Men's World Championship 2018

  • Can someone please send Lipe back home? His face is so effing annoying and his attitude on court is disgusting. This Brazilian team is killing the vibe. I tried so hard to like them but them seniors are a bunch of a*holes. Douglas and the libero are the only ones I tolerate and Isaac. And wtf is Evandro doing there? Isn't he like 40 or something? I thought Lipe is retiring. Maybe Lucarelli's absence made the coach call him back. Ugh.


    And Bruno has had enough, I guess.



    Lipe unfortunately is seen as a hero among (mostly casual) fans due to his block against Zaytsev that gave Brazil the gold in Rio, but yes, he is a horrible human being and should be miles away from court. I could at least tolerate this team slightly more had Lucarelli been with them, but his club money spoke louder to him.


    This team is ridiculously old. Lipe, Evandro, William, Éder, Lucão, as well as Bruno and Wallace to some extent... I try to be optimistic we could see new faces in a near future (Alan and Rodriguinho were right there), but oh well... at least there is Kadu who is like making his debut in the senior NT right during the WCH after almost two years out solely out of desperation from the staff due to all the injuries and their inability to let other younger people play more. lol

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  • Lipe unfortunately is seen as a hero among (mostly casual) fans due to his block against Zaytsev that gave Brazil the gold in Rio,

    What a coincidence, it's the same reason we don't exactly like him in Italy :P



    About Ita-Slo, I'm very happy for the victory and – after the first set – quite happy how we played.


    Finally we remember how to block, we dig quite a lot (even if we wasted few very good digs with silly mistakes from time to time – Giannelli digged everything), we served decently (Nelli in again, I hope sometimes it will actually bring us the point instead...).

    Special mention for Maruotti, who entered for a terrible Lanza (at least in attack and – as very often – in serve) and delivered very well.

    We struggled in reception, but on the other hand we didn't suffered many direct ace so we were often able to gain the point anyway. And Slovenia served very well imho (and his serve is another reason to keep Ropert in...)

  • Lipe unfortunately is seen as a hero among (mostly casual) fans due to his block against Zaytsev that gave Brazil the gold in Rio, but yes, he is a horrible human being and should be miles away from court. I could at least tolerate this team slightly more had Lucarelli been with them, but his club money spoke louder to him.


    This team is ridiculously old. Lipe, Evandro, William, Éder, Lucão, as well as Bruno and Wallace to some extent... I try to be optimistic we could see new faces in a near future (Alan and Rodriguinho were right there), but oh well... at least there is Kadu who is like making his debut in the senior NT right during the WCH after almost two years out solely out of desperation from the staff due to all the injuries and their inability to let other younger people play more. lol

    I have never liked him as a player. I was hoping to see Douglas-Lucarelli duo emerge this tournament but too bad it didn't happen.


    I don't know if Brazil going to be able to make it big in Tokyo. Practically every single top team has new faces on their roster and Brazil is stuck with the same player since Rio. Maybe the coaching staffs are just too afraid to make changes since these players are well known for being a diva. I won't mind Wallace. He is after all still Brazil's biggest weapon. But for the back up position, you thought that the tall black guy with amazing abilities will be there. But no. Effing Evandro is there. Isaac is a good prospect and I am glad he is there. I don't follow Men's Superliga that much but there have got to be so many other young players that can play at this level if they were to be given chances.

  • Gianelli, Kochanowski, Nishida are three of the youngsters that I have been looking forward to since VNL. And to my delight, they are not disappointing so far in this tournament.

  • Watching 2 matches at the same time is exhausting.||

    Try watching 4 at the same time, then we'll talk :D

    Russia and France's level dropped since VNL, or has the other teams' simply improved?

    There is something else that I want to point out. I mentioned at the tournament's start that it is common sometimes to start a bit "slower". It is a long event after all and you can't expose all your weapons and strength at the very beginning. That being said, I think France's level in general dropped a bit after 2017. They did fine at the VNL this year, but didn't have to travel much at all and suffered a heavy defeat in the final against Russia, probably the heaviest defeat they have suffered in a long while. Also, even during the greatest wins of 2015 and 2017, they played with an almost non-rotated, very well brought-together squad. Now they suffered some injuries, a normal drop of form, and opponents finding ways to beat them at times. So yes, it is normal for them not to be really dominating like they used to be in the past 2-3 seasons. However, they are very much alive and still have chances in this tournament, the real question is, obviously, whether Ngapeth and Boyer will endure the load.


    I didn't watch SRB-RUS and I can't say anything about the match or how both teams played. I am 100% sure Serbia did everything possible to beat Russia, a team they have often prevailed against, and gather points for the next round. I can't really say the same about Russia. Once again, this is just my opinion. I would also fancy the prospect of facing the Netherlands and Finland, and even the hosts Italy, the latter they can surely beat. I can't say Russia's level dropped since the VNL, what changed is that the starting setter is now gone, which might play a minor role (minor because they still have Butko) and that there's a 2-month gap between the two tournaments. I am sure we should see the real Russian team, the one from the VNL, in the final round. I get the feeling they didn't really need to win vs. Serbia 100%. How would you explain Grankin's appearance otherwise? 2 sets against Serbia did them just fine :) Sure, they didn't mean to lose against USA, but they might get a rematch soon.

    Exactly my thoughts! 3 wins for Russia and they will be through. I won't make a fuss about their defeat to Serbia.

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    Vital Heynen might not be the most likeable person or coach in the world, even from a neutral persepective, but one can't help but appreciate his values as a coach. All his teams, and I really mean all I have watched in recent years, club and NT, are known for great game organization, transition, tactical preparation, and then eventually overall performance. He can't always win, of course, but he manages to get pretty close even with some unbalanced or limited teams/players. Honestly, I haven't been impressed with the Polish team since 2014, but it is a joy to watch them now. I am not saying they will become World champions or they will now humiliate Serbia and France, Iran and Bulgaria didn't quite match their level in the first round, to be fair, but you can recognize Heynen's signature and their overall improvement when you watch them. They can make a small mistake in Pool H and still qualify, I am eager to find out how far they can go. And especially what Heynen will prepare against France.


    Take even Kurek's rejuvenation, if I may. To me, an overall overestimated player, Kurek seems different and fits Heynen's team well. He probably will be one of the reasons they won't become World champions, but at least he seems back to volleyball life and doesn't make stupid mistakes. For which we should again give credit to Heynen.

  • There is something else that I want to point out. I mentioned at the tournament's start that it is common sometimes to start a bit "slower". It is a long event after all and you can't expose all your weapons and strength at the very beginning.

    That's true in general and still might be this year, but – because of the formula – starting slow in this WCh can cost a lot (unlike in the OG, for example, where you can change everything in the quarterfinal).

    I mean, you can still managed to correct your mistakes, but it's a dangerous game ;)


    Still, I agree with you that Russia has very good chances to get to Turin, even with a loss (which I obviously hope will happen vs Italy :P)



    Anyway, I read on Dal15al25 that apparently they changed the rule: the best 2 second in general will go to Turin, not the best second "Italian" and the best second "Bulgarian".

  • What a coincidence, it's the same reason we don't exactly like him in Italy :P

    Cannot blame you. :lol:


    I am actually excited for the second leg of the tournament. There are lots of games which could be played as small finals due to their importance, most importantly Italy v. Russia and the duels between Poland, France and Serbia, which are arguably the most interesting. I believe the second best teams might come from both these groups, but depending on the results from pool H, Iran might have a fairly good chance too if they beat everyone but the USA at least.

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  • Anyway, I read on Dal15al25 that apparently they changed the rule: the best 2 second in general will go to Turin, not the best second "Italian" and the best second "Bulgarian".

    Yes so this means for Russia they have to win all their games and wait for the result of other teams in order to qualify but to be honest I think they have a slim chance of qualifying and in particular the match with Italy is nowhere an easy win if at all.

  • Someone thinks that only in Italy we knew the other rule (best "italian/bulgarian" second), while FIVB always said the same and it wasn't changed, what do you say about it?


    @incognito

    I didn't do the math myself, but it seems that as 'better italian second' Italy only needed to win vs Finland to go to Turin, while now it's not (unless lucky results in others pools).