I don't think this is it. The clubs don't want to let the top players go because then there's no guarantee of the club's success (and by extension, the officials' promotions...). CVA probably doesn't mind if the top players go abroad, but individual clubs (Tianjin, jiangsu, etc) will not be happy.
is it a big deal to have the local, Chinese talent? Wouldn’t it be better to let in more foreigners, to allow players like LYY to go overseas
I don't think this is it. The clubs don't want to let the top players go because then there's no guarantee of the club's success (and by extension, the officials' promotions...). CVA probably doesn't mind if the top players go abroad, but individual clubs (Tianjin, jiangsu, etc) will not be happy.
that’s possible too. in a broader sense, anyone in china showing interest in anything overseas is bound to spur public outcry in this day and age. if CVA indeed doesnt mind it, will players want to land themselves in controversy just by showing desire to leave for a ‘better’ club and league. so idk, in my opinion, the political landscape now is just not one that would encourage individuals to venture out.
Haven't watched the match yet and avoided the highlights, but that bad to warrant a name change huh fire_cai_bin ? lol
I will say based on the score board I was surprised to see China take a set, let alone the first one.
is it a big deal to have the local, Chinese talent? Wouldn’t it be better to let in more foreigners, to allow players like LYY to go overseas
Tianjin won't let LYY go.
They have younger players (Wang Yizhu, Chen Boya) that have potential and are worth investing in to allow LYY to go abroad, but season after season these youngsters remained on the bench when Zhu joined them then when Vargas and Liu Yanhan were added this past year so their development has been on and off.
LYY is practically the face of the Chinese League, but you can tell it's getting too easy for her and not challenging anymore. If she wants to take her potential to another level abroad is the only choice.
Imho China will never hire a foreign coach unless they fall to #10+ in the rankings or something (in a couple years maybe) and there are protests for it even within the CCP.
This is because VB is not just a sport to China, it is a “spirit” and a strong source of national pride. If you read Chinese you can see that they have a term ”中国女排精神” which is basically Chinese women’s volleyball spirit, which is a rallying cry for them… Women’s VB is famously followed by President Xi, and in the all China games last year after the Olympics, during a photo op with the athletes, you could see Xi walking past a whole group of elite athletes and stopping in front of Zhu to say a few words. It is watched by the #1 in China.
even when news got out that Zhu went abroad to get her surgery, there were grumbles as to why she got it overseas instead of China since Chinese medical facilities are just as good… The country is becoming more and more nationalistic (thanks to Xi) and sports, especially women’s VB, is a tool to extend that nationalism. They will NEVER choose a foreign coach unless there is an okay from the highest level. Because to political associations like CVA, the Chinese way is the best way… That’s why We’ll never see them improving their conditioning too… They are too insular and proud.
ZT’s injury was delicate and complex and I doubt if there are local surgeons who have had performed such kind of surgery let alone on an elite athlete. Glad she had it done outside and she deserved ( she did not put her career / well being ahead of her patriotism) to get treated by the best or if not one of the best in the world. Sending their best athletes especially those in their peak / prime outside might become a problem because outside influences / exposures might brainwash their athletes and they might defect.
Some people are just overreacting with the losses. This is a newly formed team with over half of the starters not available. The newcomers have not lived up to expectations. Have the coaching decisions been bad? Definitely. But I'll cut Cai Bin some slack since no coaches are willing to take over a championship team. It's win or backlash. If this team can't make it to quarterfinals, a coaching change is definitely needed. Hiring a foreign coach poses communication problems because not all Chinese players speak English. Same reason Thailand and Japan hire local coaches. Koreans have been hiring foreign coaches but have not won anything, not even the Asian Championship.
I don't think coaching is the problem for China. They won 5 titles in 80s, 2 finals appearances in the 90s that was dominated by Cubans, 2 tiles in 2000s, and 3 titles in 2010s. The main problem for China has always been the health and longevity of players. Too many athletes retired early due to injuries. It's a pretty pervasive problem throughout every sport. Major reform is needed in training and conditioning. Biggest obstacle is every provincial club is independently run. They can give an f.u. to the national team if they want to by not releasing their players. So major leadership is needed in order for change. Maybe Lang Ping can fit that role since she has the experience and popularity to do so.
Some people are just overreacting with the losses. This is a newly formed team with over half of the starters not available. The newcomers have not lived up to expectations. Have the coaching decisions been bad? Definitely. But I'll cut Cai Bin some slack since no coaches are willing to take over a championship team. It's win or backlash. If this team can't make it to quarterfinals, a coaching change is definitely needed. Hiring a foreign coach poses communication problems because not all Chinese players speak English. Same reason Thailand and Japan hire local coaches. Koreans have been hiring foreign coaches but have not won anything, not even the Asian Championship.
I don't think coaching is the problem for China. They won 5 titles in 80s, 2 finals appearances in the 90s that was dominated by Cubans, 2 tiles in 2000s, and 3 titles in 2010s. The main problem for China has always been the health and longevity of players. Too many athletes retired early due to injuries. It's a pretty pervasive problem throughout every sport. Major reform is needed in training and conditioning. Biggest obstacle is every provincial club is independently run. They can give an f.u. to the national team if they want to by not releasing their players. So major leadership is needed in order for change. Maybe Lang Ping can fit that role since she has the experience and popularity to do so.
Korea reached semi finals in OG with a foreigner coach, which is way more valuable than winning asian championship
Korea reached semi finals in OG with a foreigner coach, which is way more valuable than winning asian championship
And yet can't win Asian Championship.
And yet can't win Asian Championship.
Who cares
Who cares
Obviously you do.
Haven't watched the match yet and avoided the highlights, but that bad to warrant a name change huh fire_cai_bin ? lol
I will say based on the score board I was surprised to see China take a set, let alone the first one.
It's not that bad (except it is), but it's more that I am really done with this coach's roster decisions.
Where are the young players? Do we still have young players? We should be developing teenagers instead of Wang Yunlu and Jin Ye who are both 26, and Wang Weiyi who's 24.
It's not that bad (except it is), but it's more that I am really done with this coach's roster decisions.
Where are the young players? Do we still have young players? We should be developing teenagers instead of Wang Yunlu and Jin Ye who are both 26, and Wang Weiyi who's 24.
Why can Chen Peiyan, Wu Mengjie, etc not get a chance? And don't get me started on the setters... 30 and 33
Why can Chen Peiyan, Wu Mengjie, etc not get a chance? And don't get me started on the setters... 30 and 33
Most likely they didn't do well during training camp. Weren't some of them chosen for Asian competitions? If they can't do well in those, then they are not ready for world competitions.
Most likely they didn't do well during training camp. Weren't some of them chosen for Asian competitions? If they can't do well in those, then they are not ready for world competitions.
When will Wang Weiyi, Jin Ye, and Wang Yunlu be ready for world competitions?
When will Wang Weiyi, Jin Ye, and Wang Yunlu be ready for world competitions?
World Championship is in September. We will find out who will be selected. So far they don't look promising so far.
When will Wang Weiyi, Jin Ye, and Wang Yunlu be ready for world competitions?
better hope that Wang Mengjie overcomes her psychological problems, and that Zhu and Zhang are healthy.
It seems Cai Bin has no better plan than to hope for the latter as well.
better hope that Wang Mengjie overcomes her psychological problems, and that Zhu and Zhang are healthy.
It seems Cai Bin has no better plan than to hope for the latter as well.
Even with psychological problems I'd still take her over Wang Weiyi right now.
World Championship is in September. We will find out who will be selected. So far they don't look promising so far.
I respect your optimism, but I just don't see them making improvements by that time which is why I would rather see the younger players get a chance.
Even with psychological problems I'd still take her over Wang Weiyi right now.
It's not every day you see a libero who looks more hopeful rather than confident passing the ball 
I wasn't familiar with her, so when I saw she was starting against Japan ... lol, what an introduction 
