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Saturday, February 10th 2018, 5:42pm

Look, you think she can't play with cis women, fine. I don't agree with that sentiment, but I don't expect everyone to think the same way I do as it's not really something realistic.

But saying Tifanny will never be 100% woman is extremely offensive. There are people killing themselves and being murdered, kicked out of their homes and being completely sidelined by society (who would have thought?!?) over not being accepted by people around them everyday and, to be fairly honest, behavior and "opinions" like these just add to the statistics. Calling people out on their bullshit like this is not censorship; it is being an actual decent human being.
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Saturday, February 10th 2018, 8:08pm

I find this a difficult one. I don't agree with people saying the players shouldn't speak about it, it is their profession and they can say what they like as long as they're not insulting which Tandara wasn't.

I fully understand why the players would think this is unfair but I don't see any other way of working. Tiffany has advantages that they never had but what is the other solution? Ban all trans players? That is even more unfair. She is a woman so she has to play with the women.

It's not as if Tiffany made the change so that she could become a star in women's volleyball. It's not as if this will lead to several men changing sex in order to play top-level sport. It's not as if Tiffany has totally ruined the game by being much better than everyone else because there are other players here better than she is IMO.

So while I understand some of the complaints, some of these comments are just horrible to see in the 21st century.

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Saturday, February 10th 2018, 8:50pm

But again, I won’t say anything more about it, I just can’t with this Tifanny case anymore.
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Saturday, February 10th 2018, 9:04pm

I find this a difficult one. I don't agree with people saying the players shouldn't speak about it, it is their profession and they can say what they like as long as they're not insulting which Tandara wasn't.

I fully understand why the players would think this is unfair but I don't see any other way of working. Tiffany has advantages that they never had but what is the other solution? Ban all trans players? That is even more unfair. She is a woman so she has to play with the women.

It's not as if Tiffany made the change so that she could become a star in women's volleyball. It's not as if this will lead to several men changing sex in order to play top-level sport. It's not as if Tiffany has totally ruined the game by being much better than everyone else because there are other players here better than she is IMO.

So while I understand some of the complaints, some of these comments are just horrible to see in the 21st century.


My point wasn't that players couldn't express their opinion, but maybe do a little research on the subject before giving interviews. When you have a professional in any field, and you without any knowledge try to say they are wrong, is bizarre to me.. It's the same as telling the doctor he shouldn't give you those pills and etc..

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Saturday, February 10th 2018, 9:46pm

My point wasn't that players couldn't express their opinion, but maybe do a little research on the subject before giving interviews. When you have a professional in any field, and you without any knowledge try to say they are wrong, is bizarre to me.. It's the same as telling the doctor he shouldn't give you those pills and etc..
Well Tandara did say she'd talked to team doctors and physiologists about it before making that statement. The science behind it does seem a bit unclear as there are professionals on both sides of the argument.

Anyway, I didn't come here to disrupt the thread. I was just checking the latest results and saw this debate. I can see that people want to move on from this topic so I will stop posting.

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Sunday, February 11th 2018, 12:31am

Tandara was clearly prepared to give the speech, very badly prepared by the way, because they did not instruct her well, since she does not know the difference between homophobia and transphobia, that alone invalidates much of her arguments.

If you're a public person, and does not really know how to talk about something, them you should read first, not go to the television arguing what you want or not from who has already decide about the thing, and please this is not a question of censorship.

And if you do not think it's a matter of disrespect, know that Tandara, who speaks in respect so many times during her speech, liked a post in the instagram where they called Tifanny "man of wigs". That's what this type of speech does, spreads misinformation, or things (value morals) that people deem relevant enough to decide whether or not she can play.


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Sunday, February 11th 2018, 3:33am

i don't need to tell anyone what my professional background is, but let's just say i know more about transgender persons than the average citizen.

it is not true that this matter was settled by IOC, fivb, or IAAF or whatever. it was not settled at all. look at the semenya affair (who is an intersex athlete not transgender, but similar issues apply). she was allowed to compete initially with almost no restrictions because there were no protocols as to how to deal with an athlete like her. she won the WCh in the women's 800 easily. later, they imposed a limit on how much testosterone her body could have, and (this is not publicly known because of patient privacy), she then had to take drugs to suppress her hormone levels (and even rumored to have either been told to, or actually underwent surgery). in that period, her times increased a lot and she almost disappeared from competition. after the dutee chand lawsuit, that's when the IAAF had to do away with the testosterone limit, and she was back to her best times again and won the gold in rio in 2016.

so, no, these matters have not been settled by the doctors and lawyers and all the big poo-bahs yet. there's more talk of further changes in the protocols and procedures and they may go back to imposing some limits again. whoever said this is settled, is sadly mistaken.

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Sunday, February 11th 2018, 3:35am

well, saishuu, what did you expect, it's crovolley. he sounds like a little petulant teenager.

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Thursday, February 15th 2018, 1:35pm

RETURN - 8th ROUND

02/07/18
E.C. Pinheiros 2x3 São Cristóvão Saúde/São Caetano
Pinheiros: Bruna (OPP) 22, Mari Cassemiro (OH) 17, Milka (MB) 15;
São Caetano: Sonaly (OH) 22, Fernanda Tomé (OH) 18, Sabrina (OPP) 12;
MVP: Camila Paracatu (MB)

Vôlei Bauru 1x3 SESC-RJ
Bauru: Tifanny (OPP) 20,Yoana Palácio (OH) 14, Valquíria (MB) 11 -5 blocks-;
Rio de Janeiro: Drussyla (OH) 20, Monique (OPP) 19, Gabi (OH) 13;
MVP: Drussyla (OH)

BRB/Brasília Võlei 1x3 Hinode/Barueri
Brasília: Malu (OPP) 20, Aline (MB) 17 -6 blocks-, Priscila (OH) 14;
Barueri: Suelle (OH) 18, Jaqueline (OH) 15 -5 blocks- Francynne (MB) 12;
MVP: Jaqueline (OH)

Fluminense F.C. 3x0 Renata Valinhos/Country
Fluminense: Renatinha (OPP) & Thaisinha (OH) 14, Michelle (OH) 8;
Valinhos: Natasha (OH) 7, Nayara (OH) 6, Vivian (MB) 4;
MVP: Sassá (L)

Camponesa/Minas 3x2 Vôlei Nestlé/Osasco video
Minas: Destinee Hooker (OPP) 24, Rosamaria (OH) 14, Carol Gattaz (MB) 13;
Osasco: Tandara (OPP) 39 -51%-, Nadja Ninkovic (MB) & Angela Leyva (OH) 7;
MVP: Destinee Hooker (OPP)
Tandara score 15 points in one set.

Dentil/Praia Clube 3x0 SESI-SP
Praia Clube: Fê Garay (OH) 18 -82%, Ellen (OH) 17 -75%-, Fabiana Claudino (MB) 8;
SESI: Dani Suco (MB) 6, Amábilie (OH) 5, Domingas (OPP) & Glayce (OH) 4;
MVP: Fê Garay (OH)

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