The VNL is inherently unfair, with “core” teams chosen by nothing other than money
most of the core women's teams are the top teams anyway
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most of the core women's teams are the top teams anyway
it doesnt matter. Teams shouldn't be guaranteed in the competition without sporting merit, especially at a time where rankings are more important than ever.
It would also make the competition more competitive... you cant just throw out your B/C team because you can.
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it doesnt matter. Teams shouldn't be guaranteed in the competition without sporting merit, especially at a time where rankings are more important than ever.
It would also make the competition more competitive... you cant just throw out your B/C team because you can.
Actually with the new kind of ranking system it's not necessarily an advantage for your ranking to play more games. But agreed on the point that teams shouldn't be guaranteed at all.
I think they could've picked the first year based on core teams, but after that just have top 12 stay and bottom 4 get replaced or something like that.
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Taking VNL serious is bs and means nothing talks should at least stop this time around knowing the OG winner lol.
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Actually with the new kind of ranking system it's not necessarily an advantage for your ranking to play more games. But agreed on the point that teams shouldn't be guaranteed at all.
I think they could've picked the first year based on core teams, but after that just have top 12 stay and bottom 4 get replaced or something like that.
I think it depends on the field (if the new ranking system is an advantage or not)
Look how many gained points against a B team China/Serbia
Canada beating China was a bigger boost to their ranking than anything Mexico (non-VNL team) could've done.
Getting rid of core teams may help to eliminate this (with the structure of the VNL it wont.... but I can hope lol)
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Because team that loses play with top teams in the world while the other can play no official games or only few (except europeans) with current challenge cup format
Also challenger cup gives opportunity to other teams to go to VNL,if the last placed team of vnl renew every year well it gonna be always the same
Looking at from different point of view; the loser of VNL team would be probably exhausted already due to playing such a long competition whereas other teams will be more fresh with more time to prepare for this tournament. If they can't still win, it means they don't deserve to promote. Also other teams can arrange their own friendly games anyway.
I agree that core teams should be abolished. However, in reality not many people would dare to send weak rosters considering the new world ranking has such impact on Olympic route. Which one of the core team do you think would have relegate if they weren't exempted? Only maybe Korea?
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I mean if the prize money for the 1st placer is $1,000,000, then I would send my best team
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I mean if the prize money for the 1st placer is $1,000,000, then I would send my best team
Logical to me, too. But that raises a question. Do the coaches get together in advance to agree about what team they will send? A, A/B, B. Like user said, with the OG gold winners there, will countries go with anything less than their A Teams?
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The VNL is inherently unfair, with “core” teams chosen by nothing other than money
I remember some reports said that the core teams will be reveiwed every 4 years. I can't find the source any more. Due to the cancellation of Covid, this year is the 4th VNL version. If it's true, the core teams will be reviewed. We may expect new core teams for 2023 VNL.
Logical to me, too. But that raises a question. Do the coaches get together in advance to agree about what team they will send? A, A/B, B. Like user said, with the OG gold winners there, will countries go with anything less than their A Teams?
I think the new system is pretty fair system. If you lose as B team versus lower ranking team, you can gain more points when your A team wins because of its own lower ranking.
One thing needs to improve is that FIVB needs to recognize the results of friendly matches organized between 2 countries or more as parts of the ranking system. It encourges more and more countries or associations to organize friendly matches. Hope some of them will become yearly profitable events to help to grow volleyball. Football is doing this. -
One thing needs to improve is that FIVB needs to recognize the results of friendly matches organized between 2 countries or more as parts of the ranking system. It encourges more and more countries or associations to organize friendly matches.
it could also encourage gaming the ranking system.
I don't think the rankings are that important to be gamed, but it's a possibility.
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it could also encourage gaming the ranking system.
I don't think the rankings are that important to be gamed, but it's a possibility.
well olympic spots are going to be determined by rankings... so I think that is pretty important lol
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it could also encourage gaming the ranking system.
I don't think the rankings are that important to be gamed, but it's a possibility.
No, it won't.
K stands for the match importance. FIVB controls the "K" to control the outcomes. Further more, FIVB can set certain standards to regulate friendly matches that result world ranking points like minimun audience/minimun prize money/minimun TV boardcasting time etc.
Especially, when talking about volleyball worldwild, we need more volleyball matches to be played within "weak teams".
Why Vietnam and Australia can't play a profitable friendly match tournament to gain world ranking points while to cheer the local market at the same time?
Volleyball needs more investment and airtime! World ranking points is the motivation and incentive to do so.
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No, it won't.
K stands for the match importance. FIVB controls the "K" to control the outcomes. Further more, FIVB can set certain standards to regulate friendly matches that result world ranking points like minimun audience/minimun prize money/minimun TV boardcasting time etc.
Especially, when talking about volleyball worldwild, we need more volleyball matches to be played within "weak teams".
Why Vietnam and Australia can't play a profitable friendly match tournament to gain world ranking points while to cheer the local market at the same time?
Volleyball needs more investment and airtime! World ranking points is the motivation and incentive to do so.
Technically they could.
Get the AVC to organize a "tournament" with 4 teams and bam... matches are eligible for world ranking points.
If don't know how much it could shift rankings... but its something.
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Technically they could.
Get the AVC to organize a "tournament" with 4 teams and bam... matches are eligible for world ranking points.
If don't know how much it could shift rankings... but its something.
It's a fair game. Vietnam wants to gain points. Why not Finland or Denmark wants to gain points too? You know Chile is interested in gaining points.
Teams are getting points while some teams are losing. But defitnitly promoting volleyabll.
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It's a fair game. Vietnam wants to gain points. Why not Finland or Denmark wants to gain points too? You know Chile is interested in gaining points.
Teams are getting points while some teams are losing. But defitnitly promoting volleyabll.
It needs organization. Which is why FIVB set the standard that it needs to be organized by a confederation.
What is stopping the USA from scheduling Mexico twice and sending a D team.. to give Mexico a boost in the ranking to qualify for an intl event over some other, more competitive team?
By enforcing there to be confederation organization... it's preventing stuff like that.
I think there should be tournaments for lower ranked teams... it probably comes down to money at that point
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It needs organization. Which is why FIVB set the standard that it needs to be organized by a confederation.
What is stopping the USA from scheduling Mexico twice and sending a D team.. to give Mexico a boost in the ranking to qualify for an intl event over some other, more competitive team?
By enforcing there to be confederation organization... it's preventing stuff like that.
I think there should be tournaments for lower ranked teams... it probably comes down to money at that point
You have been missing my points. I said FIVB can regulate the friendly match tournament through some standards like minimum prize money/minimum TV airtime. No audience will pay their own money to watch a D team playing, sweetie. Not me!!!!!!
Investors aren't stupid, they are not going to invest their money to have a D team to perform. You clearly don't know how football and NBA is running the show. Superstars to appear are mandatory in friendly matches in contracts. How hard they play is another story.
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What is stopping the USA from scheduling Mexico twice and sending a D team
Wouldn't USA lose big ranking by losing to Mexico?
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You have been missing my points. I said FIVB can regulate the friendly match tourmant through some standards like minimum prize money. No audience will pay their own money to watch a D team playing, sweetie. Not me!!!!!
Investors aren't stupid, they are not going to invest their money to have a D team to perform. You clearly don't know how football and NBA is running the show. Superstars to appear are mandatory in friendly matches in contracts. How hard they play is another story.
oh sorry.
FIVB probably doesnt want to give out money for that (hence giving the confederations responsibility). It's not going to bring in money to the FIVB (hence when the VNL was reduced from the size of the Grand Prix)
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oh sorry.
FIVB probably doesnt want to give out money for that (hence giving the confederations responsibility). It's not going to bring in money to the FIVB (hence when the VNL was reduced from the size of the Grand Prix)
FIVB benefits from the growth of Worldwild Volleyball finaically.
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And also, FIVB just set some standards for eligible friendly matches. It doesn't cost FIVB money to host a tournament.
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