Yes, as long as the ball was outside the antenna.
No, Milano blocked the ball back and it was still within Casalmaggiore's side. The ball didn't travel from Milano's side to outside the antenna
Italy - Serie A1 2022/23
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Yes and that's what I think too. But point finally went to Milan?
1st and 2nd ref had a discussion and yes point to Milan. Terrible call
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No, Milano blocked the ball back and it was still within Casalmaggiore's side. The ball didn't travel from Milano's side to outside the antenna
Milano blocked Frantti and the ball was going to be a blocked out, which Frantti was obviously thinking the same and going to celebrate. Orro used her foot to kick the ball back to Milano’s side before the ball touched the ground, and the ball at that moment was NOT inside Casslmaggiore’s court area so it was legal for Orro to save it.
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What a performance by Rettke
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Milano blocked Frantti and the ball was going to be a blocked out, which Frantti was obviously thinking the same and going to celebrate. Orro used her foot to kick the ball back to Milano’s side before the ball touched the ground, and the ball at that moment was NOT inside Casslmaggiore’s court area so it was legal for Orro to save it.
Not inside Casalmaggiore's court but inside their ZONE (which is defined by the antenna)!
Could Frantti play if she wanted to? Yes!
Could both Milano and Casalmaggiore play that same ball? No!
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Not inside Casalmaggiore's court but inside their ZONE (which is defined by the antenna)!
Could Frantti play if she wanted to? Yes!
Could both Milano and Casalmaggiore play that same ball? No!
Orro kicked the ball at the free zone, ie. outside the antenna.Here’s the FIVB rules:
9. Each team must play within its own playing area and space (except Rule 10.1.2). The ball may, however, be retrieved from beyond its own free zone and over the scoring table in its complete extension.
10.1.2 The ball that has crossed the net plane to the opponent's free zone totally or partly through the external space, may be played back within the team hits, provided that:
10.1.2.1 the opponent's court is not touched by the player;
10.1.2.2 the ball, when played back, crosses the net plane again totally or partly through the external space on the same side of the court.
The opponent team may not prevent such action.
So the question was, whether the ball Milano blocked and travelled to Casa’s free zone was “totally or partly through the external space” as Rule 10.1.2 states. However, it can’t be told clearly when watching the replay at 0:16 of the video above. -
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Orro kicked the ball at the free zone, ie. outside the antenna.Here’s the FIVB rules:
9. Each team must play within its own playing area and space (except Rule 10.1.2). The ball may, however, be retrieved from beyond its own free zone and over the scoring table in its complete extension.
10.1.2 The ball that has crossed the net plane to the opponent's free zone totally or partly through the external space, may be played back within the team hits, provided that:
10.1.2.1 the opponent's court is not touched by the player;
10.1.2.2 the ball, when played back, crosses the net plane again totally or partly through the external space on the same side of the court.
The opponent team may not prevent such action.
So the question was, whether the ball Milano blocked and travelled to Casa’s free zone was “totally or partly through the external space” as Rule 10.1.2 states. However, it can’t be told clearly when watching the replay at 0:16 of the video above.Mmmm interesting - I always thought it has to be TOTALLY through the external space not partly.
However, if Frantti played that ball (which she absolutely could have) and if we agree that the ball was crossing the net plane partially (i.e. right above antenna), doesn't that mean Milano hit the ball "out" because it "hit" the virtual antenna?
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Mmmm interesting - I always thought it has to be TOTALLY through the external space not partly.
However, if Frantti played that ball (which she absolutely could have) and if we agree that the ball was crossing the net plane partially (i.e. right above antenna), doesn't that mean Milano hit the ball "out" because it "hit" the virtual antenna?
The virtual extension of the antenna refers only as a space limitation for the regular transition of the ball to the other side, not to the contact of the ball with the antenna as an automatic out. It's about touching the object and disrupting the flight of the ball.
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Frantti has a very weak character. A simple injury was enough to make her really bad for a lot of time. Vakif made a bad choice again.
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The virtual extension of the antenna refers only as a space limitation for the regular transition of the ball to the other side, not to the contact of the ball with the antenna as an automatic out. It's about touching the object and disrupting the flight of the ball.
So you're saying that ball was legal and both Frantti and Orro were allowed to play that ball?
What if both Frantti and Orro went for that ball and touched the ball at the same time? That rule just doesn't make sense to me
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Frantti has a very weak character. A simple injury was enough to make her really bad for a lot of time. Vakif made a bad choice again.
what a dumb post
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What do u think of Dimitrova future?Is she going to renew?
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So you're saying that ball was legal and both Frantti and Orro were allowed to play that ball?
What if both Frantti and Orro went for that ball and touched the ball at the same time? That rule just doesn't make sense to me
I can't say with 100% because for that we need behind the court angle, but it looks like that ball (from block) wasn't entirely between the antenas, so yes that ball was legal to play for Milano's players.
That's interesting question. If that ball from Milano's block pass (at least partly) outside of antena to the other side, Frantti isn't allowed to interfere with the action of saving that ball, but if she continue to play and save that ball from clear out to prolonged the action i guess it is legal move and doesn't count as distraction (but we should admit that it makes no sense for someone to play a ball that goes out).
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So you're saying that ball was legal and both Frantti and Orro were allowed to play that ball?
What if both Frantti and Orro went for that ball and touched the ball at the same time? That rule just doesn't make sense to me
I'm not sure but I think Frantti is "not allowed" to play the ball, not that it would be a fault but as the ball was outside of the antenna limitations (even if partially) that ball is technically out (unless someone from the opposite team goes to save it) so the rally would stop? If she were to touch the ball at the same time as Orro, that would be an obstruction fault
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I can't say with 100% because for that we need behind the court angle, but it looks like that ball (from block) wasn't entirely between the antenas, so yes that ball was legal to play for Milano's players.
That's interesting question. If that ball from Milano's block pass (at least partly) outside of antena to the other side, Frantti isn't allowed to interfere with the action of saving that ball, but if she continue to play and save that ball from clear out to prolonged the action i guess it is legal move and doesn't count as distraction (but we should admit that it makes no sense for someone to play a ball that goes out).
Mmmmm a very grey area of this rule indeed - the ball could well be spinning heavily and go into court (not in this case)
I just don't agree that the ball should be able to partly cross the net plane and should completely go outside the antenna in order to be retrieved but oh well...
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I'm not sure but I think Frantti is "not allowed" to play the ball, not that it would be a fault but as the ball was outside of the antenna limitations (even if partially) that ball is technically out (unless someone from the opposite team goes to save it) so the rally would stop? If she were to touch the ball at the same time as Orro, that would be an obstruction fault
And if the block generated heavy side spin and spin back into her court what would she be supposed to do?
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And if the block generated heavy side spin and spin back into her court when would she be supposed to do?
That should be still a point for her team even if the ball touches the ground, as the ball went to her court out of the "crossing space" (even if partially)
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Mmmmm a very grey area of this rule indeed - the ball could well be spinning heavily and go into court (not in this case)
I just don't agree that the ball should be able to partly cross the net plane and should completely go outside the antenna in order to be retrieved but oh well...
Yes but even that ball which have insane spin and fall down into the court, it will be out (out of antena still), so again no reason for player on that side to go on that ball, otoh if the ball spin that much, the opponent will certainly not be able to save the ball because it would have to step on the opponent court side (clearly ilegal).
But yeah i agree that partly part could be a bit problematic (it is basically one situation), still that situation is like 1 in milion on probability scale so it really have no grounding in reality, all those situations we are currently talking about are quite unrealistic, basically it just need to know the rules.
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Italian comment just confirmed (Barbolini told them) Zhu is having physical issues and hasn't been fully training in the last couple of days
Zhu has a stiff neck.
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any link for Monza Casalmaggiore?
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