Turkey 2023

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The reason that I've called it far fetched hypothetical situation is that Egonu is only playing in turkey for half a season (unlike Vargas or Carutasu), she already plays in a NT that she can compete at high level international competitions (unlike Vargas or Carutasu). If turkey would really go for 'player shopping' they would try Boskovic probably rather than Egonu since Boskovic has been playing in turkey for many years, she loves the culture, Istanbul and she can even speak Turkish a bit. So she is a more likely candidate than Egonu to naturalize to Turkish in that sense. However player shopping doesn't really work in real life. Players are not slaves and do have freewills to decide not to accept any offer coming to their ways. Even clubs can not sign with any player they want even after offering them shit loads of money, let alone a federation could force a player to naturalize. Only thing a federation can do is to make an attractive offer to a player and then it is up to the player to accept it or not. A player can accept to be naturalized or herself can demand it. There could be several reasons:

1. Pragmatical reasons: her current NT doesn't participate international tournaments (Cuba, Russia) or her current NT is a weak one that she can't participate to big tournaments like Olympics or WCh (carutasu from Romania, Haak from Sweden or Jack from Trinidad & Tobago, Mihajlovic from Bosnia and Herzegovina)
2. Sentimental reasons: she married with someone from the prospective country (Natalia hanikoglu from the past, Sinead Jack's current situation, even Leon could be considered in this category). Or she played in that country for many years and feels close to the culture (Carutasu, Sorokaite, Costagrande)

It is not necessarily be only one of these two reasons, indeed it is mostly a combination of two. And at certain cases a player decides to be naturalized, like Carutasu or Vargas and at certain cases they don't want to, like Haak from Sweden, Boskovic from Serbia.

All in all Turkey is not forcing anyone to naturalize, they are just use their resources to get their program the best success which is something all federations do. Also we should keep in mind that, in naturalization cases mostly clubs are heavily involved too since they have a big incentive as using that player as local, so it is not only Federations initiating or driving the process.

I don't expect turkey to naturalize more players unless clubs propose it to use their players as locals. The only one I can imagine being possibly naturalized in the future could be Arina if Russia's ban from international tournaments would be prolonged further. She is very young and too good to be excluded from international tournaments. And she has already played in turkey for a while. But this is only my speculation/wishful thinking. I didn't hear any rumours about this possibility.

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A very fine post. I have some quibbles here and there, but I won't do it, because such a well-constructed argument deserves to be encouraged, and by contrast shit some of your compatriots have thrown here to be discouraged so kudos from me.

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and looking at Italy, half of the representatives are not of native Italian origin.

Just to cut short any going off on this tangent, any post on this will be deleted, first because it's off topic, and second because it's almost literally opening a whole another can of worms, and this thread doesn't need any more passion right now. So fair warning.

Osman Uraner(a Turkish coach who hates Guidetti to hate) says that Gui was earning 175k euros.

Italian source confirmed that Santarelli will get 200k and bonuses.

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A very fine post. I have some quibbles here and there, but I won't do it, because such a well-constructed argument deserves to be encouraged, and by contrast shit some of your compatriots have thrown here to be discouraged so kudos from me.

Thanks Janko, my posts sometime might give hate and love vibes to some Serbian users but you guys are some of my favorites in this forum. 😂

Shall we go back to talking about Turkey and its national team? Some people are saying that ebrar can play wing-spiker, but if she comes back, who would be the second opposite? Please, I don't want to see meryem anymore.

How is burcu in Germany? Yagmur in Hungary? Is Dalia Wilson playing somewhere? Did she naturalize in the USA?

Also, I'm very curious about santarelli's relationship with the more mature players like naz, eda, neriman, gizem orge and asli, as well as whether he will give chances to players who have recently been in the U20 - U18.

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Is Dalia Wilson playing somewhere? Did she naturalize in the USA?

she's not playing. (well she's on a team, but not playing)

I really want to know what is the stuff of the Santarelli. Will he come with the Italian coaches or call some Turkish coaches? Dehrican Dehrioğlu must be in the stuff.

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Shall we go back to talking about Turkey and its national team? Some people are saying that ebrar can play wing-spiker, but if she comes back, who would be the second opposite? Please, I don't want to see meryem anymore.

How is burcu in Germany? Yagmur in Hungary? Is Dalia Wilson playing somewhere? Did she naturalize in the USA?

Also, I'm very curious about santarelli's relationship with the more mature players like naz, eda, neriman, gizem orge and asli, as well as whether he will give chances to players who have recently been in the U20 - U18.

Gizem orge and Naz are the most crucial ones. Gizem orge has a beer with gio but I don't think naz's reason was Gui, so she probably wouldn't be back. Would love to be wrong🤞🙏

I know a lot of players have beef with Gio but honestly who are the real ones that will be useful going forward?

Only Gizem Orge in my mind. Not Kubra or Neriman IMO

I guess we can wish Santarelli to transform Tugba to become another Sara Lozo

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How is burcu in Germany?

Not as disastrous as I feared she might be, but also far from being a serious candidate for Turkey NT IMO. She had some solid games and some weak ones, but then, she plays for a team whose coach wants a lot of balance in attack and the tendency is that the OHs have more responsability in attack than the OPP.

About the coach situation, all I have to say is that I'm very disappointed of Santarelli. I didn't expect him to put money above everything else, but maybe my view of the world is too naive sometimes...

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Basically if your Cuban and can’t play for your NT for any reason, then I get it might be upsetting but getting any nationality to play in OG or WCH or whatever is a joke.

Why? Maybe for you because of your nationalist sentiment. But newsflash it's 2023 and most people don't care. It's not too much different from anyone else moving to another country to start a career and learn and be part of a new culture.

Being born in a certain country being the only reason you can't play at the highest level seems much more unfair to me.

Yes, it would be problematic and unfair if federations used this to naturalize many talents instead of building on their own local pool of players, but we have healthy laws which make that impossible...

I noticed that dalia wilson is in turkey again and recently shared a video from her eczacibasi days. She seems to wander around several countries (I've seen her in Turkey, Serbia and USA). Does she have bad career management? will she definitely return to turkey?

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I know a lot of players have beef with Gio but honestly who are the real ones that will be useful going forward?

Only Gizem Orge in my mind. Not Kubra or Neriman IMO

i really think nerim can be useful for NT. Considering the level of Turkish wing-spikers, I think neriman is above most of them. I find it very useful, especially if derya fails to establish itself, as derya and neriman theoretically have similar attributes. We would need to see how neriman would fit in with this team, as well as his reception, which has always been his problem.

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I noticed that dalia wilson is in turkey again and recently shared a video from her eczacibasi days. She seems to wander around several countries (I've seen her in Turkey, Serbia and USA). Does she have bad career management? will she definitely return to turkey?

She studies in US. Currently they have winter break. That's probably why she's in Turkey

Why is Dalia not playing in her uni? She was so talented and then the drama about her position happened and nothing about any of her moves make sense since.

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Why is Dalia not playing in her uni? She was so talented and then the drama about her position happened and nothing about any of her moves make sense since.

She is training with BJK according to her instagram?

Her transition from MB to OPP isn't going as smooth as she expected probably. Altinli

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What he said may be wrong and oversimplified but how is it eurocentric? Care to explain your line of reasoning?

I did not have time to reply during the day and it's all water under the bridge now, but I did not want to leave you without a reply. My reasoning is based on not only eurocentrism but also on post-colonialism, maybe it is too academic to discuss this here, though I would love to discuss this issue if we somehow encounter at a conference or so....but to simplify, every European country does naturalization or considers themselves having the right to do so...but when Turkiye does that ( I know TR is part of CEV, but it is a Eurasian country, not every user here considers TR as European) everyone criticizes as we have seen past 24 hours. Sorry for being a bit.

Tbh negative hijacking of this thread with that agenda the past few days was an ugly sight, especially with how manipulative it was.

I like Serbian NT, bcs I generally liked the country and the girls are well known and loved in Turkey, but... All I will say; let's remember the last NT TVF stole a coach from and how much they fell out on the international scene. Could care less at this point.