CEV Champions League 2021

  • well, star players don't grow on trees. They are so young, of course they would be prospects. It is not like every country is raising 5-6 Egonu or Boskoviç from every generation.


    I think getting one player per generation, who can play in senior NT is more than enough/realistic.

  • What kind of changes do you mean? Like increasing foreign limit?


    There are many changes which I considered would only bring much benefits to TL and TVF,in consequence to the NT. Foreign limit is one of the changes, but not the main in my opinion. I consider the first change that should be done is to abolish the rule which indicate that young players cannot leave clubs who own/owned their professional contract till they turn 22 yo.

    It is every easy to blame a player: Why dont you leave Istanbul? Why do you prefer to sit on bench? But they cant do it if they are 19,20, etc if clubs dont let them. (Another topic is the fact that some local players are way overpaid, so they barely have motivation to improve and stay in Istabul privelege sphere, but that's another speech).

    Coming back to my point, sure, there are players who "blossom" after 22, but most of the main vball skills are taught during these years (junior and post junior). In many cases, the train has already left the station.

    Many of those players could be playing abroad. Sure, I am not saying in top clubs at once, but starting in Polish, French, German for example. Or even some could play for mid level teams of Italy. With all the due respect, there we could find coaches who are way more competent that Turkish ones. To be honest, in international level, we could name few Turkish coaches, no more than the fingers of a hand.


    Instead, young talented players, with a lot of potential, are wasted in the bench. They are the subs of stars (and "stars") who barely have minutes on court. If we add the the foreign limit, well, for me, we get the perfect formula of many younger players who didnt blossom cuz of the burocracy and lack of vision of TL and TVF. Turkish fans here could write a pretty long list.

    These two rules are inteconnected + the fact TVF hasnt been able to develop own Turkish coaches through the years, much more when TL was the indisputed best league in the world for 10 years (or even more). Why do I mention this? Developing good coaches will bring their "interionalization", so they could be coaching in many other leagues around Europe or even in other latitudes. Hence, they could call young talented prospects to their clubs in order to have minutes, which is so important when you are still in learning phase. As you see, everything is linked.

    Why do you make a talent get roots instead of feet in your bench, when you could have an Hungarian, Colombian, Ukrainian. etc player instead? If she isnt in other club, she could be playing overseas. Examples, I think you could name so many.

    One: Efe Bayram. Resovia wants him. Giuliani let him play in Halbank when he was just 16. Efe got offers from 3 italian teams, and two Polish. But he answered that the club will decide.

    Of course, I am not saying every single talented player will become the new Boskovic, Egonu, Zhu, etc. Nevertheless, the rise of level brings competitiveness, so players do not feel "safe" in their NT position and have to do much more effort to show why do they deserve a call.

    And we come back to the first point: Turkey is a country with so much raw material, but the universe of top level players isnt wide as it should be. Turkey could have two competitive teams like USA, China or Italy, in minor, Serbia could have (or like Brazil used to have). Again, not saying they could put two teams aiming for gold medal, but of course competitive ones.
    To sum it up, we could see how a team which doesnt have any NT team player and their starters are the 4th, 5th and even 6th option for a NT calling could beat a start studded and powerhouse club. Viceversa, it would have never ever happened.

  • for the ones that said why chanpions fials takes too long


    There's still playing the finals of poland and german leagues


    I know that is weirdly possible to see a team from both countries in a final but cev need to analize all cases and all leagues


    If it's true that italian and turkish dominates the champions,we never know about a surprise so that's why the date IMO


    Also turkish league would have end + 20 april if they did a 5 game and italian this year was best of 3 because if it was best out of 5,it would have take much more time ..

  • Nobody talking about the location of final? I think it's a big x factor for Conegliano, but I hope Vakifbank will win. I can see 3:0 for Imoco, but with very close sets like 25:22/23.


    I think the most important for turkish side will be good game by MB's. Zehra and Rasic can show a good performances and keep Vakif alive for a long time as FOR ME Vakif MB's are better. No way to stop Egonu, but I can imagine that Vakif will fight really good. Also serves by Haak. She must be concentrated because I think that her power service is not working so good at the end of the season like it was before.

  • I doubt it gonna be a 3-0 for vakif


    As I said before for be a comfortable winning of imoco there 2 things



    SYLLA: she is afraid if finals,in all inportants finals or semis outside italy she sucked,this last match she started so bad but then recovered so her performance gonna be cruacial for both teams


    Also to see how imoco gon a challenge vb service in order to not let them play as fast as they use to and with their MB


    It could be added also hill cause in last decisive games is struggling

  • Is mbh better receiver and back defender than ebrar? I know they are equal in offense. 🤔

    I think she’s a big improvement on Ebrar. Not only is she a better receiver and defender than her but she’s more used to attacking for pos 4 and attacking after receiving. While they may be equal in offence, Ebrar is unpredictable - she can be amazing or not good at all. MBH is much more reliable and last time she faced Imoco in a CL final she did a very good job and was a big part of her team’s win.

  • I think she’s a big improvement on Ebrar. Not only is she a better receiver and defender than her but she’s more used to attacking for pos 4 and attacking after receiving. While they may be equal in offence, Ebrar is unpredictable - she can be amazing or not good at all. MBH is much more reliable and last time she faced Imoco in a CL final she did a very good job and was a big part of her team’s win.

    I'm not comparing MBH and Ebrar overall, I'm only comparing them in match against Conegliano.

    I don't know what MBH can bring new against Conegliano when in that match Ebrar played really, really good as OH from reception, too attacking and her serving.


    But in that match Conegliano played everything but not good as they can. They have played pretty much as against Novara yesterday. Even Wolosz and Egonu connection was little bit off. To high sets, Egonu slowing down. Not using MB good from Wolosz.

    I have watched match in full before 2 days, and It wasn’t Conegliano in full force

  • Imoco barely beat Vakifbank without MBH. Let’s see if MBH can turn things around for Vakifbank.

    Imo mb gives stability in receive and do hee job,nothing outstanding


    But imo it won't depend on her,if she does hee normal job with 10 points in the game it wouldn't change if imoco arrived to play their game


    Vb should focus in sylla and hill,s

    They crack under pressure so they should let paola aside..

  • I'm not comparing MBH and Ebrar overall, I'm only comparing them in match against Conegliano.

    I don't know what MBH can bring new against Conegliano when in that match Ebrar played really, really good as OH from reception, too attacking and her serving.


    But in that match Conegliano played everything but not good as they can. They have played pretty much as against Novara yesterday. Even Wolosz and Egonu connection was little bit off. To high sets, Egonu slowing down. Not using MB good from Wolosz.

    I have watched match in full before 2 days, and It wasn’t Conegliano in full force

    Excuses, excuses...

    I want Vakıfbank win just to see what excuses you will come up😂

  • After these two important games for Conegliano I can say that Zehra will give a monster performance in the final. The best way to win by Vakif is to play by the MB's as much as you can. Come on Guidetti, I know that you know :super:

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  • I saw that there are 10 Covid cases in Vakifbank. That will heavily affect their CL-final preparation...

    NOOOOOOOoooooo ;(;(;(

  • 10 Covid cases in Vakif. 5 in staff and 5 players. This will probably heavily affect their CL-final preparation...


  • Vakifbank announcement 5 players and 5 staff members have Covid. :white::white:


    9days before CL final....

  • No surprise unfortunately. I wonder how long before the match the foreign teams actually have to show up in Italy and I expect they'll only be allowed to travel with a negative test, so there's a good chance some people will be missing in Vakifbank :gone:

  • And we don’t know who are this names.


    Kubra and Melis have it before ceremony.

  • I wouldn’t be surprised if some Conegliano players got it after yesterdays celebration.


    They were everywhere :down: