2014 FIVB World Championship - Poland - 8/30

  • Norceca First Round Group G May 18-20


    POOL PLAY
    Panama 0-3 Honduras (26-28, 21-25, 20-25)
    El Salvador 3-0 Turks & Caicos (25-11, 25-8, 25-12)
    Panama 3-0 Turks & Caicos (25-8, 25-6, 25-15)
    El Salvador 2-3 Honduras (25-21, 33-31, 18-25, 14-25, 9-15)
    Honduras 3-0 Turks & Caicos (25-10, 25-14, 25-17)
    El Salvador 1-3 Panama (20-25, 25-23, 18-25, 20-25)


    FINAL STANDINGS
    1. Honduras, 13 pts
    2. Panama, 9 pts
    3. El Salvador, 8 pts
    4. Turks & Caicos, 0 pts
    Top 3 teams advanced to Second Round
    5 pts, 3-0 win
    4 pts, 3-1 win
    3 pts, 3-2 win
    2 pts, 2-3 loss
    1 pt, 1-3 loss
    0 pts, 0-3 loss

  • What is this country ?! :what:

    It isn't a country. It's Britain dependent terirtory like Puerto Rico is Ameircan dependent territory or Martinique is French dependent territory.

    Gold medal - World League 2013 Prediction Game
    Bronze medal - World League 2012 Prediction Game

  • source: http://siatkowka.przegladsport…artykul,146774,1,282.html

  • I like the idea of making a draw before advancing to a next phase, and it's a good opportunity for the relatively weak teams to play more against strong teams by making the pools bigger in the first phase :rolll: :rolll: More importantly, the fans should be the ones who will be cheering when the number of matches increase... :dance6:

    杨意不逢,抚凌云而自惜;钟期既遇,奏流水以何惭?

  • If you read the entire article, you can clearly predict the bottom line - whenever there is Italy involved, there are match-fixing scandals :D


    Now seriously, I was just joking with the sentence above, 12 games in a World Championship is too much in my opinion. I understand Poland is trying to create the ultimate system, maybe what they are suggesting right now is close enough, but still the number of games shouldn't be that high as the quality is what would be risked. I have always been in favour of the eliminations, no chance to do Math, maybe even 1/8-finals would be fine, but that's just my opinion.

  • If you read the entire article, you can clearly predict the bottom line - whenever there is Italy involved, there are match-fixing scandals :D


    Now seriously, I was just joking with the sentence above, 12 games in a World Championship is too much in my opinion. I understand Poland is trying to create the ultimate system, maybe what they are suggesting right now is close enough, but still the number of games shouldn't be that high as the quality is what would be risked. I have always been in favour of the eliminations, no chance to do Math, maybe even 1/8-finals would be fine, but that's just my opinion.


    It is not that high. The World League plays 12 matches over 6 weeks. That is the only guaranteed international competition on an annual basis.


    Olympics guarantee only 5, maybe 6, max 8. And that is every 4 years.


    Most of the international matches are played within your region. Even then it is only every two years, excluding Europe's qualifying rounds.

  • If you read the entire article, you can clearly predict the bottom line - whenever there is Italy involved, there are match-fixing scandals :D

    :rolll:


    You know, Italy has always been a mean opponent for us, there's much tension involved. Guess it is just tempting to snap back, even in a newspaper article :D


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    12 games in a World Championship is too much in my opinion. I understand Poland is trying to create the ultimate system, maybe what they are suggesting right now is close enough, but still the number of games shouldn't be that high as the quality is what would be risked.

    The idea of a cheating-free formula is one thing, but I sense that marketing considerations played a role here as well. I mean, being a true paradise for volleyball, Poland is the perfect country to 'use' for promoting the sport and making some extra money.

  • I can't see how even with this formula, cheating will be eliminated. Where there are combinators like some coaches and even former captains :D , there will always be calculations. The weak spot of this formula is the second round group stage, right before the 1/4 finals. The last match can decide whether you're 2nd or 3rd for example and if in the other group everything is clear, you can choose opponents. Ofc, this is just a possibility.


    The bad thing is that there is a thin line between calculations and one-match deciders. What do I mean - if we play an elimination phase from the beginning, there is no risk of calculations. But then luck plays a huge part - who's gonna be your opponent and if your opponent is weaker than you, plays the match of their lives, eliminates you and then loses 3:0(-15 -15 -15) in the next phase. So if we remove such risks, we have to set more matches which will let some calculations in the whole picture again. I don't believe how the calculations and "luck"("one-match deciders" is better said) both can be eliminated. They seem to be inversely proportional.

  • It is not that high. The World League plays 12 matches over 6 weeks. That is the only guaranteed international competition on an annual basis.


    Olympics guarantee only 5, maybe 6, max 8. And that is every 4 years.


    Most of the international matches are played within your region. Even then it is only every two years, excluding Europe's qualifying rounds.

    The World League is played for one and a half months (approximately) during the summer, so teams can be involved in 12 up to 16 games each. How does it fit to a two-week competition? I totally see your point, but still think 12 is way too much. triglav_kran is right, we can't avoid both the groups and the eliminations, I never said the tournament should only be with a knock-out stage. You mentioned "luck" as an argument to play only one elimination game versus some random opponent (you are right, you can't just lose one game and go home at a WCH), but I give you "exhaustion" as an argument in a 12-match competition where you are exhausted by the time you reach the semis or the medal games. Anyway, there is no perfect formula, but what I wanted to say, maybe I wasn't understood at first, is that the Olympic formula appeals to me the best. And I am far away from saying that you can't cheat there.

  • Even during the Olympic Games in London, where a draw before the quarterfinals was introduced, the Italians clearly wanted to "run into" Team USA. " Italiand wanted to run into Germany and fought for the win vs Bulgaria.

  • Curious what will Media say, when after draw after group phase in one Group will be Teams from 3rd and 4th places and next group from 1st and 2nd.

  • I think the draw would mean that they just decide then which group will be "attached" to which , and oherwise the rest will stay the same.


    So a team will not have the intention to be second in the group in order to avoid a strong team from an other group when they do not know yet against which group's teams they will have to play...(This is how I understand it.) So everything stays the same just you do not know till the last match finish in the group phase that the pool A will be joined with pool B or Pool C or pool D etc. So the draw is not for the teams but for the pools.


    So it can't happen that "one Group will be Teams from 3rd and 4th places and next group from 1st and 2nd"

    Born for Volleyball, lives from Volleyball, dies with Volleyball.


    "When somebody is just not an equal partner to have a conversation with, the best you can do is to ignore him." Done!

  • The World League is played for one and a half months (approximately) during the summer, so teams can be involved in 12 up to 16 games each. How does it fit to a two-week competition? I totally see your point, but still think 12 is way too much.

    WCH 2014 will be held from September 3 to 21. So, 19 days.


    source: http://www.s-w-o.pl/index.php/polskie-prezentacje-w-anaheim/

  • NORCECA Group F June 7-8, 2012 hosted in British Virgin Islands
    Pool Play
    Dominica 3-2 St. Kitts & Nevis (25-13, 19-25, 20-25, 25-20, 17-15)
    British Virgin Islands 3-0 Montserrat (25-14, 25-4, 25-14)
    Dominica 3-0 Montserrat (25-7, 25-4, 25-14)
    British Virgin Islands 0-3 St. Kitts & Nevis (11-25, 18-25, 11-25)
    St. Kitts & Nevis 3-0 Montserrat (25-18, 25-10, 25-15)
    British Virgin Islands 0-3 Dominica (16-25, 12-25, 20-25)


    End of Pool Play Ranking
    1. Dominica, 13 pts
    2. St. Kitts & Nevis, 12 pts
    3. British Virgin Islands, 5 pts
    4. Montserrat, 0 pts


    3RD PLACE
    British Virgin Islands 3-0 Montserrat (25-12, 25-10, 25-21)


    1ST PLACE
    Dominica 3-2 St. Kitts & Nevis (25-22, 19-25, 20-25, 25-23, 15-13)


    TEAMS ADVANCING TO SECOND ROUND
    1. Dominica
    2. St. Kitts & Nevis
    3. British Virgin Islands

  • NORCECA Group H July 27-29, 2012 hosted in Costa Rica
    Pool Play
    Guatemala 3-0 Nicaragua (25-19, 25-15, 25-18)
    Costa Rica 3-0 Belize (25-14, 25-18, 25-19)
    Guatemala 3-0 Belize (25-16, 25-10, 25-7)
    Costa Rica 3-0 Nicaragua (25-17, 25-21, 25-16)
    Belize 0-3 Nicaragua (15-25, 11-25, 24-26)
    Costa Rica 2-3 Guatemala (25-22, 20-25, 20-25, 25-18, 13-15)


    End of Pool Play Ranking
    1. Guatemala, 13 pts
    2. Costa Rica, 12 pts
    3. Nicaragua, 5 pts
    4. Belize, 0 pts


    TEAMS ADVANCING TO SECOND ROUND
    1. Guatemala
    2. Costa Rica
    3. Nicaragua

  • NORCECA Group D August 31-September 2, 2012 hosted in French St. Martin
    Pool Play
    French St. Martin 3-0 Bermuda (25-23, 25-23, 27-25)
    Dutch St. Maarten 0-3 Antigua & Barbuda (21-25, 26-28, 15-25)
    Dutch St. Maarten 1-3 Anguilla (25-18, 23-25, 17-25, 21-25)
    French St. Martin 1-3 Antigua & Barbuda (16-25, 25-21, 17-25, 16-25)
    Anguilla 2-3 Antigua & Barbuda (16-25, 25-14, 25-20, 13-25, 10-15)
    Dutch St. Maarten 3-1 Bermuda (25-18, 28-26, 21-25, 25-21)
    Bermuda 1-3 Antigua & Barbuda (23-25, 22-25, 25-23, 19-25)
    French St. Martin 3-1 Anguilla (25-23, 25-22, 23-25, 25-19)
    Bermuda 3-2 Anguilla (16-25, 16-25, 28-26, 26-24, 15-10)
    French St. Martin 3-1 Dutch St. Maarten (25-16, 20-25, 25-17, 21-25, 15-12)


    End of Pool Play Ranking (5,4,3,2,1,0 points system)
    1. Antigua & Barbuda, 17 pts
    2. French St. Martin, 13 pts
    3. Anguilla, 9 pts
    4. Dutch St. Maarten, 7 pts
    5. Bermuda, 4 pts


    TEAMS ADVANCING TO SECOND ROUND
    1. Antigua & Barbuda
    2. French St. Martin
    3. Anguilla

  • NORCECA Group E October 6-7, 2012 hosted in Cayman Islands
    Pool Play
    Cayman Islands 0-3 Suriname (16-25, 23-25, 13-25)
    Aruba 0-3 Barbados (10-25, 18-25, 14-25)
    Suriname 1-3 Barbados (21-25, 25-21, 22-25, 19-25)
    Cayman Islands 2-3 Aruba (17-25, 25-17, 25-23, 18-25, 10-15)
    Suriname 3-2 Aruba (25-19, 25-22, 22-25, 20-25, 15-9)
    Cayman Islands 0-3 Barbados (17-25, 14-25, 20-25)


    End of Pool Play Ranking (5,4,3,2,1,0 points system)
    1. Barbados, 14 pts
    2. Suriname, 9 pts
    3. Aruba, 5 pts
    4. Cayman Islands, 2 pts


    3RD PLACE
    Aruba 3-2 Cayman Islands (21-25, 25-20, 11-25, 25-16, 15-13)


    1ST PLACE
    Suriname 3-2 Barbados (25-22, 18-25, 15-25, 25-20, 15-12)


    TEAMS ADVANCING TO SECOND ROUND
    1. Suriname
    2. Barbados
    3. Aruba

  • NORCECA Group C November 3-4, 2012 hosted in Dominican Republic
    Pool Play
    Dominican Republic 3-0 Guadeloupe (25-12, 25-14, 25-10)
    US Virgin Islands 0-3 Haiti (23-25, 17-25, 13-25)
    US Virgin Islands 2-3 Guadeloupe (25-19, 17-25, 32-34, 25-20, 11-15)
    Dominican Republic 3-0 Haiti (25-15, 25-17, 25-15)
    Haiti 3-1 Guadeloupe (25-15, 20-25, 25-18, 25-15)
    Dominican Republic 3-0 US Virgin Islands (25-9, 25-12, 25-10)


    End of Pool Play Ranking (5,4,3,2,1,0 points system)
    1. Dominican Republic, 15 pts
    2. Haiti, 9 pts
    3. Guadeloupe, 4 pts
    4. US Virgin Islands, 2 pts


    3RD PLACE
    Guadeloupe 3-0 US Virgin Islands (25-23, 25-10, 25-20)


    1ST PLACE
    Dominican Republic 3-0 Haiti (25-14, 25-16, 25-21)


    TEAMS ADVANCING TO SECOND ROUND
    1. Dominican Republic
    2. Haiti
    3. Guadeloupe