NEW: Swiss Volleyball League 2012/2013

That not exactly right, when you mention for "Sagres NUC". "Press released" link to archives "No" !!
You can find, since 2005/2006 every articles about "Sagres NUC" inside Newpaper or/and Regional TV. The way to follow is: http://www.nucvolleyball.ch/spip.php?rubrique15

Enjoy !!

quote='quimporte',index.php?page=Thread&postID=70659#post70659](work in progress)

VBC Voléro Zürich
Match results: Yes. On home page.
Match reports: Yes. On home page. Link to archive (not updated).
Advance notice home games: Yes. On home page.
Newsletters: Yes, on home page and link to archives (a single one till now).
Press releases: Yes (Tages Anzeiger). Link to archives (not updated).
Link: http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/sport/weitere/
This service was much better last season.
Press information: Yes. Link to archives.
Miscellaneous news: Yes. On home page.
Guestbook: Yes. On home page.
Downloadable seasonal magazine: No.

Volley Köniz
Match results: Yes. On home page.
Match reports: Yes. On home page. Inconsistent.
Advance notice home games: Yes. On home page.
Newsletters: Yes, on home page and link to archives (a single one till now).
Press releases: Yes (Berner Zeitung, Könizer Zeitung). Link to archives (not updated).
Link: http://www.bernerzeitung.ch/sport/weitere/
This service was a bit better last season.
Press information: Yes. Link to archives (not updated).
Miscellaneous news: Yes. On home page. Link to archives (not updated).
Guestbook: No.
Downloadable seasonal magazine: Yes. To be downloaded from home page (not updated).

Sagres Neuchâtel UC
Match results: Yes. On home page.
Match reports: No.
Advance notice home games: Yes. On home page.
Newsletters: No.
P ress releases: Yes (L’Express). Link to archives (not updated).
Link: http://www.arcinfo.ch/journal/sports/volley.html (restricted access)
Press information: No.
Miscellaneous news: Yes. On home page.
Guestbook: No.
Downloadable seasonal magazine: No.

VBC Cheseaux
Match results: Yes. On index page.
Match reports: No.
Advance notice home games: No.
Newsletters: No.
Press releases: Sometimes (24 Heures). Link to archives.
Link: http://www.24heures.ch/actu/sports
Press information: No.
Miscellaneous news: Yes. On index page.
Guestbook: No.
Downloadable seasonal magazine: No.

VC Kanti Schaffhausen
Match results: Yes. On home page.
Match reports: Yes (the coach’s point of view). Excellent.
Advance notice home games: Yes. On home page.
Newsletters: No.
Press releases: Yes (Schaffhauser Nachrichten). Link to archives.
Link: http://www2.shn.ch/?rub=news&page=sport
Press information: No.
Miscellaneous news: Yes. On home page.
Guestbook: No.
Downloadable seasonal magazine: No.

Sm’Aesch Pfeffingen
Match results: Yes. On home page.
Match reports: Yes. Links from home page to single reports.
Advance notice home games: Yes. On home page.
Newsletters: No.
Press releases: Yes (Basler Zeitung, Basellandschaftliche Zeitung). Link to archives.
Link: http://bazonline.ch/sport/weitere/ and http://www.basellandschaftlichezeitung.ch/sport/weitere
Press information: No.
Miscellaneous news: Yes. On home page.
Guestbook: Yes. Link from homepage.
Downloadable seasonal magazine: No.

VBC Biel-Bienne
Match results: No.
Match reports: No.
Advance notice home games: Yes. On home page.
Newsletters: No.
Press releases: No.
Press information: Yes. On home page.
Miscellaneous news: Yes. On home page.
Guestbook: No.
Downloadable seasonal magazine: Yes. To be downloaded from home page.

FKB Volley Düdingen
Match results: Yes. On home page.
Match reports: Yes. Link from homepage to archive.
Advance notice home games: Yes. On home page.
Newsletters: No.
Press releases: Yes (Freiburger Nachrichten). Link from home page to archive.
Link: http://www.freiburger-nachrich…tion=com_wrapper&Itemid=6
Press information: Yes. On home page.
Miscellaneous news: Yes. On home page.
Guestbook: No.
Downloadable seasonal magazine: Yes. To be downloaded from home page.

Hôtel Cristal VFM

Genève Volley[/quote]

Hi guys!

I know this forum is about Swiss Volleyball, but if you like Volleyball in general, take some time to discover this site:
http://www.volleywood.net

It's quite new, but has a lot of information (incl. videos) from top Volleyball all around the world.
Enjoy!

By the way, Japan is great with some exciting matches at 2010 FIVB Women's World Championship.
Here is a wrap up of day 2: http://www.fivb.org/viewPressR….asp?No=26724&Language=en

Good luck to all Swiss teams playing tonight!

And allez NUC Sunday in Franches!

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I can easily imagine that VBC Biel-Bienne (Voléro’s farm team) and VBC Voléro Zürich itself were drawing much hope from the arrival of the Belarussian Ekaterina Skrabatun in the Bernese team. But after Biel’s clear defeat to Genève Volley, it will need much more than an third foreign recruit to save VBC Biel-Bienne from relegation, i.e. not less than a miracle. That’s really bad news for Voléro that perhaps bet on the wrong horse as a priviledged strategic partner.

As you don't know anything about the Partnership between the two clubs how can you pretend it is bad News? VBC Biel-Bienne gives playing time to young talented Swiss Players like Dominica Jarotta (setter), Linda Kronenberg (OH/OP), Laura Unternährer (OH/OP), while other clubs like Düdingen, Schaffhausen, Köniz, VFM let some of their talented Swiss Players on the banch to get experience from watching some of the second class foreign players on the court?. This is probably more bad news for the Swiss Volleyball League and also for the National Team then the young Team from Biel-Bienne not winning a match so far. Working with young Swiss Players needs patience... Unfortunately a patience that some of the teams don't have....

well good job acy60, you brought it to the point, but there are always those guys who are still trying to cause trouble because the teams are not successful and than its the fault of the foreign players of the other teams....

Quote from acy60

I must partially agree with this comment, but I wish to say this in not entirely the club's fault either. Permit me to take my club as an example for this case study.

Genève Volley managed (still can't get over it) to get promoted to NLA with NO foreign players. But the difference between NLA and NLB is so big, that if we had kept the same team, we would be today last of the ranking and we would have received spankings from Volero, Köniz and others. Therefore, we talked it over with our girls. Of a team of 12 last year, only 6 agreed to go on with some extra practice every week, and physical work, etc. Of these, 2 are very young juniors that we feel have expectations in a 2 to 4 year span and therefore do not really count for this upcoming season. We promoted one girl from our second team, and are very happy to have her around as a substitute, even though I don't feel she actually has NLA level yet, especially since she is finishing a doctorate and is not as free as she would like. Nevertheless, as we are plagued by injuries, she has played quite a lot this season so far !

Furthermore, despite the fact that we have invested to promote our swiss players by helping them financially, they all have full time activities : either a job or studies. They can't practice during daytime, only on evenings. Therefore our foreign players (who can practice twice a day if we could find halls that were not in schools and therefore rentable...) don't get enough practice either.

This comes to say that the situation in NLA is now the following : there are less than 50 women in Switzerland with a really good playing level that can withstand NLA standards as the top teams have set them (Volero, Köniz). Perhaps not even 30... As there are 10 teams in NLA, that means that each can find about 3... Some have more (NUC, Schaffhausen), other less (VFM, Düdingen).

As of such, we'd love to have real professional swiss players as we have foreigners, but none have accepted to suspend studies or jobs to take the risk ! Furthermore, neither high school nor university in Geneva have programs enabling top sportsmen to have arrangements for schedules or exams, for instance. Which can sound unbelievable, but is unfortunately true.

So it's easy to critisize these teams, but actually, if they intend to manage a NLA volleyball team, they must think of it as a product in the marketing of the development of the sport in their region. At least, that's what we try to do. Our first team's promotion in NLA proves it to be correct : we have never in the past ten years received so many requests from beginners or non beginners to come and play in our junior or other senior teams. We even are thinking of starting a beginners group for adults - something I simply never heard of in the past 15 years.

This means that our club must strive to maintain and progress in NLA. It's our showcase, our number 1 promotion tool. It helps bringing good young players to the club who might have an opportunity to become future good NLA players in... 5 to 10 years. As of today, in our Under14 and Under12, we have identified three girls we think have a potential for NLA in the next 10 years. That is not enough - despite the fact that we have more than 40 youngsters in this age group in 2 different schools and more coming every year.

So you can be as patient as you wish - and yes, some teams do leave potentially good swiss players on the bench - but the main problem remains the stubborn fact that there are simply not enough young swiss players with a potential NLA level, for one, and when they come of age, most of them are not willing to sacrifice even temporarily their studies or their jobs to try and become real volleyball professional players.

So for me, the main question is : why ? How can we change this mentality ? And the biggest part of the answer is : school. Schools must change their habits and try and offer programs adapted for top sportsmen and women.

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I can understand what you write about your situation in Geneva which is not at all comparable to other parts of Switzerland. What I can not understand is that still the same stories are coming up (we hear this now for almost 10 years from the clubs):

- "and when they come of age, most of them are not willing to sacrifice even temporarily their studies or their jobs to try and become real volleyball professional players"

So let me make a little cas study here:

a) Professional Volleyball Players (the foreigners in our league)

Total Salary composed of:
- Minimum gross salary to be respected order to receive a work permit (lillte differences between the cantons)

- Transfer Fees (CEV or FIVB + Swiss Volley + Departing Federation + Agent)

- Flight Ticket (CO - CH - CO)

- All taxes due to the Swiss Gouverment

- AHV, Health Insurance, Professional Accident Insurance

- Appartment + Fourniture + TV +Internet

- Free Food (maybe)

- etc, etc

Any club respecting all Swiss laws will have to pay at least : 25'000 - 30'000.--- for a cheap foreign player for a 8 month contract.

B) Swiss Professional Players?

First question : Which club offers a Swiss Girl a contract between 25'000.-- - 30'000.---? Are you professional with this ?

Second question : Can you live from this money and live 10 years from Volleyball as a professonal?

This is less money that you can make by working as the "ESSO" gazoline Station without an particular education.

C) The Swiss Reality of the so called "Professional Contracts for Swiss Players"
"These remarks exclude the clubs of Voléro and probably also NUC"

- 7-8 Month contract (even with a contract over a period of 2-3 years). How should the player live the other 4 month?
- In the 4 summer month some players have to give back to the club : appartments, car etc.....
- No more possibility to use the cubs fitness Studio
- No practises offred by the club during the summer period (why should they? ... would be a big mistake, because then you have to pay the players....)

Reality:

- No money for the summer, no car, no appartment = go back an live with your parents for 4 month! Do crap jobs in the summer just to survive.....
- During the season, hardly enough money to survive and not enough to put something away

But the best:
- The clubs expect the player to come back in August and be in "big" shape....

So the real situation is, that exept maybe 1-2 clubs, no clubs offer real professional contracts to Swiss Players. So the opportunity to be a professional Volleyball Player aplies to mayebe 3-5 girls in the country.

This is the real problem.... Why should you let go your studies and stop working, if there is no real opportunity to live from your sport!

So the problem in my opinion are not the Schools, maybe the parent who say stop, or the girls that are just intelligent enough to understand that there is no real future.

This situation will only change the day we have several clubs offering professional contracts to Swiss Players....

I must partially agree with this comment, but I wish to say this in not entirely the club's fault either. Permit me to take my club as an example for this case study.

Genève Volley managed (still can't get over it) to get promoted to NLA with NO foreign players. But the difference between NLA and NLB is so big, that if we had kept the same team, we would be today last of the ranking and we would have received spankings from Volero, Köniz and others. Therefore, we talked it over with our girls. Of a team of 12 last year, only 6 agreed to go on with some extra practice every week, and physical work, etc. Of these, 2 are very young juniors that we feel have expectations in a 2 to 4 year span and therefore do not really count for this upcoming season. We promoted one girl from our second team, and are very happy to have her around as a substitute, even though I don't feel she actually has NLA level yet, especially since she is finishing a doctorate and is not as free as she would like. Nevertheless, as we are plagued by injuries, she has played quite a lot this season so far !

Furthermore, despite the fact that we have invested to promote our swiss players by helping them financially, they all have full time activities : either a job or studies. They can't practice during daytime, only on evenings. Therefore our foreign players (who can practice twice a day if we could find halls that were not in schools and therefore rentable...) don't get enough practice either.

This comes to say that the situation in NLA is now the following : there are less than 50 women in Switzerland with a really good playing level that can withstand NLA standards as the top teams have set them (Volero, Köniz). Perhaps not even 30... As there are 10 teams in NLA, that means that each can find about 3... Some have more (NUC, Schaffhausen), other less (VFM, Düdingen).

As of such, we'd love to have real professional swiss players as we have foreigners, but none have accepted to suspend studies or jobs to take the risk ! Furthermore, neither high school nor university in Geneva have programs enabling top sportsmen to have arrangements for schedules or exams, for instance. Which can sound unbelievable, but is unfortunately true.

So it's easy to critisize these teams, but actually, if they intend to manage a NLA volleyball team, they must think of it as a product in the marketing of the development of the sport in their region. At least, that's what we try to do. Our first team's promotion in NLA proves it to be correct : we have never in the past ten years received so many requests from beginners or non beginners to come and play in our junior or other senior teams. We even are thinking of starting a beginners group for adults - something I simply never heard of in the past 15 years.

This means that our club must strive to maintain and progress in NLA. It's our showcase, our number 1 promotion tool. It helps bringing good young players to the club who might have an opportunity to become future good NLA players in... 5 to 10 years. As of today, in our Under14 and Under12, we have identified three girls we think have a potential for NLA in the next 10 years. That is not enough - despite the fact that we have more than 40 youngsters in this age group in 2 different schools and more coming every year.

So you can be as patient as you wish - and yes, some teams do leave potentially good swiss players on the bench - but the main problem remains the stubborn fact that there are simply not enough young swiss players with a potential NLA level, for one, and when they come of age, most of them are not willing to sacrifice even temporarily their studies or their jobs to try and become real volleyball professional players.

So for me, the main question is : why ? How can we change this mentality ? And the biggest part of the answer is : school. Schools must change their habits and try and offer programs adapted for top sportsmen and women.

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Quimporte how are playing two sisters from USA? These with 2,02 m.