Olympic Games - London 2012 Women (qualification process)

  • Cuba - Thailand will be the first match tomorrow. If Cuba win or lose 2-3, SRB, JPN and KOR will qualify :whistle:


    not really, cause IF Serbia looses tomorrow, Japan pass them and they stay out top 3, so even If Thailland loose also, they quali as best Asian! :S Yes stupid rule!


    So Japan can quali If Thailand loses, but Serbia only quali If they win.

  • I am not going to be partial with the Asian Teams but Serbia had so many chances of having a ticket to London. Russia, too. But Russia was able to wither it down even without Sokolova and Tanya (who were deemed important for Russia by the rest of the community). Serbia has Braco, Rasic, and the best setter there is. Yet, they lost so many chances. :(

  • I am not going to be partial with the Asian Teams but Serbia had so many chances of having a ticket to London. Russia, too. But Russia was able to wither it down even without Sokolova and Tanya (who were deemed important for Russia by the rest of the community). Serbia has Braco, Rasic, and the best setter there is. Yet, they lost so many chances. :(


    but they are without 3 main OH, and Serbia dont have Artamonova or Goncharova to replace them.


    They were never given the chance to play any of the tournaments in good conditions physically. Japan, Thailand also have the same many chances as Serbia.....but could arrive this tournament with good time to prepare.


    I think Serbia could even have this team, If they at least had time to prepare for the World Quali, things could have been different.


    That things of injury and so on can happen of course.
    My only complain with all this is that the rule is different for different continents and I think this is unfair. If Asian had a continental quali before like everyone else, everyteam would arrive in same hard conditions at the World Quali, so everything would be decided "dairly" even If some are unlucky, like Serbia....but that was not the case, and there is something that really botters me...as you can see.. :lol:

  • People constantly say "well what if so-and-so were without there best hitter?" Injuries are part of any sport and you're only as good as the players you have on the floor. Molnar was never a superstar and Vesovic is definitely comparable. Malagurski has been injured for a long time that it's irrelevant to even compare her. Nikolic didn't play in the World Cup because she went early to club team and then arrived after the season injured. Brakocevic hasn't performed at the level she is expected. If Serbia loses against Japan tomorrow and are out of the top three they don't deserve it. This is their THIRD chance.


    How has Thailand had as many chances? This is their first and only opportunity to qualify!

  • People constantly say "well what if so-and-so were without there best hitter?" Injuries are part of any sport and you're only as good as the players you have on the floor. Molnar was never a superstar and Vesovic is definitely comparable. Malagurski has been injured for a long time that it's irrelevant to even compare her. Nikolic didn't play in the World Cup because she went early to club team and then arrived after the season injured. Brakocevic hasn't performed at the level she is expected. If Serbia loses against Japan tomorrow and are out of the top three they don't deserve it. This is their THIRD chance.


    How has Thailand had as many chances? This is their first and only opportunity to qualify!


    Well, they didnt qualify to World Cup, and who faults is that? Serbia did with way harder tournament. Asians had the same chances as europeans in that way. But the players from Europe had to play in a harder conditions in their continent (against more teams and better teams) and physicly is harder for them.


    Anyway, I agree with u that injury are part of it (though I still think that the calendar has big influence on it).


    Asia has a continental tournament, and a World tournament, so they have the same chances as any other team.


    The difference is that they had time to preprare well, other teams from other continentents have not, and I think that is unfair! I think everyone should have similar roads.


    Asia should have make a continental tournament two weeks before the world one like everyone else...and not have that time to prepare and arrive better shape then the others, I think that is the thing unfair about all this (and they not even had to travel that far away..hehe).


    In botter line, all continents had same time chances to qualify (that is 3, World Cup+Continental Quali+World Quali), the difference was time of preparation...and that is whats making the difference...and for me that is the problem of all this.

  • But you're beating a dead horse. Everyone already agrees that the rules are not ideal. However, that is not an excuse for Serbia's poor play. Russia isn't winning just because they're Russia, they're winning on the court and beating teams. All of their players played an extensive club season, EQT, and they seem fine. Serbia is not doing that.

  • But you're beating a dead horse. Everyone already agrees that the rules are not ideal. However, that is not an excuse for Serbia's poor play. Russia isn't winning just because they're Russia, they're winning on the court and beating teams. All of their players played an extensive club season, EQT, and they seem fine. Serbia is not doing that.


    So we should just accept the rule because It is already definitive, Im sorry, but Im not like that, I stand for what I believe is correct and fair, and I dont think this system is.


    And good for Russia that they could manage to win even If they are tired, that dont change the fact that they also had so little time to prepare while Asian team had that time....


    no matter how teams are playing I think the concept of it is wrong!


    Like I said before Im not against Asian Team, Im against FIVB letting such thing happen. Im against the fact that no one in FIVB stop to think, hey maybe this way is not cool...that is what anoys me.

  • have another point.


    Considering that this is an OG year, do you think that the teams could have prepared for this in advance? I have seen good performances during World Cup and World Championships. But not so during the qualifying tournaments.


    I know that "money" is good. But I think for an athlete, preparing for an OG is somewhat important. Why force yourself to join clubs that may give you "injuries" a year prior to OG when you can join the clubs right after OG and for three more years.




  • Asia didn’t have continental qualification. That’s why the best Asian team after Top 3 will get qualified. Before mention anything please check information first. :lol::lol::lol: So totally Asia has only this olympic qualification to qualify to London not like other continents.

  • Joana you´re right the rules could be better, but its not that big reason to play bad for that. The thing is that Russia played in fantastic shape this tournament even if they was playing in EQT and without some players. I dont understand why u keep going on and on with the statement of that its bad they had to play a tournament more because it makes them tired and all this...seriously, as it shows for Russia, it was only good for them to get matches and also Serbia is playing better now than then! I dont see the problem at all, if Serbia wouldnt played that 3 matches in EQT I guess they had played some friendly matches instead at this time. In my opinion, EQT was just a perfect build-up tournament for this, instead u can say, how fair is it that European teams get serious match training against best teams while the asians not played a competitive NT-match in like 7-8 months?

  • Asia didn’t have continental qualification. That’s why the best Asian team after Top 3 will get qualified. Before mention anything please check information first. :lol::lol::lol: So totally Asia has only this olympic qualification to qualify to London not like other continents.


    they do have a continental quali, It is just happenening same time as the World Quali. ;) so here stays my question, why best asian team quali as world quali and not as asian quali? ;)

  • Joana you´re right the rules could be better, but its not that big reason to play bad for that. The thing is that Russia played in fantastic shape this tournament even if they was playing in EQT and without some players. I dont understand why u keep going on and on with the statement of that its bad they had to play a tournament more because it makes them tired and all this...seriously, as it shows for Russia, it was only good for them to get matches and also Serbia is playing better now than then! I dont see the problem at all, if Serbia wouldnt played that 3 matches in EQT I guess they had played some friendly matches instead at this time. In my opinion, EQT was just a perfect build-up tournament for this, instead u can say, how fair is it that European teams get serious match training against best teams while the asians not played a competitive NT-match in like 7-8 months?


    I see your point, but playing friendly games is not the same as playing a tournament, day after day games mental stress and so on, with no rest, with no time to recover players..so If you think about It is pretty much different. At least that is my point of view. ;)


    Friendly games are one thing...game itself are other..specially such stress tournament as is a Olympic Qualification one..you can ask any players..


    anyway, I know Im stepping in same stone here...so Ill just stop with the discussion. ;) Everyone has their own beleives so..all cool. :drink: