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Italian Women's NT 2023

    Quote from crovolley

    Everything is better than Mazzanti right now….


    Coach what right now needs to do is invite all players back, let them train together whole summer and to play full VNL.
    And team is gone look better than what We have now…

    I don't agree at all...

    The names circulating now (Velasco and Mencarelli are the main ones) are very low-profile names for women's senior volleyball and they are coaches who, in managing the group, would not give any more guarantees than Mazzanti ...

    Clearly desperate solutions: we would only get the result of not seeing that stupid smile anymore, but the problems would all remain...

    Quote from Sentenza_69

    I don't agree at all...

    The names circulating now (Velasco and Mencarelli are the main ones) are very low-profile names for women's senior volleyball and they are coaches who, in managing the group, would not give any more guarantees than Mazzanti ...

    Clearly desperate solutions: we would only get the result of not seeing that stupid smile anymore, but the problems would all remain...

    Exactly. ;)

    italy played really good against but Türkiye and Vargas did better. They can improve their game in one year.


    if only they solve the issue between Mazzanti and Egonu they will be one of the three biggest favorite to win next Olympics, but I guess that's almost impossible.

    Quote from Sentenza_69

    I don't agree at all...

    The names circulating now (Velasco and Mencarelli are the main ones) are very low-profile names for women's senior volleyball and they are coaches who, in managing the group, would not give any more guarantees than Mazzanti ...

    Clearly desperate solutions: we would only get the result of not seeing that stupid smile anymore, but the problems would all remain...

    Why would Velasco still be considered? isn't that man ancient.... what is he like 80 or something

    Quote from Metro Volleyball

    Why would Velasco still be considered? isn't that man ancient.... what is he like 80 or something

    He is “only” two years older than Ze lol

    Or the Busto coach they referred to is Musso? It’d be the best news to Italian fans if that’s the case.


    Imo anyone that can bring back all the best players back can lead this team better than the current clown. With Egonu, Bosetti, MDG back and Antropova & Fesino as back up, they can always be medal contender even if playing w/o a coach.

    Quote from KVB

    He is “only” two years older than Ze lol

    Or the Busto coach they referred to is Musso? It’d be the best news to Italian fans if that’s the case.


    Imo anyone that can bring back all the best players back can lead this team better than the current clown. With Egonu, Bosetti, MDG back and Antropova & Fesino as back up, they can always be medal contender even if playing w/o a coach.

    Musso is now the coach. of Cassalmaggiore.

    Quote from KVB

    He is “only” two years older than Ze lol

    Or the Busto coach they referred to is Musso? It’d be the best news to Italian fans if that’s the case.


    Imo anyone that can bring back all the best players back can lead this team better than the current clown. With Egonu, Bosetti, MDG back and Antropova & Fesino as back up, they can always be medal contender even if playing w/o a coach.

    i think they're already considering a replacement for Mazzanti. He's too arrogant to swallow his ego to bring back the players he didn't like and Italy knows there is indeed no party without Egonu. that's why they said they will make a decision after the OQT. if they really didn't care about Egonu, they wouldn't even negotiate. they'll just drop her completely.

    Quote from Metro Volleyball

    Why would Velasco still be considered?

    He's the greatest 'Italian' coach ever and worked for a federation for four years recently, so he certainly has decent contacts with the front office. Whether it makes sense or not sports-wise (and whether it is true to start with) is another question (it's a weird fit, he hasn't worked with women for over 20 years now), but if Mazzanti actually gets fired, Italy has no great candidate to be honest, so every option sounds shaky (obv not saying Velasco would be the best option).

    Quote from Sentenza_69

    I don't agree at all...

    The names circulating now (Velasco and Mencarelli are the main ones) are very low-profile names for women's senior volleyball and they are coaches who, in managing the group, would not give any more guarantees than Mazzanti ...

    Clearly desperate solutions: we would only get the result of not seeing that stupid smile anymore, but the problems would all remain...

    I wonder who came up with these names, because they really have boutade written all over them. Maybe a journalist who thinks he's funny? I mean, it's not a case if Velasco is coaching a team in real struggle like Busto and it's not a case if Mencarelli stuck with youth teams after his 2012-2014 stint.

    Quote from side.out

    I wonder who came up with these names, because they really have boutade written all over them. Maybe a journalist who thinks he's funny? I mean, it's not a case if Velasco is coaching a team in real struggle like Busto and it's not a case if Mencarelli stuck with youth teams after his 2012-2014 stint.

    Those names are around because both of them already have a relationship with/work for the federation, so they are the easiest solutions given the limitations of no club coaching required

    Quote from side.out

    We can't afford patches, we need a complete overhaul. They know better than we do.

    Time is very short and anyone will be better than the current clown. If all the top players return to the team and work well in the preparation period + VNL next year the Italians can easily win the Olympic medal. The more so, since now with a broken and poorly prepared team without a few important elements they were close to defeat Turkey in the 1/2. That's why I think the experienced Velasco wouldn't be a bad option. This team needs peace and stability not more revolutions and upheavals. The time for a thorough renovation and a new opening will come after 2024.

    Looking at this from outside I think that all the options named could be better than the current situation, there is no environment to build anything with Davide, he already lost.


    Italy has been among the top teams in the world for 20 years now, they have the audience, the money, the tradition, the techinique, a good group of players with potential in every position, and especially, they have not one of the best players of this time, but of all time, you can't miss this because a coach cannot coach.


    I took what happened with the Brazil NT in 2001 as an example. When Motta took over as head coach when Bernardo went to men's team.


    Marco failed in all the championships, some experienced players were cut, and things exploded when, after Montreux in 2002, Fofão, Erika, Walewska, Elizângela, Raquel and Virna asked to be released from the national team.


    The team that went to the World Championship was basically made up of very young athletes. The players essentially criticized Motta's method of work, the confederation insisted, but after another failure at the 2003 Grand Prix the situation became untenable, and he resigned shortly before the South American Championship and the World Cup that would give places to Athens.


    Result: Brazil qualified for the Olympics, finishing second in the World Cup, having lost only one match to China, which would become Olympic champion next year. Motta practically left saying that the players were crazy and that Venturini led the mutiny against him, certainly Venturini was not a saint, but ZRG at that time was much more energetic and aggressive, so when he took over he had the group in his hands.

    Just like what i said two weeks ago, italian media say other members of the Italian national team dont like Egonu much since people all the time talk about Egonu, not about the team success. it seems they dont like her superstar aura.


    some here were calling me hater :hit:

    Quote from MTS

    Just like what i said two weeks ago, italian media say other members of the Italian national team dont like Egonu much since people all the time talk about Egonu, not about the team success. it seems they dont like her superstar aura.


    some here were calling me hater :hit:

    This is not what the article says... It's a free interpretation and also very forced...


    This is what the newspaper says:


    "The world bronze medal was overshadowed in the media by the Egonu case, which her teammates did not like, accusing (for months) journalists and professionals of having overshadowed the feat to dedicate rivers of words only and exclusively to Paola's story."


    The fact that the girls "don't like her superstar aura" is an implication made by the author of the tweet: the girls were angry with the journalists, none of them have ever released interviews against Egonu...

    Quote from MTS

    Just like what i said two weeks ago, italian media say other members of the Italian national team dont like Egonu much since people all the time talk about Egonu, not about the team success. it seems they dont like her superstar aura.


    some here were calling me hater :hit:

    It's probably more of the constant media reiterating that Italy is nothing without Egonu. while that is true to some extent, you have to remember that this is also a team game. so her teammates probably feel that their contributions are being invalidated because the media keeps on saying "it's egonu" bla bla bla.

    not one of them would and have openly said or even implied that they don't like Egonu

    Quote from Rhaemon

    It's probably more of the constant media reiterating that Italy is nothing without Egonu. while that is true to some extent, you have to remember that this is also a team game. so her teammates probably feel that their contributions are being invalidated because the media keeps on saying "it's egonu" bla bla bla.

    not one of them would and have openly said or even implied that they don't like Egonu



    you two really expect someone to say something like "I dont like Egonu"?




    what about the part where they say this italy can win without Egonu and support Mazzanti?


    I found the main article;


    "In short, there was the classic crisis of rejection."


    "Rumors spoke of a "magic circle" around Egonu made to disappear to isolate her from her historic alliances, with the hope that she could rediscover the lost harmony with the rest of the group. "



    considering your previous posts about some other topics, ı think you usually tend to make the problem in the Italian national team seem smaller, but it doesn't look like that from the outside.

    you're being carried by a sensationalized version that is often common in journalism (where they try to rationalize or explain some info that are not explicitly said). there maybe some problems within the team members but I don't think they would really hate someone who they know is 1/2 of their team