughing. Last year Naz playd against Oksana in the FInal and she lost to OKsana which you don`t like and which was awarded as the BEST SETTER! Not only in Turkey,but this year in Russia too. But i think you think that you know much better than coaches of Dinamo,Novara,Jesi,Murcia and other teams which want to transfer Oksana every year. And much more than legend Nikoai Karpol who says that Oksana is agreat universal setter!Yes,i see you are just wonderful volleyball person! I think this year many clubs will take advice from you and your friends when they build a team.
By the way I forgot to say,you all and all were telling that all of three cups are yours and at the end i can congratulate with all these three cups)))! Remember,you can not not to respect others. And person is nobody to say something so seriously.There is GOD which knows what will happen.All of these guys in this forum were tired of your unrespectable comments. I think t will be very good lesson for you!!! Look more,learn more but speak less!
And you go and stay with your high level star Naz on the Bench!
Don`t touch Oksana,ok!
And just learn to accept right comments. We are not here to fight against one another! If I speak about game of Naz it does not mean that you have to attack on Oksana`s game. THe thread is about champions league and at this moment about finals. Oksana is not here,Naz was Dirickx was. We are spaeking about them,ok?

First I am really sorry for the users on this forum. I dont want to get into a personal discussion but I have to write that.

"Jan de Brandt Oksanaya teklifinde de onu Avrupaya asil, lige ise yedekte tutacagini bildirmishti. Tabii ki kendine guvenen pasor,ozellikle de Oksana gibi lider ve takiminin kaptani olan pasor buna razi olamazdi."

This message posted on a Turkish forum belongs to you, right? And it means Jan De Brandt asked Oksana that stay with us, you will be the first setter of my team in European games. But your mighty, self-confident captain Oksana couldnt accept to become a subtitue in local games so she refused Fenerbahce.

But the truth is that Fenerbahce and Dirickx had negotiated long before the 2009 play-off final series completed. I mean Dirickx already accepted Fenerbahce's offer when Oksana was still playing for Fenerbahce. Because Oksana was not included in the trainer's next season plans on that moment. So how is it posible Fenerbahce asked Oksana stay with us? And how is it possible Oksana turned down Fenerbahce's offer although she really wanted to stay in Turkey because her lover (statistic officer of Fenerbahce) was still working in Turkey? It is really weird. Ha? So you are now calling Turkish users on this forum liars? This is just one example of your lies which you write everywhere and try to manipulate people as if these really happened.

It's just a rumor that Gamova asks who will be the setter next season. Even if it's true, it doesnt matter. We have seen Gamova lost with superb setters who were perfect for her playing style before. And she cannot blame the setters for losing. Gamova was perfect while winning and it comes to losing, all is setters' fault? This is volleyball a game based on many players, not tennis that depends only one person's performance. Fenerbahce lost not because setters' faults, it's because the team was not enough to win including Gamova and all the stuff in overall.

I didnt show any disgusting behaviour against any user on this forum so look at yourself before telling other people the way how they should behave.

By the way, yes Naz was mostly on the bench while 2010 CL F4 but where were your incredibly outstanding setter Oksana? I havent seen her anywhere on the hall not even on the bench. Oh, sorry. I just forgot she was resting in Russia, I guess. Right?

So I will not try to explain you the realities in the real world. I have to write many books to persuade your unnatural mind but I have no time for that as because I am not immortal.

Anyway I am apologizing for all the users on the forum again. This subject is off for me from that moment on. I am not gonna reply back your histeric posts.

Actually i think that Naz is better than Frauke...and i think that Gamova before talking about setters should try to put down the balls in crucial moments...and if it wasn't for Osmokrovic probably the final would end 3:0 for Bergamo...i think that Naz is an amazing player and she deserves to play not to stay in the bench...anyway grandissima Bergamo!

Thanks for that great post Alde. We were like bored as hell in Turkish forum too because of that man, you know that. And personally i don't have any energy to explain and discuss some vollleyball with him. In fact that's not possible to be in an actual conversation with him too. So i really do have great respect for you how you're still trying to explain that man something:)

For the first I will say that nobody has any laws to disscuss something other about volleyball players except their games. I think nobody likes that somebody stranger talks about his life. And if you have talked about Oksana`s lover in Fenerbahche then let me say that if Oksana wanted to stay there she could stay because not only Fener but also Eczaci was trying to get her. And Oksana`s lover left Fener to Dinamo together with Oksana Parkhomenko,my dear "friend". I have to say that it is really very good resting as you say-Oksana won Russian cup and Regular championship in Russia. And was awarded as the best setter of Cup and MVP of the All star match! Nice rest-wish everybody to rest so.This is another text. If you wanna know why does Oksana left Turkish league then read this interviews to Russian press which I found on extratime.az .In the first one she wrote " In Fenerbaxche I spent nice season and became a champion suprising most of the people.But after finishing the league Fener`s bosses were telling me that they count on me,but signing of the contract was cancelled several times. But why to remember about it. I am very happy that now i am a player of such a ambitious club like Dinamo" http://extratime.az/article.php?aid=9085 And this part Oksana told to sport-express of Russia. Why she prefers Russia to Turkey. - Не торопитесь с выводами. На самом деле конкуренция в России на порядок выше. Чтобы защитить прошлогодний титул, "Динамо" мало не расслабляться - нужно все время добавлять. Например, в скорости игры, над чем мы сейчас напряженно работаем. В суперлиге ты все время чувствуешь, как растет твое мастерство. Про турецкий чемпионат такого сказать не могу. Do not rush to make coclusion. In fact,competition in Russia is much higher than in Turkey,Dinamo can not relax if they want to keep last titul,you have to work hard on it-for example on the speed of game. In the Russian Superleagu you always feel how growing up your skills,what I can not say about Turkish league." You are crying out everywhere that you have the best league,but as the person who wathces matches of your championship can say that Turkish league has only 4 teams of good level.You know why-beacuse your local players are not high level players,but in the league of Russia,Italy and Poland you may see many champios of the world,european and olimpic games among the local players. Rest of the teams are quite low level teams. These are Fener,VGSTT,Eczaci and Galatasray. Watching other matches you fell like you are watching first division matches of Russian league. And Fener crushes all of the three teams 3-0. Vakifbank had been crushed by Italian league 8th team,Eczacibashi by 3 years European old team Rabita Baku and Galatasary outclassed by the Belgian team about which I have never heard on high level. When I told that I think Vakifbank is not stronger team to win Novara,you called me that i don`t understand anything,but at the end we saw the result.When I was told that I think Rabita can win,you told noooo Rabita has no chance and Eczaci will win with closed eyes.The result we saw. You were telling that Galatasaray has no competitor on that cup we saw the result. And when I told that Bergamo is the complete team and i think they are the best you called me enemy and we saw the result! Of course we are all people,we can be wrong,but not all of us and everytime.Fenerbahce`s second place is one of the best successes,but because of your predictable posts i write it like this. Bergamo is the BEST-real BEST!!! And you all say that you have the best teams and ALL of THREE CUPS are yours! I have never seen that any of Italian,Russian or Polish fans say that we are best,but in fact they are really the best!!! You know why,because it is politeness,respect to the others! Their teams win every year and everywhere,but i have never heard that. And yes,that`s good,of course you can support your team,but not making others being nervous with your unrespectable posts and you have to take riight as right. And when somebody is wrong you don`t have to go on opposite attack. As the civil people we have head,mind and if we are here we have to discuss,not to fight,putting here everything just to be the best.
And don`t think that i am writing this because i feel jealous,I know that the level of Azeri league is worse than Turkish league. And there are some world stars in your league. Azeri league-is not the text of this post.
I am writing all of these as a volley fan which lives with volleyball.
And when you speak with somebody don`t use bad words, be quite attentively,i can use them too.But we are not outside,we are in the forum and have to know we are not alone here. Speaking in volley language.
At the end I would like to say sorry to the other users,maybe some one did not like something. Anyway,everybody knows WHAT is WHAT.
Thanks!

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If Naz was better she would play.
Naz did not use her chances.

Chances?Who give her chances?Funny.She has no chance.Coz she stayed in bench
all year.Noone waited a huge performance from Naz in F4.Jan De Brant used Frauke mostly.But Naz plays much better than Frauke.Better blocker and defencer.Frauke is weaker than Gamova in defence FBA really no need Dirickx next year.

Shabovta, You're out from Turkish forum, but your work apparently hasn't finished yet. Still trying to manipulate us. What you were discussing with alde is about the setters of FBA, the harmony with Gamova and the ex-setter Oksana. So how did that subject became about comparing Turkish league, with Italian, Russian,Vgstt and all the other stuff. That man answered you about Oksana, then you answer back without losing the main point! Or are you holding a public demonstration?

And it seems you're stucked on that topic we told like Turkish league is better than Italian league, bla bla bla. Who told you that? Cause if that man exists he is insane or not a volleyball fan at all. But you keep bringing that argument almost everywhere. Look i'm telling you again i don't think any Turkish volleyball fan thinks that way, but if there is a one or more you can't generalize this for all the Turkish people. But as much as i can see you're hearing what you want to hear. And all of your business is with Turkish people, That is so obvious, how you bringing that topic when you were talking about Oksana trying to jump another subjects, all you wanna do is manipulate the subject when you got stucked and dont have a place to go, you just wanna change the way how the conservation goes. And after all you showed us in our forum too, i don't know why but you have a problem with us and all you wanna do is disgrace us!

I wrote in your forum what i have written here. And they have banned me,not to see the truth,just could not take the truth about all.
I am the last on ewho was banned in that forum. Before three Azeri guys were banned there on your forum and wanna say that two of them were girls. And the reason was the same. Ok,i am wrong,another wrong,third one wrong,just you are right. I really wanna say that I am dissapionted in you and not only me.You show yourselves quite nice and polite here,but we know how you can say bulshit,bad words to one anothers`s adress on oyur forum. Galatasaray`s fan to fener`s,Eczaci`s to Vakif`s. And very very bad words.
And let me say here he began to write about Oksana,not me. I wrote about Naz and Diricx! Ok?
The man can be baneed if he uses such words like you use to another one,not when he says the truth. But i see you can tell everything and will not be banned because you are local and we are strangers.
I am telling one more time,i wrote the same adn they were deleted and i was banned.
You are so respectable that you say tell Oksana to come to Turkey,we need somebody to clean the court,it it respect? And you are waiting for somebody`s respect??? I did not have any problems with you,opposoitely i have many person with who i have nice relationship,and wanna say that most of them are not in your forum too. Because you banned them and even them selves don`t want to be there. Even some of you say that when our Azeri friends say something you attack on them.we say what we see and nothing more.
I am one more time sorry for this posts,Justyna and other friends. But i could not put it without answer.
So,i am telling you,the ones who want to continiue this talk,my mail adress is ilgar_azeri@mail.ru write there.
Here is forum and the thread is champions league!

You're talking about the thread is champs league but you're the one always leaving the thread at first place, You're the one brining the subject to Turkish people to us and to the other crap talks. Where did that comparison between Turkish and Italian league come from? That was me or somebody else but you?
Yeah I am agree with you about the cleaning court thing, that was disrespectful, but you're reflecting yourself like you didnt tell him anything before he told this to you, you provocated that person at first place too!!

And again about the three Azeri members, The Volley1 one is your close friend i suppose, and the other Mamadova one, we dont have common opinions but i have too much respect to her, cause she stood for her opinions and tried to discuss the situation as a reasonable human being, and we've made a nice conversation with full of logic. It doesn't has to be something common to talk about, it's just important to be in a conversation without provocation, not like you were doing before that man told you that Oksana floor thing. Maybe he was wrong but anyway you also deserve too much credit for going him that insane talking with you.
And i know Mamadova hasn't banned, if she has then i'm sorry and thats a wrong decision for me again..
And then again trust me our forum is so much peacefull without you, and especially without Volley1. Right now nobody claims Starovic is a better opposite than Gamova:) and the best opposite all over world:) So i know Mamadova( Türkan i guess) hasnt written since that incident happened, but my request to you please let her know she is always welcome there in our forum, and if i would have the authority i would consider your situation too but as a result thats not a mortal issue, not for you and us, maybe some day you'll find some reason to respect us, but until that day i don't have nice feelings for you!

Volley was joking of course,and we all know that these two players are not comparerable,even if i like Starovic. But Gamova is Gamova.
I told i dont wanna continue this talk here and if you want write to my mail. That`s all!
And believe me,i never wanted it to be like this. Because i really like many several guys from there which are very respectable and der\serve the best words. Even with you i did not have any problems,Saybia.
Anyway i am not the person who likes to be in weak realtionship with the people.Sorry for Turkish,but there is nothing bad. You may ask Saybia too.

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Edited by Justyna: We writing here only in english. If you want talk only with one person you can use PM

Sorry folks about that discussion sort of argument:) If that was really annoying for you i apologize, and i assure there were not any rude or bad words included both of us, have a nice day to everyone..

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Edited by Justyna: as above

Fenerbahce wants to win CL next year. How to do that --> how to defeat Bergamo? Their weakest point is the reception, so in my opinion Fenerbahce needs a better libero (Gülden?) and a second high quality-receiver (outside-hitter) next to Osmokrovic. The current libero is far too weak and Seda is not a good receiver as well. If Gamova continues, the question is what to do with Seda....Further I think Naz deserves a chance in starting-6 (7).

Naz - Gamova
Osmokrovic - new OH
Eda - Cigdem
new libero (Gülden?)