2020 Olympic Games - qualification

  • wow... no disrespect, but with this system, we're probably going to see BRA qualify as one of the 6 world qualifiers, which means ARG will go to the olympics again as the s. american representative. whereas from europe, teams like NED, BEL, TUR and POL will be fighting for just one spot! so unfair...

    I guess the idea/principle of the OG is to be a representative competition, otherwise African teams wouldn't be able to participate and this is really unfair.


    I understand your point, but I don't think the main idea of the event is to have the 12 best NT. This meets best competitions such as VNL.

  • It's interesting that basketball has moved away from that principle and now no continent has a guaranteed place at the Olympics. In practice it likely means that there will be six European and no African teams in Tokyo.

    Perhaps volleyball will make a similar move in the future, even though I'm not really in favour of that.

  • It's interesting that basketball has moved away from that principle and now no continent has a guaranteed place at the Olympics. In practice it likely means that there will be six European and no African teams in Tokyo.

    Perhaps volleyball will make a similar move in the future, even though I'm not really in favour of that.

    No, they are doing that because they know african teams are good. Nigeria was top 8 in last WCh, Senegal top 12. Some european teams are weak (GB, Sweden), they are not so sure to qualify. Probably the teams that qualify in women's basketball will be USA, CAN, 5 europeans, SEN, NGR, CHN, JPN, AUS. So there will be continental parity anyway.


    In men's basketball (where europe is more powerful) they didn't do that in comparison, there will be guaranteed continental spots distributed at the world cup.

  • It's true that African teams are getting better and they beat some European teams at the last WCh, but I still don't think they'd actually be favourites against any of the current top 6 European teams. Yes, even Great Britain and Sweden, they're not bad teams at all.

    Although it is possible that there will be at least one African team in Tokyo because the level of women's basketball in the Americas (other than USA and Canada) seems to have fallen a lot and I don't expect them to qualify any teams apart from those two.

  • I guess the idea/principle of the OG is to be a representative competition, otherwise African teams wouldn't be able to participate and this is really unfair.


    I understand your point, but I don't think the main idea of the event is to have the 12 best NT. This meets best competitions such as VNL.

    i totally understand the continental representation, but s. america will be represented by BRA. i just wish ARG was a better team, but they're not and it'd be better if another euro team was there.


    the qual. process for rio last time was ridiculous.

  • as i wrote that, i was checking live-stream365 and caught the 5th set of DOM x ARG. what the heck is going on in peru, DOM struggled to put away ARG. very surprsing to see, on the bench for ARG, a black player. she seems to be tall too.

  • About basketball, FIBA changed qualification process to reduce qualification tournaments, but still each country from each continent will play at OG; about FIBA World CUP:

    "The tournament will also act as qualification for the 2020 Summer Olympics, which will take the top two teams from each of the Americas and Europe, and the top team from each of Africa, Asia and Oceania, alongside hosts Japan."

    So after World Cup 4 places will remain and WQT will be played.

  • Huh. It's 2019 and talking about 2024? Paris? We don't know which NTs will be strong in future. Last year, we took Malygina and Biryukova and this year they won't be on the roster of our NT. We have Kadochkina who is 16 years old, maybe we will have better players in future or not, it is too early to talk about such things IMO. Gorbunova, Zakharova, Pushina, Shevchuk, Pipunyrova, maybe Lazareva, etc. or maybe someone will suddenly come out and will be much more skillful than those players or Kotikova, Lazareva will improve their skills like Voronkova and Parubets. We don't which NTs will be better in world in future.



    Yes, discussion was why Russia has so easy group. This is effect of their success from the past; they will have to work much harder in the future to have such easy way to get qualification to Paris.

  • Yes, discussion was why Russia has so easy group. This is effect of their success from the past; they will have to work much harder in the future to have such easy way to get qualification to Paris.

    Russia is only 5th in the ranking, so in theory all above - Serbia, China, USA and Brazil should have easier groups but they all have stronger actually :)

  • Russia is only 5th in the ranking, so in theory all above - Serbia, China, USA and Brazil should have easier groups but they all have stronger actually :)

    Yes, agree. This system of qulies doesn't reflect current strength of the teams.

    There should be qualification system without looking at any rankings, but just some general tournament when everyone is prepared the beast as possible.

  • Im fine with representation of each continent but there should be a balance of these principal and keeping the best teams in the tournament since this is supposed to be highest level of this sport and most prestigious tournament.


    I think making the continental tournaments first and letting the best of each continent get a spot would solve all the problem. Then we will have at least one team from each continent, guaranteeing the 'diversity' aspects. Yet having world qualification tournaments after continental qualification would allow the best teams in the world to be qualified and make this prestigious tournament as competitive as possible.

  • Yes, discussion was why Russia has so easy group. This is effect of their success from the past; they will have to work much harder in the future to have such easy way to get qualification to Paris.

    Did you see Russian players current shape? Or you judge them because of VNL? There are no ranking points there. We will have World CUP if we get better place there, don't worry we will still secure our place there. The problem is here, RVF didn't care about their performance in VNL, because their goal was all about OGQ, then ECH, then World Cup. Our players are poor, they can't play 4 tournaments at the same time. When we played well and gained points in WGP, then our players didn't give their best to important tournaments. We didn't have Koroleva, Fetisova, Kadochkina, Goncharova, Malova etc.players in VNL. You talk about future, you don't wait and see their current shape in important tournaments which will start in August. We last year played without 4 main players, and got 8th place it is like Poland NT playing without Smarzek and Stysiak. What you can expect them if their best players are injuried?

    The problem is here, some NTs goal is all about to participate in OGs, our current goal is all about to take medals there (minimum). Participating in OGs, it's not news for us, it's like a daily task. We participated in every OGs.

    Honestly, I focus on OGQ, ECH and then World CUP, after that I will decide we are playing worse or not.

    About future, it's pretty early to talk, our youth teams are playing better than main team nowadays. Where you know, the future team will need to hard work to make it OGs? Maybe they will play better in important tournaments and will gain points like this team. We have World CUP, ranking points tournament this year. The worse ranking points would be 8th place for us because we were 8th place in WCH. I don't think it unfair, you know why? Because Russian NT is not random team IMO.

  • Im fine with representation of each continent but there should be a balance of these principal and keeping the best teams in the tournament since this is supposed to be highest level of this sport and most prestigious tournament.


    I think making the continental tournaments first and letting the best of each continent get a spot would solve all the problem. Then we will have at least one team from each continent, guaranteeing the 'diversity' aspects. Yet having world qualification tournaments after continental qualification would allow the best teams in the world to be qualified and make this prestigious tournament as competitive as possible.

    And then we would have like China, USA, Brazil, a European and a African team and probably 7 more European teams. In this system, teams like Thailand, Korea, Dominican Republic are probably going to be out of the OG.

  • And then we would have like China, USA, Brazil, a European and a African team and probably 7 more European teams. In this system, teams like Thailand, Korea, Dominican Republic are probably going to be out of the OG.

    Which would be fair enough, I think Dominicans and Korea would for sure have a chance as well as don't forget about Japan. I doubt it would be 7 Europeans. But either way, everyone would be presented + the bests would be in the tournament and would have a chance to qualify at least. Which imo is great :whistle:


    The Olympics is indeed the most prestigious tournament for athletes, how fair is it to have teams that barely even play the sport have a spot instead of teams that have fought for it for years and are actually good. I don't think its fair countries automatically have less chance to qualify despite their level only because they're European

  • Ksenia,

    I didn't compare Russian team to any other as you do, and forgive me, but discussion with you is now unpleasant. I won't continue. Cheers!

    Forgive you? For what? We two share our thoughts. There is nothing wrong with it. You wrote Poland men team deliberately lost the game against Russia in VNL, it means you either didn't care about VNL results.

    I didn't compare, Russian NT with any teams. One of my previous post was like that "Brazil, Serbia, Japan, USA, Netherlands, Italy, China" are better than Russia according to last performance in WCH.

    It's FIVB rule , not our own rule. If there were continental qualification Russia always got the ticket for OGs, even in their bad shape. If you throw Parubets to African Sahara, she will probably find the way to go to Tokyo for OGs.

    I didn't say anything unpleasant, Russian performance in VNL, didn't satisfy me either, but if they keep playing like this in next tournaments, yes I'll also judge them like you. But your main idea "Russia doesnt deserve to participate in OGs, bcz their pool easy", okay watching last performance I somehow agree with, but will you write here "Russia NT deserves it, if they get any kind of medal" ? Probably not.

  • Yes, discussion was why Russia has so easy group. This is effect of their success from the past; they will have to work much harder in the future to have such easy way to get qualification to Paris.

    I don't think that this is the case. Russia should end up around 5th place at the OG and World Cup. That might give them enough points to keep the 5th place in the world ranking.

  • Which would be fair enough, I think Dominicans and Korea would for sure have a chance as well as don't forget about Japan. I doubt it would be 7 Europeans. But either way, everyone would be presented + the bests would be in the tournament and would have a chance to qualify at least. Which imo is great :whistle:


    The Olympics is indeed the most prestigious tournament for athletes, how fair is it to have teams that barely even play the sport have a spot instead of teams that have fought for it for years and are actually good. I don't think its fair countries automatically have less chance to qualify despite their level only because they're European

    I got your point and everyone's point. But you guys are forgetting that the OG is not to put the best teams/individuals of a modality to play. It is about creating a space for diversity and representativeness in sport.


    And c'mon, just a little History... Why do you guys think there aren't better teams in South America and Africa? It's because there is not enough money to fund all sports. And why there's no money in most countries that, unsurprisingly, were once a colony? Maybe, but just maybe, the European teams are better because they have more money to fund all sports, money which was historically looted from former colonies.

  • I got your point and everyone's point. But you guys are forgetting that the OG is not to put the best teams/individuals of a modality to play. It is about creating a space for diversity and representativeness in sport.


    And c'mon, just a little History... Why do you guys think there aren't better teams in South America and Africa? It's because there is not enough money to fund all sports. And why there's no money in most countries that, unsurprisingly, were once a colony? Maybe, but just maybe, the European teams are better because they have more money to fund all sports, money which was historically looted from former colonies.

    Yeah that's exactly why Serbia is a powerhouse right now:whistle: