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Sunday, January 14th 2018, 12:08am

Vilsbiburg - Aachen 3:0 (25:19 25:23 25:19)
http://live.volleyball-bundesliga.de/2017-18/Women/2053.pdf
MVP: Lena Stigrot / Jeanine Stoeten

VCO Berlin - Potsdam 0:3 (20:25 14:25 21:25)
http://live.volleyball-bundesliga.de/2017-18/Women/2202.pdf
MVP: Josepha Bock / Antonia Stautz

Stuttgart - Suhl 3:1 (17:25 25:18 25:22 25:21)
http://live.volleyball-bundesliga.de/2017-18/Women/2052.pdf
MVP: Nika Daalderop / Krista DeGeest

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Sunday, January 14th 2018, 10:33am

Some newspapers refer to a planned quota for German players currently: for example Suhl would become immediately illegal when introduced, because there is currently NONE German player in the available roster (Claudia Steger, the German captain, is out for the whole season due to injury), i.e. they would get no license for the first league anymore at all. This is an old issue especially with Suhl, where hardly ever more than 2 Germans were in its roster. But also for Stuttgart this would be tricky now, while possible, even with only one required currently either Pia Kästner or Julia Schäfer would be necessarily on court. IMHO such a rule doesn't make much sense, if not at least two Germans have to be on court for each team at any time, by the way. And this shakes already very strongly the conditions for the Bundesliga teams. - In a few months the results of the working group in this regard should be published.

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Sunday, January 14th 2018, 9:12pm

Some newspapers refer to a planned quota for German players currently:

any source?

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Sunday, January 14th 2018, 9:21pm

Münster - Dresden 1:3 (17:25 18:25 25:22 19:25)
http://live.volleyball-bundesliga.de/2017-18/Women/2055.pdf
MVP: Lina Alsmeier / Mareen Apitz

VCO Berlin - Schwerin 0:3 (19:25 11:25 8:25)
http://live.volleyball-bundesliga.de/2017-18/Women/2210.pdf
MVP: Josepha Bock / Elisa Lohmann
Jennifer Geerties with 10 aces and Beta Dumancic with 9 :white: VCO is simply pathetic :aww: The idea of the project was good once upon a time, but in the last years most of the players there didn't reach top level, and also from the current team there are only very few girls that seem talented (Agbortabi, Skinner).

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Sunday, January 14th 2018, 9:28pm

MVP in Berlin at VCO was Josepha Bock

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Sunday, January 14th 2018, 9:33pm

MVP in Berlin at VCO was Josepha Bock
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Sunday, January 14th 2018, 10:28pm

Some newspapers refer to a planned quota for German players currently:

any source?


It is announced in the VBL master plan (long version) and sometimes referred to like in this article from Berlin:

https://www.morgenpost.de/sport/br-volle…eys-werden.html

In the master plan the 30. June 2018 is mentioned as publishing date for the new rules regarding domestic players (it would be illegal due to Bosman sentence to directly limit (EU) foreigners). Because there are not too few two year player contracts, it is expected, that not before season 2019/2020 (if at all and not even later) the rule gets into power.

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Monday, January 15th 2018, 12:37am

it would be illegal due to Bosman sentence to directly limit (EU) foreigners).


On the question of whether this is illegal: look at Italy, where there are also self-restrictions of the league clubs with the aim of promoting domestic players.
Neither Stuttgart, nor Aachen, nor Suhl or Erfurt have a minimum number of at least 3 competitive German first league players. I see huge problems in the next years for the national team without extensive youth work in the lower-class clubs and corresponding competitive sports training in the youth teams. A self-obligation of the league clubs is necessary, but this can only be a component on this path.

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Monday, January 15th 2018, 1:26am

I hope Bundesliga stays the way it is now. Foreign limitations are just useless. Applying the new rule the VBL would just ruin the league now, that it made its way to be the third best league in Europe.

Germany is bridge between the players from USA and Netherlands and the top teams from Europe. There are many of the future star players there. It makes no sense trying to change it.

This is not the kind of change which makes things better for the NT. If Germany produces strong players, they will play, no matter what, in Bundesliga and even better league, like Grun, Roll, Pachale, Weiss and Furst did for years; if Germany won't produce strong players, they won't be playing in Bundesliga, that's it. This won't make the league better neighter: money and skills (of the clubs) do.
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Monday, January 15th 2018, 6:18am

There is a number of reasons, why we have relatively few domestic players in the league. Some of them DVV and VBL can influence, others not.

DVV sports director Christian Dünnes (until last season professionell player in the men's Bundesliga) stated, this league is the fourth best in Europe currently (Poland has weakened considerably the last few years, while this one strengthened or kept level in this time). Also Russia is definitely still better than us, against at least Kazan and Moscow our best teams Schwerin, Stuttgart and Dresden are still without chance.

The main issue for the lack of domestic players is definitely the lack of wide spread good professional education in this sports. In female area especially there is also rivalry with beach volleyball, which is more attractive nowadays for many girls - remember, that German women beach volleyball is currently leading the world even before Brazil and USA.

But we have only three federal bases for this sports in whole Germany with a mid-term perspective, because of the damaging intention to close one of them (most likely Münster due to financial reasons, despite their good work in the last years). IMHO we would need instead at least 8 such federal academies, to make this much more covering the demands.

Opposed for example to Italy most clubs here can't afford a high level education for young girls, and it is not about the number of girls in this age - this is in total higher in Germany as in Italy, not to speak about small countries like Serbia, where nearly every girl seems to be addressed in young age regarding volleyball.

The last years saw a strong tendency to hire foreigners to strengthen the rosters of the clubs. Indeed numerically they are mostly from USA and Netherlands, which share one reason: the level is just right, not too high and not too low for their purposes. Other reasons vary (USA: no (yet) established professionsal national league and most Germans speak English sufficiently well, Netherlands: too low budgets and quality of their DELA league, being neighbor country and ease with our language).

And I think, their is no other league with decent or top level in Europe (I count 7 currently: Turkey, Italy, Russia, Germany, Poland, Romania, France), which doesn't have either a tradition of forming enough domestic players for their league or having rules, which ensure enough domestic players on court (i.e. Poland and Italy) or both.

So this approach is definitely not unusual, but have to taken with care here. It can help a little bit, but is of course not the only measure to improve things here, also education area is addressed and proposals for it will come, hopefully for the better in future.

Prescribing three domestic players per team at any time on court like in Italy certainly would ruin the level of the league currently. More realistic, at least at introduction, is number of 1 or 2, I think. But we will see, what the working group will announce in summer.

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