Big 5 opposites have sense because all five of them are close to each other, and i cant really name 5 for all other positions, for me the top tier per each position would be pretty same as your list, just without few names that are not Tier1 IMO
s: Maja, Wolosz, Cansu
oh: Markova, Gabi, Arina, Ebrar, Zhu (but again Markova/Gabi are one level above others)
mb: Fahr, Zehra, Kurtagic, Kudiess, WYY (Jack is also there tbh)
l: Fersino, Kojima, MDG, Castillo
Big 5 opposites makes sense, because all these players are so (historically) impactful, on other positions you can e.g. replace Ognjenovic with Bechis and still eliminate top clubs if you're lucky, you wouldn't eliminate Fenerbahce if you put Ruddins in place of Antropova. Top opposites currently have historical impact, and much bigger impact individually than the best male players, their salaries are also bigger than the best males, at least in Europe. So it's quite interesting and unparalleled situation in general in this male-female discussions regarding sport, and worthy of its individual distinction.
On OH position for example, it's like big2, maybe big3 with Fedo, on other positions the level is so close, setting is much less important than in the past when you win major trophies by setting +70% balls to two players or +40% balls to one position like Vakifbank now or Italy at the WCH last season.
Big 5 opposites have sense because all five of them are close to each other, and i cant really name 5 for all other positions, for me the top tier per each position would be pretty same as your list, just without few names that are not Tier1 IMO
s: Maja, Wolosz, Cansu
oh: Markova, Gabi, Arina, Ebrar, Zhu (but again Markova/Gabi are one level above others)
mb: Fahr, Zehra, Kurtagic, Kudiess, WYY (Jack is also there tbh)
l: Fersino, Kojima, MDG, Castillo
I feel like it's easier to compare because opposites are also limited to offense for the most part. Performance of other positions fluctuate and they can be good in one aspect and not so in another.
Outsides: Markova, Gabi, Arina, Ebrar, Zhu
oh: Markova, Gabi, Arina, Ebrar, Zhu (but again Markova/Gabi are one level above others)
How about you 2 bigoted haters actaully include some proper MVP players?
You just can’t stomach that the greatest club from Turkey has won the most prestigious CEV Cup Trophy all alone by lone hero to whom such names as Arina and Ebrar who won nothing shall not be compared… jelous haters, I knew it.
If I must be honest I do think in terms of level of current play it might be a big 5 but I really do think Antropova and Vargas have quite a bit of catching up to do in winning before it’s not the big 3 still to me. (Antropova obviously won stuff last summer and while she had good performances it’s not the same as the other 3 for obvious reasons lol)
How about you 2 bigoted haters actaully include some proper MVP players?
You just can’t stomach that the greatest club from Turkey has won the most prestigious CEV Cup Trophy all alone by lone hero to whom such names as Arina and Ebrar who won nothing shall not be compared… jelous haters, I knew it.
Make your list who are you missing, honestly it's hard for me to make lists aside from Oop if it's purely objectively. OHs, MBs, Liberos, Setters will always have personal bias to some degree I think aside from MVPs like Markova.
If I must be honest I do think in terms of level of current play it might be a big 5 but I really do think Antropova and Vargas have quite a bit of catching up to do in winning before it’s not the big 3 still to me. (Antropova obviously won stuff last summer and while she had good performances it’s not the same as the other 3 for obvious reasons lol)
I can agree with this it's a big 5, which have similar performances and fluctuate throughout the years and seasons on being the best. However there is a big 3 and imo big 2 within that.
I would say Egonu-Boskovic are really hard to ignore as GOATs of this era. Haak is very good too, her NT might keep her from reaching top 2 success, but it is what it is. Vargas and Antropova are on the verge of breaking through, with Antropova being younger. But both need to win some major competitions to solidify themselves as GOATs even if this top 5 is very obvious level-wise. FB and Ecz have a bad record for this on club level though... But who knows.
I can agree with this it's a big 5, which have similar performances and fluctuate throughout the years and seasons on being the best. However there is a big 3 and imo big 2 within that.
I would say Egonu-Boskovic are really hard to ignore as GOATs of this era. Haak is very good too, her NT might keep her from reaching top 2 success, but it is what it is. Vargas and Antropova are on the verge of breaking through, with Antropova being younger. But both need to win some major competitions to solidify themselves as GOATs even if this top 5 is very obvious level-wise. FB and Ecz have a bad record for this on club level though... But who knows.
this is exactly how I feel yes
Make your list who are you missing, honestly it's hard for me to make lists aside from Oop if it's purely objectively. OHs, MBs, Liberos, Setters will always have personal bias to some degree I think aside from MVPs like Markova.
It was a joke, you didn’t get it 
If I must be honest I do think in terms of level of current play it might be a big 5 but I really do think Antropova and Vargas have quite a bit of catching up to do in winning before it’s not the big 3 still to me. (Antropova obviously won stuff last summer and while she had good performances it’s not the same as the other 3 for obvious reasons lol)
Wow love this level hypocrisy Madden, you never disappoint 🤦 boskovic won nothing until this season at club level and whenever this fact was brought up you always made excuses like club medals don't matter, it is all about NT bluh bluh to promote Boskovic. Now that she finally won two medals at club level, you belittle Vargas and Antropova because they didnt win CL????🤦 Vargas's achievements at NT level is all of a sudden doesn't matter, we forget haak didn't achieve anything at NT level but with your sick logic haak-egonu-bosko become all of a sudden one level above other two. Sometimes you really make me 🤮🤮🤮
Make your list who are you missing, honestly it's hard for me to make lists aside from Oop if it's purely objectively. OHs, MBs, Liberos, Setters will always have personal bias to some degree I think aside from MVPs like Markova.
Cofi was just being petty as always
Big 5 opposites makes sense, because all these players are so (historically) impactful, on other positions you can e.g. replace Ognjenovic with Bechis and still eliminate top clubs if you're lucky, you wouldn't eliminate Fenerbahce if you put Ruddins in place of Antropova. Top opposites currently have historical impact, and much bigger impact individually than the best male players, their salaries are also bigger than the best males, at least in Europe. So it's quite interesting and unparalleled situation in general in this male-female discussions regarding sport, and worthy of its individual distinction.
On OH position for example, it's like big2, maybe big3 with Fedo, on other positions the level is so close, setting is much less important than in the past when you win major trophies by setting +70% balls to two players or +40% balls to one position like Vakifbank now or Italy at the WCH last season.
I see this big5 not only their historical impact particularly to the game results but more like them being above the rest of the players on their positions. Actually that gap was closing by tolok's incredible season this year but her OH adventure next season, it's not gonna happen anymore.
There aren't many good setters anymore so the level difference between top 5-6 setters and rest are also getting a bigger gap.
Wow love this level hypocrisy Madden, you never disappoint 🤦 boskovic won nothing until this season at club level and whenever this fact was brought up you always made excuses like club medals don't matter, it is all about NT bluh bluh to promote Boskovic. Now that she finally won two medals at club level, you belittle Vargas and Antropova because they didnt win CL????🤦 Vargas's achievements at NT level is all of a sudden doesn't matter, we forget haak didn't achieve anything at NT level but with your sick logic haak-egonu-bosko become all of a sudden one level above other two. Sometimes you really make me 🤮🤮🤮
Boskovic could have lost everything this season and I would have said the same thing? Her national team achievements would have separated her anyway. I’m really not trying to diss Vargas or Antropova here and idk why you’re attacking me I think it’s very to say Boskovic and Egonu have really separated themselves. I even said level of play wise it’s totally fair it’s just that if you look at careers those 2 stand out in a different way. so I really don’t know why you’re freaking out.
Boskovic could have lost everything this season and I would have said the same thing? Her national team achievements would have separated her anyway. I’m really not trying to diss Vargas or Antropova here and idk why you’re attacking me I think it’s very to say Boskovic and Egonu have really separated themselves. I even said level of play wise it’s totally fair it’s just that if you look at careers those 2 stand out in a different way. so I really don’t know why you’re freaking out.
Just a month ago, before this great glow up, boskovic was literally the 6th best Opp of big5🤣
Vargas is two years younger than bosko. Because of her former nationality, she has shorter NT career as well as club career in a big team compared to Bosko. Still she has a VNL and ECH gold, and wch silver around her neck. These are something Haak doesn't have for example. If you all of a sudden change your stand on this and say 'no actually CL gold is more important' then Bosko is still below Haak and Egonu. You are just changing your narrative depending on what happens to your favorite player🤦 that's the part I call hypocrisy
TBF he is a Bosko stan but we did call her lack of club medals out and she was clearly feeling it too as well as her fans. There's nothing much to do it's true that she was good in NT all these years and now has solidified major club success so Vargas and Antropova do have to replicate it eventually to be considered objectively on par. Other than that I think many coaches would choose Vargas in a dream team too or Antropova over Boskovic or Haak, these players are all equal level-wise. At the end of the day though, the medals do matter imo for historic reasons.
It is not like Vargas doesn't have anything. Vargas had already two Turkish league gold medal while Bosko get her first one just now. Winning Turkish league is almost as important as winning CL in last 10 years. Not even talking about her Turkish cup golds etc.
Just amount ago, before this great glow up, boskovic was literally the 6th best Opp of big5🤣
Vargas is two years younger than bosko. Because her former nationality, she has shorter NT career as well as club career in a big team compared to Bosko. Still she has a VNL and ECH gold, and wch silver around her neck. These are something Haak doesn't have for example. If you all of a sudden change your stand on this and say 'no actually CL gold is more important' then Bosko is still below Haak and Egonu. You are just changing your narrative depending on what happens to your favorite player🤦 that's the part I call hypocrisy
Boskovic was never the 6th best opposite in the world. Anyone who actually thought that is dumb lol. I swear I’m not saying this just because of this weekend. (Though it certainly doesn’t hurt) Boskovic and Egonu have RIGHTFULLY separated themselves into their own tier of historical legacy that Vargas and Antropova will have to work hard to achieve. That is all I’m trying to say. Haak is her own case just below Tijana and Paola. I don’t even understand how you think that this is an outrageous take or me being biased.
This such a non sence argument and just after we’ve bad such a blast day with funny small provocations for like first time in a year
This such a non sence argument and just after we’ve bad such a blast day with funny small provocations for like first time in a year
I really didn’t think it was a position that was so criminal to take or that it would start an argument….
This such a non sence argument and just after we’ve bad such a blast day with funny small provocations for like first time in a year
National team season is at the door, and it is just beginning, like every year i can already imagine whats gonna happen in coming days