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serdar

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921

Friday, April 7th 2017, 11:34pm

Best offensive OHs will be in final four with Zhu, Kosheleva and DLC. It is such a pity not to have KYK there and see big 4 all playing against each other :hit: :box: Besides the setter position, Conegliano does not have any player that can match with other 3 teams :down: Even Volero deserved to be there instead of them :wall:

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922

Friday, April 7th 2017, 11:52pm

I think De Gennaro and De Kruijf are at a level to match the other teams also

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923

Saturday, April 8th 2017, 1:35am

I agree Serdar, dissappointing with these rules still. I'm more excited to watch Fenerbahce - Dinamo Moscow semi final than Connegliano - Dinamo Moscow semis which I won't probably watch at all. The only way for Connegliano to pass Moscow is to serve insane and don't let DLC score, leaving Goncharova alone in the score sheet.
I think Volero should invest some money on finding a world class setter if they wanna go to F4 at all. Last year it was Zivkovic, then they transferred Nilay for a short while which was a big question mark and this year they had Fabiola. With all my respect to her, I really think Fabiola has decent technique but she is not a setter that makes the difference. Among the top 4 teams now, Moscow has the most boring setter probably but they don't need a creative one either. Though, Volero could certainly benefit from a faster game. It will be fun to see this team having someone like Alisha Glass or Tomkom and replacing Carcases with Mihajlovic.

924

Saturday, April 8th 2017, 2:34am

i think beating Conegliano at home is not that easy..Conegliano is a good team.yes the other teams have world-class players but Conegliano has good players and "good players" can play better than world-class players in some matches . as if we were talking about Dresden..they are not Dresden they are a good team..(first on the rankings in Italy)
Italian teams are good at block-defence if served well then they can give a hard time to the strongest teams even can beat them
meso mi ra se beno...

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925

Saturday, April 8th 2017, 6:55am

I would say Moscow is a favorite over Conegliano, but after Pomi won over Kazan, I think anything can happen, and I have a feeling Conegliano just might pull a upset again, and especially if Robin plays. Someone said Ortolani is bench, but of course she is not, if she plays as OP Faucett will be on the bench, if she plays OH, Bricio will be on the bench ( or Robisnon, because Bricio has been playing better). And I would say Ortonali`s performance will be critical for them, just like Picinini`s was last season.

I think would be more fair to have Conegliano facing Vakfibank. Once they bought the ticket to the semi-final, I don`t get why they will face the weakest of the 3 semifinalist. Moscow is really strong, but on the paper the other 2 are a bit stronger.


ZHu vs Boskovic. Hard to think that either of them will have a bad night, but if one of them for some reason is not having a good game, that alone can decides who wins the game. But assuming both of them will be on fire as usual, Kosheleva and Sloetjes could be the deciding factor.
I would love to see Rasic playing, but after what happened with Thaisa, I only want to see Rasic playing if she`s 100% recovered ( same goes for Robin).

I want Vitra to win, but Zhu really worries me. She played well at the CWCH semi-final, but that was her first tournament with the team and she was not used to playing with them. But now a few months later, I`m sure she won`t want to loose another semi-final, which means, even if nobody is playing well, she could very much go on her beast mood and carry the whole team on her shoulders. :box: .

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927

Saturday, April 8th 2017, 10:27am

if i formed a team i would choose KYK amongst KYK,Zhu and Boşkoviç..Zhu and Boşkoviç are great attackers for sure but KYK does it with passing at the same time...its really hard job
Zhu doesnt pass all the the time..imagine Zhu and Boşkoviç were constant passers..how would their offensive performance be ? Kosheleva is a good example..she with passing and without passing is two different player!
i like ZHu and Boşko is my favourite Serbian NT player together with Raşiç.
meso mi ra se beno...

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Sunday, April 9th 2017, 12:02am

Best Score

1 - Brakocevic - 208 points
2 - Boskovic - 206
3 - Ozsoy - 195
4 - Horka - 179
5 - Gomcharova - 171
6 - Malykh - 158
7 - Olesia - 154
8 - Kosheleva - 148
9 - Zhu - 147
10 - Sloetjes - 139


Blocker


1 - Orlova - 42 blocks
2 - Poljak - 39
3 - Gansczyk - 39
4 - Gendel - 39
5 - Hasanova - 29
6 - Kruijf - 29
7 - Rasic - 29
8 - Thaisa - 29
9 - Adams - 27
10 - Brakocevic - 23


Server


1 - Boskovic - 26 aces
2 - Larson - 20
3 - Adams - 20
4 - Brakocevic - 17
5 - Chaplina - 15
6 - Hill - 14
7 - Paszek - 13
8 - Gendel - 13
9 - Lozo - 12
10 - Monnakmae - 12

Receiver


1 - Rabadzhieva
2 - Mammadova
3 - Orge
4 - Aykac
5 - Parubets
6 - Popovic
7 - Paszek
8 - Kovadora
9 - Markevich
10- Lozo

Setter


1 - Woloz
2- Naz
3- Dilik
4 - Surtseva
5 - Weiss
6 - Ferretti
7 - Ognjenovic
8 - Tomkom
9 - Malinov
10 - Novotni-Kasic

Spiker


1 - Brakocevic - 168 spikes
2 - Boskovic - 165
3 - Ozsoy - 163
4 - Horka - 162
5 - Goncharova - 154
6 - Malykh - 139
7 - Olesia - 137
8 - Kosheleva - 125
9 - Zhu - 122
10 - Sloetjes - 121








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929

Sunday, April 9th 2017, 12:09am

My MVP is Brakocevic, she even outplayed Boskovic and Zhu. She`s best score, best spiker, 4th server, 10th Blocker.

And Zhu only scored 8 points more than Sloetjes.

930

Sunday, April 9th 2017, 12:47am

Adams is considered weak blocker, yet she's in the best 10 ahead of some 'great blockers' as Poljak, Fetisova, Eda etc

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931

Sunday, April 9th 2017, 1:08am

You must have missed Poljak is 2nd place :whistle:

Fetisova is 11th, but this includes the qualifiers ECZ played as well. If we look at blocks/set, Fetisova is ahead of Adams

Adams is not a weak blocker, she is good, but I don't think she blocks as well as those players

932

Sunday, April 9th 2017, 1:16am

best three servers from Vitra ,interesting!!
meso mi ra se beno...

933

Sunday, April 9th 2017, 1:20am

You must have missed Poljak is 2nd place :whistle:

Fetisova is 11th, but this includes the qualifiers ECZ played as well. If we look at blocks/set, Fetisova is ahead of Adams

Adams is not a weak blocker, she is good, but I don't think she blocks as well as those players


Yup :gone: I agree blocking is not her strongest feature.. She was earlier dissed a lot here, that's why I mentioned it..

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934

Sunday, April 9th 2017, 1:30am

You must have missed Poljak is 2nd place :whistle:

Fetisova is 11th, but this includes the qualifiers ECZ played as well. If we look at blocks/set, Fetisova is ahead of Adams

Adams is not a weak blocker, she is good, but I don't think she blocks as well as those players


Yup :gone: I agree blocking is not her strongest feature.. She was earlier dissed a lot here, that's why I mentioned it..
Yeah, I know. It's all good :thumbup:

Setter rankings are a bit weird, I think you can only really tell how good a setter is playing by watching the match. I'm sure most in here would agree that Wolosz has not been the best :what:

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935

Sunday, April 9th 2017, 2:41am

And also some people talking so much about Volero. And saying Foluke is the only World Class Player on the team, but Foluke is not even among the best players. They will blame her attacking on Fabiola/Zikvovic, but they can`t blame her non block and serve on them.

And their " Mediocre" players that should be replaced....

Best Reciever - Rabadzhieva
2nd - Mammadova
6th - Popovic

Best Blocker - Orlova

7th score - Olesia.
7th spiker - Olesia.

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936

Sunday, April 9th 2017, 3:03am

Setter rankings are a bit weird, I think you can only really tell how good a setter is playing by watching the match. I'm sure most in here would agree that Wolosz has not been the best


Sorry for my ignorance. Concretely, how they rank Setters? What parameters or statistic data they use to evaluate them?

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937

Sunday, April 9th 2017, 3:21am

For CEV competitions it is based on how the attacker performs after the set.

Basically it is (successful attacks - blocked attacks - attack errors)/total balls set. So for example, 95 of Wolosz's sets have been spiked successfully, 8 have been blocked and 7 have led to errors. She has set 179 balls in total.

Put that into the formula: (95-8-7)/179 = 44.69%

For FIVB competitions it is based on how many running sets they do, which is an even worse way of measuring. Hope that helps!

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Sunday, April 9th 2017, 4:02am

OK thanks for your explanation :).

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939

Sunday, April 9th 2017, 8:01am

about Volero Zürich - quo vadis ?

There were some articles in the Swiss press at last, hinting, that Volero might cease as serious CL contender next season. Volero owner Stav Jacobi (a native Russian and successful entrepeneur in Switzerland) is currently ill because of all the pressure around, very frustrated because of never getting further than playoff-6 (the fourth time in a row they didn't make it to the final four), because it is really expensive for him financially (he can't get much support by other sponsors due to non-ideal conditions regarding weak Swiss league and short CL period) and sees no great perspective regarding sports. One of the issues is, they have too seldom hard matches and are not perfectly prepared when playing some the best teams of Europe in the phase of decisions in CL. Jacobi considers to reduce resources and regroup with younger players the team, no more intending to win the CL title or at least a medal therefore. He told too, that so far no official invitation to Russian superleague was received (I'm pretty sure, it will come, but should ASAP, it seems). Also some formerly strong teams, which were cooperating with Volero the last years, have either decayed (Cannes) or even ceased to exist (Omsk) as leagues like Azerbeidchan, wich has weakened a lot and reduced also chances to exchange good players.

Would Volero give up, the top teams of Istanbul, Russia and Italy would be on their own in future in the playoff-6 and as host, maybe Chemik POLICE from Poland could attend them at this stage, but no other teams or countries, I think. For me coming from the Bundesliga competitions, the fifth strongest league in Europe also due to 2018 European cups rankings, the performance of Volero was most impressive the last years and far beyond, what any German team is capable to do nowadays. I would really regret a retrieval from their currently competetive state.

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940

Sunday, April 9th 2017, 10:07am

And also some people talking so much about Volero. And saying Foluke is the only World Class Player on the team, but Foluke is not even among the best players. They will blame her attacking on Fabiola/Zikvovic, but they can`t blame her non block and serve on them.

And their " Mediocre" players that should be replaced....

Best Reciever - Rabadzhieva
2nd - Mammadova
6th - Popovic

Best Blocker - Orlova

7th score - Olesia.
7th spiker - Olesia.


What the hell are you talking about?
Foluke has never been a great blocker, everyone knows that, and with Karch her blocking abilities even declined.. Both in Volero and the USA NT she's basically used as second OPP on the slide.. meaning she gets set even when the reception is bad, and often has 2 blockers in front.. Also knowing the setters, it's not strange she's not on top of her game.. Being a bad server? If something improved under Karch's guidance it was her serve.. She really is serving tough, maybe not clear aces, but gets the opponent out of system.. You wanna say Rachael is a better server than her? Because she's on the list and I think Adams is a very inconsistent server..

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