World League 2013

  • Ok so I read the comments on the Brazilian Yahoo and was surprised that many of the commenters are actually siding with Spirik and told Rezende to suck it up :lol: . Chupa Rezende hehe :lol: They're also saying Rezende started it 'all' and that Rezende shouldnt favor his son and use William instead. And that Dante is 'old', Russia is better nowadays, calling someone mentally ill is a serious offense, the Rezendes only know how to pose and nothing more :rolll: , there are better players in Brazil not being selected.


    kabayan, OUCH! :lol:

  • kabayan, OUCH! :lol:

    Yeap, and saddest part that's all so true :S


    Here the team and Bernardinho has a lot of "haters" because of their bad and arrogant attitudes over the years.....


    And the hard criticism over them, specially over Bruninho/Bernardinho is back. Of course, not from the media, but from THE FANS.

  • Yeap, and saddest part that's all so true :S


    Here the team and Bernardinho has a lot of "haters" because of their bad and arrogant attitudes over the years.....


    And the hard criticism over them, specially over Bruninho/Bernardinho is back. Of course, not from the media, but from THE FANS.


    OIC, that's sad. :( :win: i do hope Bernardinho can change that.

  • I don't get the hate from the fans to be honest. I know the NT has a history of winning everything and there's pressure everytime, but they haven't achieved a significant win in a few years now, there's no need anymore to feel superior to everyone and be arrogant about it (and they don't, contrary to popular belief). And people should just quit with the "William > Bruno" talk, they're both equally good and Bruno even has a slight advantage in blocking.


    And it's needless to say Bernardo was wrong and had it coming. Spiridonov may be a huge douche on court (he is, as ladybugg illustrated above), but there's no need to offend him and say those things in public being in such a position as coach, no matter how hot-headed you are at the moment.

  • Ok so I read the comments on the Brazilian Yahoo and was surprised that many of the commenters are actually siding with Spirik and told Rezende to suck it up :lol: . Chupa Rezende hehe :lol: They're also saying Rezende started it 'all' and that Rezende shouldnt favor his son and use William instead. And that Dante is 'old', Russia is better nowadays, calling someone mentally ill is a serious offense, the Rezendes only know how to pose and nothing more :rolll: , there are better players in Brazil not being selected.



    I'd be very careful about drawing any serious conclusions from what Brazilian fans say when their team has lost a final. When he wins, he is hailed the God of volleyball, but when he loses its another story - its common for Brazilian fans to do this. Their comments though about Rezende's shouting are true - he needs to manage that better- his son has toned down a little bit now that he is captain because when he started playing in the team he was very vocal toward other teams.


    I also agree that Brazil has got many good players and should now have the depth that Russia has, considering pretty much all the national league players have also been playing in that league in the last season - so not having another reliable outside hitter, etc- that should not happen.


    On the other hand, Rezende's tactics do work - they nearly won the Olympics were it not for an inspired Muzerski - he is just unstoppable right now. Brazil's record shows that he knows what he is doing most of the time. Hopefully with Murillo and Sidao back, the team will be back to normal. I think Bruno is the best setter, with William a close second - and Bruno has done enough to show that he is not just there because of his father - he has earned his right. William should get more time - and this world league he did get more time.

  • Are people still attacking Rezende for supposed favoring his son, really? Personally I think they should stop, 'cause William hasn't shown anything amazing in his first year of playing for the national team. Maybe it's just because of debut or having no cooperation with another players, dunno, but there's no rational reason for saying, that Bruno is worse.

  • Russia soon will miss a lot their superhero - Tetyukhin. Pavlov won't always be able to put such a performance once they learn his style. He was new this tournament, but next? Russian reception also is not tested yet with these OH. We will see what will happen in Poland. I think Bella could get very happy this season :)

    Why me very happy? I'm trying to be optimist but not so much time to ECh for our guys to be from zero to hero. I would take blind any color of the medal.


    EDIT: Biryukov was a starter in 2011 when Russia beat Brazil for the gold. I gave a bad example initially. As I said, he is a bit better than Sivozhelez and I would choose them both along with Khtey for the ECH in September.

    Yeah, I'm totally waiting for Biryukov back in NT! As well as for Khtey.

  • ^ He's still playing in the Brazilian league. He actually just formed a new team for this next season called Moda/Maringá (Quiroga is also in this team).
    Ricardinho was flawless in early '00s. He's still considered to be a big part of what made Brazilian volleyball so good today.

  • no,he's not..

    You are talking about Yuri Berezhko. He somehow became a very defensive player after returning from Modena. Still needed on the court sometimes but not as a starter. Helped Zenit, alongside with Sivozhelez, to "progress" from the first place in 2012 to bronze in 2013. Moved from Zenit to Dinamo Krasnodar. He was struggling with injuries though after that season in Italy...

  • ^ He's still playing in the Brazilian league. He actually just formed a new team for this next season called Moda/Maringá (Quiroga is also in this team).
    Ricardinho was flawless in early '00s. He's still considered to be a big part of what made Brazilian volleyball so good today.

    If this is the one from the 2012 Olympic roster, I'm afraid to say, he looked seriously out-of-shape.


    Marlon was f-king amazing for Dinamo Krasnodar in 2012/13. Yes they kind of screwed up the season in the end but that wasn't Marlon's fault (both opposites were injuried at the time of the decisive games). He has lost some weight, started serving a tough spike-serve and made overall superb impression with his personality too. I think they even made him their captain - just to remind you, Lloy Ball was the only non-native speaker to captain a team in the Superleague so far. I've heard that Rezende had an issue with Marlon in the past. Could anyone confirm, please?


    An illustration:
    http://www.dinamokrasnodar.ru/…/team/men-team/956-marlon

  • If this is the one from the 2012 Olympic roster, I'm afraid to say, he looked seriously out-of-shape.


    Marlon was f-king amazing for Dinamo Krasnodar in 2012/13. Yes they kind of screwed up the season in the end but that wasn't Marlon's fault (both opposites were injuried at the time of the decisive games). He has lost some weight, started serving a tough spike-serve and made overall superb impression with his personality too. I think they even made him their captain - just to remind you, Lloy Ball was the only non-native speaker to captain a team in the Superleague so far. I've heard that Rezende had an issue with Marlon in the past. Could anyone confirm, please?


    An illustration:
    http://www.dinamokrasnodar.ru/…/team/men-team/956-marlon

    I completely agree; he does look out of shape. I don't think that's a big issue though.


    I also really like Marlon and heard wonders about him in Dinamo Krasnodar. Lots of good setters have played for Brazil in this last decade. There's also Marcelinho, who's nearing 40 years of age and is also performing tremendously well to this day. I think both had a beef with Bernardinho, but I don't know exactly what happened.

  • I think you're using the standard of traditional Russian OHs to assess the ones who played in this WL. You should compare Sivozhelez, Spiridonov and Zhilin with the OHs of the other teams. These Russian OHs are not great, but the ones in the other teams are even worse. A success rate of 37% is not high, but the best OHs in the other teams seem to only have ~40%. The coach may wanna experiment a bit on the platform of this commercial tournament, but at the same time, he might wanna get a fairly good result. These players are not that old, after all. With the international experience accumulated in the past 2-3 years, their best years should be awaiting them.

    I agree, one needs to look at the game when saying that 37% is very little. So, that was a 3-0 winning game against an opponent who gave up after the first set. The team was working well and the chap in question was spiking mainly against a single block and managed only 37%. At the same time, his team-mate (equally tall and quick, 5 years older) was facing two blocks and a decent libero and scored 20 out of 35 (57%). To me, Sivo classics was the end of the first set in the final, Russia's set-balls. On the 1st set point Lucarelli was saving a poor reception by cutting the ball along the net. A 14-year old girl would have picked this ball from position 4 but sadly Russia didn't have one. Instead, Russia had our good friend in the squad who managed to screw that up in his classical style :). My question was what he was thinking about. Does he not know that he should be positioned in defense so that he can see the ball between two antennae? Next point, Brazil serves, Sivozhelez spikes against one block (Bruno!). The result is a long rally where wee see Sivo spiking again (against Bruno-Lucas) to give Brazil a transition ball. Luckily for Russia, Lucarelli resolves the situation with a massive Sivozhelez-style spike straight into Muserskiy's block. To me, Lucarelli and Sivo were the heroes of that set but they just wore wrong jerseys. Sivo was doing his best to keep Brazil in play while Lucarelli's brilliance gave Russia three clear points to claim the set after Brazil was leading 22-21.


    Spiri (25), Sivo (26) and Zhilin (28) are not that old but actually not that young. None of the three is going to become a new Tetukhin, who was the main OH of the national team by that age. The problem here was that the fairly good result wasn't guaranteed (see my posts above) but at the same time there has been no chance given for younger players. Don't forget that Russia is a reigning world champion for both U21 and U19 at the moment, i.e. just on the paper, there should be plenty of equivalents of Atanasjevic, Ghafour and Lucarelli.

  • I'd be very careful about drawing any serious conclusions from what Brazilian fans say when their team has lost a final. When he wins, he is hailed the God of volleyball, but when he loses its another story - its common for Brazilian fans to do this. Their comments though about Rezende's shouting are true - he needs to manage that better- his son has toned down a little bit now that he is captain because when he started playing in the team he was very vocal toward other teams.


    I also agree that Brazil has got many good players and should now have the depth that Russia has, considering pretty much all the national league players have also been playing in that league in the last season - so not having another reliable outside hitter, etc- that should not happen.


    On the other hand, Rezende's tactics do work - they nearly won the Olympics were it not for an inspired Muzerski - he is just unstoppable right now. Brazil's record shows that he knows what he is doing most of the time. Hopefully with Murillo and Sidao back, the team will be back to normal. I think Bruno is the best setter, with William a close second - and Bruno has done enough to show that he is not just there because of his father - he has earned his right. William should get more time - and this world league he did get more time.

    I kind of agree but at the same time kind of not. One should ignore what the mass media is saying about Rezende as clearly he is an excellent coach, perhaps most decorated among the acting NT coaches. He is definitely smart, reads the game well, keeps things under control better than e.g. Russia coaches. Also, he has a proven track of introducing young players into the NT.


    But. Volleyball is a game that one can play with the same 8-10 players coached by the same guy for many years. This approach can be successful and the Netherlands NT from 1990s is a good example. At the same time, keeping things the same way for e.g. over 5 years sounds... just boring. Secondly, is there a person ready to take over from Rezende? I mean the NT coaching experience, for which the year 2013 could have been just ideal time. Like it was for Voronkov who has definitely learned a lot from this WL.

  • Ok so I read the comments on the Brazilian Yahoo and was surprised that many of the commenters are actually siding with Spirik and told Rezende to suck it up :lol: . Chupa Rezende hehe :lol: They're also saying Rezende started it 'all' and that Rezende shouldnt favor his son and use William instead. And that Dante is 'old', Russia is better nowadays, calling someone mentally ill is a serious offense, the Rezendes only know how to pose and nothing more :rolll: , there are better players in Brazil not being selected.


    This statement was valid a few years ago, when Rezende gave a lot of chances to Bruno and brought him to the Beijing Olympics. He's not that good at the moment. Redwitz and Raphael were better and more logical choices, and deserved more chances that what Rezende gave them. But since then, he's improved a lot, and 's now one of the best setters in the world. I'm definitely not a fan of Rezende, but all in all, no one could be completely fair. It's kinda understandable that he gave his son an extra hand and Bruno has now evolved to become a world-class setter.

  • I don't get the hate from the fans to be honest. I know the NT has a history of winning everything and there's pressure everytime, but they haven't achieved a significant win in a few years now, there's no need anymore to feel superior to everyone and be arrogant about it (and they don't, contrary to popular belief). And people should just quit with the "William > Bruno" talk, they're both equally good and Bruno even has a slight advantage in blocking.


    And it's needless to say Bernardo was wrong and had it coming. Spiridonov may be a huge douche on court (he is, as ladybugg illustrated above), but there's no need to offend him and say those things in public being in such a position as coach, no matter how hot-headed you are at the moment.


    Given that Rezende inappropriately commented Spiridonov as "having mental illnesses", Spiridonov is justified to call him "old schizophrenic". Rezende never acknowledges the attitude problem of himself and of the team -- keep arguing with the referee to make everyone believe that they're victims, and fake display of sportsmanship. He consistently verbally attacks other people contrariwise. Remember when he cheated in WCH 2010. When he was asked to comment on the team's action (playing to lose), he only criticized that Bulgaria kept Zhekov and Salparov out of the 12-player squad. Seriously, did Prandi and the Bulgarian team do anything wrong about this? They didn't have the right to let their backup setter and libero play?