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StefanS

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941

Sunday, April 9th 2017, 8:01am

about Volero Zürich - quo vadis ?

There were some articles in the Swiss press at last, hinting, that Volero might cease as serious CL contender next season. Volero owner Stav Jacobi (a native Russian and successful entrepeneur in Switzerland) is currently ill because of all the pressure around, very frustrated because of never getting further than playoff-6 (the fourth time in a row they didn't make it to the final four), because it is really expensive for him financially (he can't get much support by other sponsors due to non-ideal conditions regarding weak Swiss league and short CL period) and sees no great perspective regarding sports. One of the issues is, they have too seldom hard matches and are not perfectly prepared when playing some the best teams of Europe in the phase of decisions in CL. Jacobi considers to reduce resources and regroup with younger players the team, no more intending to win the CL title or at least a medal therefore. He told too, that so far no official invitation to Russian superleague was received (I'm pretty sure, it will come, but should ASAP, it seems). Also some formerly strong teams, which were cooperating with Volero the last years, have either decayed (Cannes) or even ceased to exist (Omsk) as leagues like Azerbeidchan, wich has weakened a lot and reduced also chances to exchange good players.

Would Volero give up, the top teams of Istanbul, Russia and Italy would be on their own in future in the playoff-6 and as host, maybe Chemik POLICE from Poland could attend them at this stage, but no other teams or countries, I think. For me coming from the Bundesliga competitions, the fifth strongest league in Europe also due to 2018 European cups rankings, the performance of Volero was most impressive the last years and far beyond, what any German team is capable to do nowadays. I would really regret a retrieval from their currently competetive state.

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942

Sunday, April 9th 2017, 10:07am

And also some people talking so much about Volero. And saying Foluke is the only World Class Player on the team, but Foluke is not even among the best players. They will blame her attacking on Fabiola/Zikvovic, but they can`t blame her non block and serve on them.

And their " Mediocre" players that should be replaced....

Best Reciever - Rabadzhieva
2nd - Mammadova
6th - Popovic

Best Blocker - Orlova

7th score - Olesia.
7th spiker - Olesia.


What the hell are you talking about?
Foluke has never been a great blocker, everyone knows that, and with Karch her blocking abilities even declined.. Both in Volero and the USA NT she's basically used as second OPP on the slide.. meaning she gets set even when the reception is bad, and often has 2 blockers in front.. Also knowing the setters, it's not strange she's not on top of her game.. Being a bad server? If something improved under Karch's guidance it was her serve.. She really is serving tough, maybe not clear aces, but gets the opponent out of system.. You wanna say Rachael is a better server than her? Because she's on the list and I think Adams is a very inconsistent server..

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Sunday, April 9th 2017, 12:12pm

First of all I want to say that I'm very proud that Maja Poljak is second best blocker, She is again proving that She is still one of the best blockers in World after so many years.


When you look how many money does Volero has, they don't have so good team overall.

If they want OHs who will only recive great and be great in defence they should transfer L. Bosetti, She is like second libero. That means that I wouldn't have Rabadzhieva. Bosetti would be perfect for Volero because they use MB(s) a lot.
Secondly I would transfer other MB who can score a lot like Foluke and that is for sure Gibbemeyer or Jovana. They are great attackers and great blockers.
Then they need stable OH who can recive good and who can spike great, I'm not sure Rabadzhieva is great attacker ?( , and that can be Gabi from Brazil.
I'm not sure about setter positon. Zivkovic didn't play that bad but still if Volero is that rich than thay should transfer better setter. I don't want to say Lloyd because it would look like I want transfer whole Pomi team in Volero, but still I think she would be perfect for them. :lol:


I think Volero should keep Foluke and Olesia.
This is how would my Volero look:


Olesia-Lloyd
Bosetti-Gabi
Gibbemeyer-Foluke
Popovic




And one more thing, I don't think Rabadzhieva is bad player, she is very good player but She needs to become more aggressive in attack. Also Orlova is not that bad but their is so many MBs. But I repeat, Volero is rich club so they can transfer better players. Bosetti is not better than Rabadzieva but She is perfect for team who play fast and have great MB attackers.

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944

Sunday, April 9th 2017, 1:04pm

On this list you can also ad Alisha Glass if She is coming back next season and you can also ad Stefana Veljkovi or Jack from Galatasaray...

945

Sunday, April 9th 2017, 9:45pm

Oh @Crovolley
are you joking?
Bosetti and Gabi in the same team as two 175 cm OHs :lol:
can you imagine how they would block ?
wait
Leo as setter..what about her ? or Takeshita (if she hadn retired)

edit : as OPP Brazilian Monique ..
meso mi ra se beno...

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946

Sunday, April 9th 2017, 10:00pm

Oh @Crovolley
are you joking?
Bosetti and Gabi in the same team as two 175 cm OHs :lol:
can you imagine how they would block ?
wait
Leo as setter..what about her ? or Takeshita (if she hadn retired)

I'm not saying I agree but in order to capitalize on the strengths of Foluke then you need good receivers. Opposites can just hit in the pipe anyway.

Mine would be like this though:

Natalia-Fabiola/Glass
Foluke-Gibbemeyer
Gabi/Rabadzhieva/Carcaces
Honestly though, why would top players go to swiss league anyway?!?

947

Sunday, April 9th 2017, 10:06pm

Oh @Crovolley
are you joking?
Bosetti and Gabi in the same team as two 175 cm OHs :lol:
can you imagine how they would block ?
wait
Leo as setter..what about her ? or Takeshita (if she hadn retired)

I'm not saying I agree but in order to capitalize on the strengths of Foluke then you need good receivers. Opposites can just hit in the pipe anyway.

Mine would be like this though:

Natalia-Fabiola/Glass
Foluke-Gibbemeyer
Gabi/Rabadzhieva/Carcaces
Honestly though, why would top players go to swiss league anyway?!?

this roster is better :thumbsup:
meso mi ra se beno...

948

Sunday, April 9th 2017, 10:14pm

I don't agree with one thing @crovolley said.. First of all, Volero team that uses MBs a lot? Are you joking? Orlova can hardly hit a ball, and their setters - Zivkovic, Fabiola, Grbac (in the past) are not very popular among the setters who run the MBs well.. Also tranfering Bosetti to pass? Rabadzhieva has been passing well enough, and she has been doing it just with the libero, 2 receiving system..there is no need to replace her.. Orlova is doing a very good job blocking, although she is very weak in attack, but Foluke on the other hand is blocking nothing..
Volero has been trying to make a great team to win the CL and they only needed a world class setter.. which they got - Antonijevic, but sadly she got injured and rest is history.. I really like them, and I'm very sad they can't pass season after season.. They need a better setter and a passing libero IMO.. The team is overall pretty strong.. I must say much deeper bench than Vakif, Moscow, Fener

949

Sunday, April 9th 2017, 10:17pm

Oh @Crovolley
are you joking?
Bosetti and Gabi in the same team as two 175 cm OHs :lol:
can you imagine how they would block ?
wait
Leo as setter..what about her ? or Takeshita (if she hadn retired)

I'm not saying I agree but in order to capitalize on the strengths of Foluke then you need good receivers. Opposites can just hit in the pipe anyway.

Mine would be like this though:

Natalia-Fabiola/Glass
Foluke-Gibbemeyer
Gabi/Rabadzhieva/Carcaces
Honestly though, why would top players go to swiss league anyway?!?

this roster is better :thumbsup:


It's a really good balance of attack and defense which is probably Volero's problem since time immemorial. Against top teams, defense is the key. Attack is second.

You can have all the nicest stats individually but team chemistry is different. You need a team that works and could stabilize itself under the worst conditions in order to win trophies(international trophies I mean.)

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950

Monday, April 10th 2017, 12:33am

Best Score

1 - Brakocevic - 208 points
2 - Boskovic - 206
3 - Ozsoy - 195
4 - Horka - 179
5 - Gomcharova - 171
6 - Malykh - 158
7 - Olesia - 154
8 - Kosheleva - 148
9 - Zhu - 147
10 - Sloetjes - 139


Blocker


1 - Orlova - 42 blocks
2 - Poljak - 39
3 - Gansczyk - 39
4 - Gendel - 39
5 - Hasanova - 29
6 - Kruijf - 29
7 - Rasic - 29
8 - Thaisa - 29
9 - Adams - 27
10 - Brakocevic - 23


Server


1 - Boskovic - 26 aces
2 - Larson - 20
3 - Adams - 20
4 - Brakocevic - 17
5 - Chaplina - 15
6 - Hill - 14
7 - Paszek - 13
8 - Gendel - 13
9 - Lozo - 12
10 - Monnakmae - 12

Receiver


1 - Rabadzhieva
2 - Mammadova
3 - Orge
4 - Aykac
5 - Parubets
6 - Popovic
7 - Paszek
8 - Kovadora
9 - Markevich
10- Lozo

Setter


1 - Woloz
2- Naz
3- Dilik
4 - Surtseva
5 - Weiss
6 - Ferretti
7 - Ognjenovic
8 - Tomkom
9 - Malinov
10 - Novotni-Kasic

Spiker


1 - Brakocevic - 168 spikes
2 - Boskovic - 165
3 - Ozsoy - 163
4 - Horka - 162
5 - Goncharova - 154
6 - Malykh - 139
7 - Olesia - 137
8 - Kosheleva - 125
9 - Zhu - 122
10 - Sloetjes - 121









This list does not have any value at all! If you want to evaluate the performance of players based on stats, you should check point/set statistics. The reason that most of players from Modena are high on the list is simply that they played more sets. :rolleyes:

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Monday, April 10th 2017, 12:36am

I don't understand why Natalia or Gibbemeyer would play in Switerzland since they will clearly have so much better proposals next year.
That said, I don't know why Akinradewo is still playing there.

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952

Monday, April 10th 2017, 12:37am

I think De Gennaro and De Kruijf are at a level to match the other teams also

You are about De Gennaro, I forget to mention about her. However, I do not agree with you about De Kruijf. She is great attacker but awful blocker. To me the principal role of an MB is blocking, that's why Robin just a good attacking MB but she can't be compared to Poljak, Fetisova, Rasic, Kübra, Adams, Thaisa :whistle:

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953

Monday, April 10th 2017, 1:18am

I think De Gennaro and De Kruijf are at a level to match the other teams also

You are about De Gennaro, I forget to mention about her. However, I do not agree with you about De Kruijf. She is great attacker but awful blocker. To me the principal role of an MB is blocking, that's why Robin just a good attacking MB but she can't be compared to Poljak, Fetisova, Rasic, Kübra, Adams, Thaisa :whistle:
I agree with you in a way. For a team like Dinamo, the MBs are not used a lot so their role in the team is mainly to block so Poljak and Fetisova are perfect for this and De Kruijf would be a bad player for this team. Conegliano play a quick game and use the MBs a lot, they really make good use of De Kruijf's attacking skills so much that Robin is their top scorer in Serie A1 this year. For players like her and Akinradewo I think attack is just as important as blocking

954

Tuesday, April 11th 2017, 8:49pm

I don't trust Kosianenko. She can really be sloppy with her decisions. That could really benefit Conegliano.

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955

Tuesday, April 11th 2017, 10:03pm

@usavolleyfan
They use a lot Foluke (maybe I should writte in singularly not in the plural) and why they don't use Orlova more ? Because She is average attacker, if they have great attacking MB like Gibbemeyer/Stefanovic or Veljkovic.. than they would use them most of them, when they can ofc. And they can make way easier for other players.
And if they would transfer someone like Lloyd than She would for sure them like crazy.

I wouldn't only transfer Bosetti because of reception, main reason is because of her defence... Bosetti is perfect in defence better than some liberos. That is something what was missing to Volero this season.

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956

Tuesday, April 11th 2017, 10:12pm

I'm not saying I agree but in order to capitalize on the strengths of Foluke then you need good receivers. Opposites can just hit in the pipe anyway.

Mine would be like this though:

Natalia-Fabiola/Glass
Foluke-Gibbemeyer
Gabi/Rabadzhieva/Carcaces
Honestly though, why would top players go to swiss league anyway?!?
Oh @Crovolley
are you joking?
Bosetti and Gabi in the same team as two 175 cm OHs :lol:
can you imagine how they would block ?
wait
Leo as setter..what about her ? or Takeshita (if she hadn retired)

edit : as OPP Brazilian Monique ..
Bosetti is very good blocker, She can jump very high. If you are asking about her blocking than you probably haven't watch her in Pomi.. And I wouldn't let Olesiago(Natalia over her ? LOL) She is great OPP...
Pomi don't have tall OH and they are doing just fine, why ? because of strong MBs and strong OPP with Gabi(way better than Tirozzi) who is very good attacker and defensive player, and Olesia who is better than Fabris, then for Volero would look like upgraded Pomi.

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957

Tuesday, April 11th 2017, 11:03pm

Bosetti is very good blocker, She can jump very high.

Absolutely true!

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958

Wednesday, April 12th 2017, 12:38am

Blocking skills has nothing to do with height.

Gabi can block. Just watch the games Rexona vs Minas, and you can see she can even block Hooker. And for example in the last game, Hooker scored 20 points, but she got blocked a bunch of times. And Rexona is a super short team, Gabi 1.80, Monique 1.79, Carol 1.83, Juciely 1.84.

In the Club Championship, Rasic and Carol were the 2 highest blockers with 25 each., while Rasic is 1.93, Carol is only 1.83.

Rahimova is 1.98 and she even gets blocked in Japan.

Blocking is a skill that sometimes has a lot to do with strategy.

959

Wednesday, April 12th 2017, 1:31am

of course blocking has to do with hight..to say it has nothing to do with height is unreal..gabi and bosetti might jump high but this is about block height/block reach again and it requires extra energy for short players to jumg higher.
this doesnt mean all the tall players are good blockers
takeşita had once blocked gamova .lol but nearly all the attackers got thousands of points over her..

you have to have some hight to reach/touch the balls of those high jumping players

shorter players can be good blockers too but generally all MBs are tall you know

i dont object to blocking is connected to team strategy as well
meso mi ra se beno...

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Canter" (Apr 12th 2017, 1:37am)


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960

Wednesday, April 12th 2017, 1:38am

That block Takeshita on Gamova was epic :box:

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