New management looking for suggestions!

    Thank you God I started to learn Italian yesterday :win:

    3 hours in the week for the begginer :teach:

    Quote from akitoakie

    The block button exists for a reason. Since I block him, I am living a stress-free life in this forum. 😂😂😂


    I don’t understand how some of y’all keep getting mad about that troll and yet choose to respond to him every time.

    Yeah I still don't get it.


    Why do they love me so much ?? They block me but they are still reading my posts like crazy. :what:


    This forum is literally DEAD, noone is posting NOTHING. And now they want even less posts. This new admin Janko :white::white:

    Quote from akitoakie

    The block button exists for a reason. Since I block him, I am living a stress-free life in this forum. 😂😂😂


    I don’t understand how some of y’all keep getting mad about that troll and yet choose to respond to him every time.

    Unfortunately, he's all over this place. In the official transfers news topic I can see all his post. In the rumors topic he's on all the quotes.

    Quote from crovolley

    This new admin Janko :white::white:


    :lol:

    Quote from QueenPiccininiLover

    Unfortunately, he's all over this place. In the official transfers news topic I can see all his post. In the rumors topic he's on all the quotes.

    I want to add one more problem with block feature. You can see all the posts and actions from someone which you blocked on the dashboard (they are just pale).

    And i personally dont have problem with that, i just want to point out another flaw of that famous block option.

    #snowflake

    Quote from mdacs

    I do get your point, but I find it so easy to just ignore whenever delusional shit comes up in here. I believe this is way more effective than replying drama with more drama.

    That's an easy perspective to take as an ordinary poster, but untenable for an admin. We can't afford to have that attitude, or there'll be no regulations to the site.

    How about this compromise: posting of foreign language news is not prohibited, BUT if you mis-translate or you give inaccurate information, you will be liable to the charge of spreading fake news, which WILL be prohibited? In short, you can post those news, but you do it at your own responsibility. One instance of this, a warning, second instance a 1-week ban.

    But what if somebody relies on a source which itself posted fake news? That can happen as well and I find it difficult. I don't think anyone (except that person who every year claims "Ajcharaporn in Bergamo") intentionally posts fake news...

    Well, think of it this way: making a spreading of fake news MUST be liable to punishment. Doesn't matter how many do it intentionally or not, it's still aggravating (and even worse, always open to grave abuse if not put beyond the pale, even if it hasn't happened yet; doesn't mean it never will). And as for applying such a rule in practice, by its very nature, a mod's job is always to some extent dependent on interpretation and discretion. There is no way to formulate rule-behaviour or rule-book that will suffice for every conceivable occasion and cover every eventuality. This will be just another instance of it. It will be up to mod's discretion what will count as spreading fake news and what can be excused by such mitigating circumstances as you describe.


    As for "dictatorial behaviour" narrative, how about this public discussion of rules and negotiating of them, eh? In 90% of the sites I've ever known, no mod would condescend to negotiate rules with any member (or even any colleague openly).:whistle:

    Quote from Matthias

    But what if somebody relies on a source which itself posted fake news? That can happen as well and I find it difficult. I don't think anyone (except that person who every year claims "Ajcharaporn in Bergamo") intentionally posts fake news...

    I wouldn’t want to discourage users from trying to update others on the latest news and of course these kinds of mistakes can happen. As Janko said, we can judge each individual case on its own circumstances.


    A couple of basic guidelines that people could follow are: if someone suspects that their source may not be very good then it’s best if they say that when posting the news (I know some people do this already) and also to avoid posting “news” from sources that have often proven to be unreliable in the past.

    Quote from Janko

    As for "dictatorial behaviour" narrative, how about this public discussion of rules and negotiating of them, eh? In 90% of the sites I've ever known, no mod would condescend to negotiate rules with any member (or even any colleague openly).:whistle:

    There is one important omitted item, wich is that here the mod / admins are chosen on the overall initiative of the forum members and the recommendations of who it might be or because of the selfinitiative to take the same position. Analogous to this, it was completely reasonable and in my opinion necessarily a thread like this one, anyone who wanted to participate can did/do that, with your final decision to wich no one objected.

    Also, every possible subseqyent rule i think is reasonable and possible to adopt according to the same model, on the recommendation of one of the admins, if no one declares that they have something meaningful against, the rule is accepted and must be respected by every user, any sanction by the admin for user who dont respect the rules shouldn't be considered as dictatorship, that allow the rulebook made like this. Certainly a dose of personal interpretation must exist and no one should be blamed for doing something wrond about it.

    Quote from Matthias

    IMO, in case of fake news due to wrong translations, the easiest solution is when somebody who understood the news correctly simply posts this. Has worked well for years I think...

    That's open to interpretation. How do you know it hasn't bothered any other member? In fact, I know you know some are bothered by it. It has worked only in a sense that people and admin have tolerated such a condition (and it's not like people had any choice in the matter). But I'm sure you won't argue it's an ideal solution, and THAT'S the reason why it should never be changed.


    In addition, there's the matter of quantity. How many people spread fake news (whether intentionally or unintentionally), and how often. It's undeniable that some do it far more often than others. Why should the rest of suffer hearing inaccurate news continuously just because some can't stop themselves from posting. I am firmly for putting a stop to THAT.

    What I don't get is why the TRANSFER NEWS topic has ALWAYS requested the OFFICIAL source and now crovolley keeps posting fake news without source and "He SHoULd Be ResPeCTeD BeCAuSe He CaN't TranSlaTe Well". :down:

    Please follow your own rules. All posts without an official link should be deleted and the users should be suspended for keep doing it.

    Quote from Janko

    Great in theory, but utterly impractical. How would we even go about organising something like that? How many member's votes are enough? I can already tell you, vast majority of even regularly visiting members would not vote, even if we were to put it to vote from time to time. They simple don't care about it.

    Practically very easy indeed. Once an admin want you change a rule or add a new one, s/he can post two options in this thread or in a separate one. And asks people to like either of the options (rule A should be changed or rule A should stay the way it is now). At the end of 3 days or one week, the number of likes are counted and Voila! We know the answer


    Otherwise, this will give too much power to admins to make arbitrary rules in the future

    Quote from Sidney

    What I don't get is why the TRANSFER NEWS topic has ALWAYS requested the OFFICIAL source and now crovolley keeps posting fake news without source and "He SHoULd Be ResPeCTeD BeCAuSe He CaN't TranSlaTe Well". :down:

    Please follow your own rules. All posts without an official link should be deleted and the users should be suspended for keep doing it.

    I agree this should be the case for official news topic but what's wrong with it if the post was in the rumours thread? People post things based on what they heard from their cousin's coach's grandmother's neighbour. Everyone knows the news in the rumours thread could be fake (indeed most likely it is) that's why people read the news in rumours thread with caution.

    Quote from serdar

    I agree this should be the case for official news topic but what's wrong with it if the post was in the rumours thread? People post things based on what they heard from their cousin's coach's grandmother's neighbour. Everyone knows the news in the rumours thread could be fake (indeed most likely it is) that's why people read the news in rumours thread with caution.

    I'm talking specifically about the posts on the TRANSFER NEWS topic. Please see for example what crovolley wrote about Kosheleva. It's fake and has no links.


    The TRANSFER RUMOR topic could have anyhing, incluing rumors created by the users themselves which I'm sure happens a lot.