Bulgaria head coach Nikolay Jeliazkov and the rest of their coaching staff resigned.
2022 FIVB World Championship - POL/SLO
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Display MoreOf course I will go back and say, how many of these federations are financially stable?
I mean Kenya's women had to get Serbia to pay for them to get to this year's world champs, and Kenya has been a long-term success in Africa.
FIVB tried expanding the World Grand Prix/World League to lower levels for a promotion/relegation, but for the lower ranked teams at that time, it was an expense that did not bring enough revenue for the individual federations.
With the cost of fuel right now for airplane travel, it is just hard to have multiple international trips in your federation's budget for many of these smaller federations.
The point is how to draw more commercial supports or investments into volleyball to help to grow the sport. We all know finance problem. You think Poland doen't have financial problems in their volleyball community? Rich countries like the Netherlands and Germany also struggle with money. We want changes and want more investments into the sport by changing rules that motivate the federations.
We look to the suceessful sports like football to understand and learn how they grow the sport. You study, learn, copy and adapt.
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maybe they are "competitive" but they didn't beat the "garbage" team did they? fucking idiot
Lmao, each one of the teams I mentioned would sweep China in a heartbeat in any official game that matters, don't even bother to tell me they were solid in VNL festival.
Anyways I'm gonna bass each one of these countries that basically gets a wild card to play when they deserve it much less that others, and play like my high school team.
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Lmao, each one of the teams I mentioned would sweep China in a heartbeat in any official game that matters, don't even bother to tell me they were solid in VNL festival.
Anyways I'm gonna bass each one of these countries that basically gets a wild card to play when they deserve it much less that others, and play like my high school team.
Volleyball Source to Chinese fans. I agree every single word he said.
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Lmao, each one of the teams I mentioned would sweep China in a heartbeat in any official game that matters, don't even bother to tell me they were solid in VNL festival.
Really? Korea lost to China last time they played, and Australia didn't even make the final four of the last AVC event.
AVC traditionally gets 4 spots for the WCH. I'm pretty sure China can beat other AVC teams that are not named Japan or Iran.
Anyways I'm gonna bass each one of these countries that basically gets a wild card to play when they deserve it much less that others, and play like my high school team.
I'm surprised you went to highschool.
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Also I hope Slovenian fans can go into the arena to watch the knockout stage.
It's an embarrassing to see so many empty seats in a such big arena. This is the highest volleyball competion not some small tournament. The lowest number is 90 people in a over 10,000 seat arena.
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Yes. the rules state the competitions must be annual.
It's to prevent someone from creating a tournament for a year to game the system.
AVC Cup should receive points next year (someone said they're moving it to annual)
So if AVC creates an annual competition just a year before. Does it count according to the rule?
What a stupid take to defend FIVB's prejudiced rules.
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Asian Championships? Asian Games? I still don’t see a biennial cadence for AVC a problem and a justification for it not being counted towards world ranking. It’s organized in even years for a reason.
It's not a problem. It's just pure prejudice from FIVB. They know damn well how to suppress poor countries from compete in international volleyball.
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Btw I wonder how much worse would be some teams like South Korea or Australia, they are not first tier level but at least they would be competitive.
Australia sent their A team to the last Asian Championship and won. South Korea beat China in VNL. I'm pretty sure Korea could beat China in AVC Cup if they kept their Challenger Cup's roster. A few experienced players just didn't play in AVC Cup.
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It's not a problem. It's just pure prejudice from FIVB. They know damn well how to suppress poor countries from compete in international volleyball.
Why would fivb suppress poor countries?🤦 I could understand if you say FIVB don't care about them but suppressing?
I really don't see what's the point of whining so much. Poor countries won't become powerhouses overnight although they have 10 tournaments with world rankings. They just need to invest money and get their shit together if they really want to be volleyball countries. If not, no problem. There's no sport other than maybe football which is popular in every single country. And this is okay
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Volleyball Source to Chinese fans. I agree every single word he said.
There's no denying that China was a mess, they were horrible.
But for him to call Chinese fans who thought they could beat Canada garbage is calling himself garbage because he predicted that his Canadian team would be 2nd in the pool, but Turkey ended up sweeping them.
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Display MoreThere's no denying that China was a mess, they were horrible.
But for him to call Chinese fans who thought they could beat Canada garbage is calling himself garbage because he predicted that his Canadian team would be 2nd in the pool, but Turkey ended up sweeping them.
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He was heavily biased, and didn't praise to Türkiye's success at all🤦 he was blaming Canada not being able to stop only one person (aka Adis) but Türkiye was playing well as a team. I think their success should be praised considering how terrible coach they have and they are missing 6 injured players, mostly starters
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He was heavily biased, and didn't praise to Türkiye's success at all🤦 he was blaming Canada not being able to stop only one person (aka Adis) but Türkiye was playing well as a team. I think their success should be praised considering how terrible coach they have and they are missing 6 injured players, mostly starters
I noticed that as well. He just comes across as a salty Canadian fan.
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Why would fivb suppress poor countries?🤦 I could understand if you say FIVB don't care about them but suppressing?
I really don't see what's the point of whining so much. Poor countries won't become powerhouses overnight although they have 10 tournaments with world rankings. They just need to invest money and get their shit together if they really want to be volleyball countries. If not, no problem. There's no sport other than maybe football which is popular in every single country. And this is okay
I can definitely see how the countries in Asia or Africa are being surpressed by not being allowed to play Continental qualifiers to big tournaments, which, once again, was the only way they could earn ranking points and when, once again, Volleyball is Literally the ONLY team sport to introduced such rules
The argument that "the calendar is too cramped and there is no time" losses all meaning, since - according to Polish sources - FIVB wants the World Championship to include 32 teams AND to be played every two years. Which means teams will likely have to play the World Championship, the Continental Championship (the FIVB wants to move those to december, which will of course f**k the club season even more) AND the VNL in a single year.
Look at what the continental qualifying system was pre-2018. The qualifiers were played in stages. First the weakest teams faced against each other, then the best teams advanced to round 2 and faced higher seeded teams, then finally the winners of round 2 played against the best teams in round 3.
All in all, the best teams had like, 4 or 5 extra matches to play in a 4 year cycle. You telling me that would be too much, but the new crazy rules made by FIVB will be OK?
And yeah, I can also see clearly that there is a growing desire from Rich and powerful countries to turn volleyball into some sort of elitist sport (think rugby or ice hockey) where only a selected group of countries gets the privilege of playing at the biggest level. That's what they openly did with this "core teams" rule in the VNL, that's why they are selectively hand-picking the tournaments and matches that will count towards world ranking, and that's why they're slowly taking away any opportunities from the weaker teams to play competitively.
This plan will so obviously fail because even in countries like Poland or Brazil volleyball is not even close to enjoying the kind of popularity Rugby gets in France or the UK, or Ice Hockey in Canada/Finland. When it comes to other strong volleyball countries, like Bułgaria or Slovenia... well.. uh... yeah.
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Display MoreI can definitely see how the countries in Asia or Africa are being surpressed by not being allowed to play Continental qualifiers to big tournaments, which, once again, was the only way they could earn ranking points and when, once again, Volleyball is Literally the ONLY team sport to introduced such rules
The argument that "the calendar is too cramped and there is no time" losses all meaning, since - according to Polish sources - FIVB wants the World Championship to include 32 teams AND to be played every two years. Which means teams will likely have to play the World Championship, the Continental Championship (the FIVB wants to move those to december, which will of course f**k the club season even more) AND the VNL in a single year.
Look at what the continental qualifying system was pre-2018. The qualifiers were played in stages. First the weakest teams faced against each other, then the best teams advanced to round 2 and faced higher seeded teams, then finally the winners of round 2 played against the best teams in round 3.
All in all, the best teams had like, 4 or 5 extra matches to play in a 4 year cycle. You telling me that would be too much, but the new crazy rules made by FIVB will be OK?
And yeah, I can also see clearly that there is a growing desire from Rich and powerful countries to turn volleyball into some sort of elitist sport (think rugby or ice hockey) where only a selected group of countries gets the privilege of playing at the biggest level. That's what they openly did with this "core teams" rule in the VNL, that's why they are selectively hand-picking the tournaments and matches that will count towards world ranking, and that's why they're slowly taking away any opportunities from the weaker teams to play competitively.
This plan will so obviously fail because even in countries like Poland or Brazil volleyball is not even close to enjoying the kind of popularity Rugby gets in France or the UK, or Ice Hockey in Canada/Finland. When it comes to other strong volleyball countries, like Bułgaria or Slovenia... well.. uh... yeah.
You are manipulating my words🤦 I've never said that I agree with FIVB s plans to make WCH every two years or expand number of teams to 32. Ironically, A few posts above, you can see my post criticizing this 🤦
Also I've criticized many times VNL's core team strategy which is allowing China to be there instead of Turkey. So I don't understand where your assumptions come from😒
A lot of 'weak' teams can't even afford to fly to tournaments even if they are qualified. What makes you think that creating more and more tournaments would allow them to join to these tournaments? And there are still continental tournaments they can play and get ranking points if they are actually good.
European league organized by cev is a great model that all other confederations should pick up. They even have golden and silver league which creates different levels of competition
I think you should criticize lazy confederations instead of creating conspiracy theories like FIVB has a secret agenda against weak teams. Why would FIVB have bad intentions against Cambodian volleyball for fuck sake🤦
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FIVB wants the World Championship to include 32 teams
I can also see clearly that there is a growing desire from Rich and powerful countries to turn volleyball into some sort of elitist sport
This is completely contradictory. The same did CEV, expanded ECH from 12 to 16 to 24 teams in 5 years or so. So elitist.
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Let’s go backwards for a moment. First with the ranking system.
In order to receive ranking points, you had to play in a competitive tournament over a 4-year window. So you would say in Africa play in the Africa Olympic qualifiers, but nothing else, you would have that one tournament be your ranking for four years.
With Continental tournaments being held every two years, and World Champ Qualifying and then Olympic Qualifying, you had four opportunities (3 counting) to get a ranking score, without even playing in World GP/League/VNL.
Still you if did not qualify you score at best would be in the 50 range (20 cont. champs, 15+15 for the qualifiers)
the new ranking system basically has the tier of the competitors built in. If you aren’t winning the biggest events, you are not getting as many points. We’re complaining about AVC Cup, and how that confederation is not getting ranking points. Pan American Cup has been around for 20 years and played annually.
Kazakhstan at #39 is the 5th ranked AVC team in the women’s rankings. Croatia who is 19th, beat them 3-0 in the VNL challenge cup. Croatia only gained 3 points in the rankings. This was an expected result. Kazakhstan back in the old rankings only reached around 21-23 rank for its maximum.
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You are manipulating my words🤦 I've never said that I agree with FIVB s plans to make WCH every two years or expand number of teams to 32. Ironically, A few posts above, you can see my post criticizing this 🤦
Also I've criticized many times VNL's core team strategy which is allowing China to be there instead of Turkey. So I don't understand where your assumptions come from😒
A lot of 'weak' teams can't even afford to fly to tournaments even if they are qualified. What makes you think that creating more and more tournaments would allow them to join to these tournaments? And there are still continental tournaments they can play and get ranking points if they are actually good.
European league organized by cev is a great model that all other confederations should pick up. They even have golden and silver league which creates different levels of competition
I think you should criticize lazy confederations instead of creating conspiracy theories like FIVB has a secret agenda against weak teams. Why would FIVB have bad intentions against Cambodian volleyball for fuck sake🤦
i was replying more in generał, but now you are the one manipulating my words lol. I never said anything about creating more and more tournaments. If anything, it's the people who defend this system that want even more unnecessary Continental tournaments instead of just a normal qualification system, like in any other sport, including pre-2018 volleyball.
You say that weak teams can't afford to travel? Well, men's volleyball had almost 150 national teams participating in World Championship qualifiers in 2014 and 2018. That was the second biggest amount of teams in qualification after only football. How many of them can now afford to play one tournament, and then another,and then yet another in hopes of maaaaaybe getting enough rankings points to somehow overtake countries playing VNL on a regular basis?
You say "they can earn points through Continental tournaments" except only a few pages earlier we were talking about how the AVC cup, for example, gives NO ranking points at all. The "it's not an annual competition" excuse is so bullshit too, like the FIVB couldn't simply, say, divide the ammount of points the teams earned in the previous edition by half the year there is no competition.
Also, it's funny how you try to mock me with this "cambodian volleyball" argument. Nothing to say about how Belgium got screwed over in women's VNL to keep South Korea in, because of the stupid rules FIVB made?
Speaking of VNL, how is it fair that it's so important for olympic qualification, despite being an purely commercial tournament restricted to only 16 teams? Most of which can't even be relegated, no matter how badly they Play?
Let's not pretend like the FIVB isn't already actively catering to the strong and rich federations at the cost of smaller teams.
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First i like FIVB calendar more than FIBA or FIFA. I like 4 year plan and separate national and club season. But sure, they need to make less games and give little bit more rest for players, not 2 much but just little bit more.
Its a big NO for wch every 2 years.
But i don't think that 32 teams in wch are bad idea. They just need to make system better, for example like champions league 15 years ago. 8 groups with 4 teams, that is 3 games (currently is 5 games in 4x6 system). After that they can make another 4 groups but without caring points from stage one. That is 3 more games and 8 best teams will make to 1/8.
So this is 10 games in total with 32 teams, now is 12 games in total with 24 teams.
Players will have at least one more week for rest.
Yes they will be more weak teams but that is ok, they will not make to stage 2. And at least every continent will have more teams representing.
