Turkey - Vodafone Sultanlar Ligi 2025-2026

    Quote from runnerupster

    It's not off-topic, it's directly about the subject you're discussing, anyway, it doesn't matter what's older. It's the same principle and this idea is hyper-nationalist and kind of impossible to manage in modern times. Is the reverse also true, do you not want anyone that isn't fully ethnically Serbian to represent Serbia? Should the Roma admixture players go represent India? Your idea is less about nation states and completely based on ethnicity, that is not how people today represent countries. Champions Italy NT had a Nigerian player, a Russian player, a German player and the majority wasn't even naturalized...


    What we consider to be Turkish or Serbian or anything else in the international stage are people born within the borders of these states or sometimes when the parents were born within the borders, this isn't based on my opinion or what I feel (cause I personally don't even identify with the idea lol) but simple facts. Anything other than that is not relevant and leaves endless hypocritical loopholes that we can discuss but they still won't matter.

    But if you take ethnicity out of story, than there is no connection between Bosnia and Turkiye. Than is the same if Vakif make camps in Cuba

    Quote from volleySrb

    But if you take ethnicity out of story, than there is no connection between Bosnia and Turkiye. Than is the same if Vakif make camps in Cuba

    Yes, I wouldn't consider that more or less logical. I don't support Vakif going to Bosnia lol, they should help Bosnia rebuild their own academies for their own country if they care so much and give them double citizenship solely for playing in the league without boundaries. That would be more of a deal honoring old brotherhoods than what's happening now

    Quote from runnerupster

    It's not off-topic, it's directly about the subject you're discussing, anyway, it doesn't matter what's older. It's the same principle and this idea is hyper-nationalist and kind of impossible to manage in modern times. Is the reverse also true, do you not want anyone that isn't fully ethnically Serbian to represent Serbia? Should the Roma admixture players go represent India? Your idea is less about nation states and completely based on ethnicity, that is not how people today represent countries. Champions Italy NT had a Nigerian player, a Russian player, a German player and the majority wasn't even naturalized...


    What we consider to be Turkish or Serbian or anything else in the international stage are people born within the borders of these states or sometimes when the parents were born within the borders, this isn't based on my opinion or what I feel (cause I personally don't even identify with the idea lol) but simple facts. Anything other than that is not relevant and leaves endless hypocritical loopholes that we can discuss but they still won't matter.

    I partially get what you are trying to say. But there is a big difference when it comes to Bosnia cause it is by definition not a nation state.

    I’m gonna give 2 examples to explain what I mean.


    Montenegro has like 50% of population being ethnic Serbs, but their nation state is Montenegro and they represent Montenegro in sport. That comes from a long history of Montenegro which at its foundation was another medieval Serbian state next to Rascia (modern day Serbia). The distinction only came with Ottomans when Serbia as such was conquered and part of empire while Montenegro was never fully conquered, so history shaped it to be 2 states but same people.. and Serbs represent Montenegro logically.


    Now when it comes to Bosnia, Serbs of Bosnia don’t have the same feeling cause Bosnian identity is often connected to Bosniaks. War and all of that played huge part and now Bosnia has basically state within a state and separate administration for Serbs within it.

    Serbs in Bosnia largely don’t feel like representing the country represents their nation, unfortunatelly. That’s why most of them represent Serbia (Boskovic, Mihajlovic) even now 30 years after war ended and situation is chill between Bosniak and Serbian communities in Bosnia.

    Think of it as if Turk born in Bulgaria or Greece wanted to represent Turkey.
    Even better think of a Turk born in Northern Cyprus, they are very unlikely to represent Cyprus as a whole and would rather choose to represent Turkey I guess.


    It’s Balkans, it’s complicated :lol: any other people reading this would be like wtf is going on there.


    I wouldn’t have a problem if any Turk born outside of Turkey wanted to represent it, or if they choose to represent countey they were born in that’s also valid.

    As well, if Serbs from Bosnia want to represent Serbia or they wanted to represebt Bosnia both is cool.


    But regruting young people from another country and nation and making basically sports colonies, that I can’t agree with.

    I mean this feels like “oh they can’t train themselves, let us bring in the money and come to us, we will give you better opportunities”.. it’s like saying “Africans don’t know what to do with their diamonds, let us bring in the money and give that diamonds an opportunity to be seen- in the UK”

    Vakıfbank is investing volleyball a lot more than any club. I dont think TVF is behind of this. Now a days, relation between Vakıfbank and TVF is not that good. TVF is close to Fenerbahçe. Anyways Vakıfbank is just caring for themselves. If they can find some talented young Bosnians, they will offer passport and invite to Turkey. Of course this will effect Turkish NT very positively.

    Quote from volleySrb

    There is no bosnian players in Serbia, only serbians born in bosnia. So disliking this vakifbank move have nothing to do with our NT. Our players already refused turkish passports as tvit said.

    Sure:S


    They are also Turkish people born in Bosnia.


    By the way did you think it was a sad move for Serbia when Serbian federation tried so hard to give passport to Vargas?😂

    I can’t with all posts about Orro on Fener socials :rolll:


    They represent her as saviour and in just few weeks, fans are gone be mad as fck. Especially when She starts to kill her players with her sets in zone 4. :whistle:

    I understand why people who actually understand the basic things dislikes Orro. Things are so easy for her and unfair for dozen of players that are better than her but nobody could deny so much fame if they give it to them.

    Anyway she is so lucky in a way that make me think that she will got away even in Fener and the fans will find an other scapegoat like Gizem or Hande.


    PS: The craziest thing is that all bookmakers favours Fener against Vakif.... There is no way a team with Arina and especially with Orro and Hande to win VB. Not only they are worst almost in every position but the most important thing is that there is no way this trio will be able to handle the pressure and adapt in the crazy level of competitiveness that Vakif presents when they play for the trophies.... NO WAY.


    PS: It's one of the few times that we know where a players is going to continue her career when her club will not renew her contract. For a player with Orro's ''calliber'' there is only one possible option... Scandicci.

    Actually I do think Fener has chance over Vakif in domestic league but in CL Vakifbank looks stronger.

    For Turkish CUPs everything is gone be open between this two clubs and they are gone play all finals against each others. Gap is just to big against everyone else.


    So I’m not surprised by bookmarks predicition…

    Quote from crovolley

    Actually I do think Fener has chance over Vakif in domestic league but in CL Vakifbank looks stronger.

    For Turkish CUPs everything is gone be open between this two clubs and they are gone play all finals against each others. Gap is just to big against everyone else.


    So I’m not surprised by bookmarks predicition…

    No the gap is big. They humiliated them the previous season while they were much weaker than this season. This season Vakif has made a huge upgrade and Fener became even weaker and technically but mostly mentally.

    Fener has no chance against Vakif, unless injuries happen.


    I can see already Orro sending Vargas to death with her awful sets to pos 2. She’s far better than Egonu OOS and at finding solutions for bad sets, but no one could be consistent with that bad setting... Arina's passing... Hande being their crucial player for the foreign limititations. Lol. No way.


    Only question mark to me is Boskovic. She’s not as dominant as she used to be. And I'm curios to watch her inside a system where she has no longer to carry the team the whole time. She usually had at best a second voice in her team (Brankica in NT and the foreign OH in Eczacibasi), with the middles scoring occasionally. Vakif usually plays involving all players as much as possible. Some pure spikers struggle to feel the game when they don't carry the team.

    Quote from crovolley

    Actually I do think Fener has chance over Vakif in domestic league but in CL Vakifbank looks stronger.

    For Turkish CUPs everything is gone be open between this two clubs and they are gone play all finals against each others. Gap is just to big against everyone else.


    So I’m not surprised by bookmarks predicition…

    Vakif should be favoured easily this season cause they have equal or better team position by position (except libero)


    Last year Vakif won with either Derya or Bosetti playing next to Markova, Cazaute is HUGE improvement over either of them.
    KVR performed like legit top OP (top4) in finals, Boskovic IS the top4 OP.


    Quote from VBdiamond

    I can see already Orro sending Vargas to death with her awful sets to pos 2. She’s far better than Egonu OOS and at finding solutions for bad sets, but no one could be consistent with that bad setting... Arina's passing... Hande being their crucial player for the foreign limititations. Lol. No way.

    Not to mention that Fener’s passing and balls in transition are much worse then Milano’s

    Orro can be good in system, but she starts getting real chaotic when she has to run.

    Add to that the fact that they just hired new coach to run the team that has huge potential but SO MANY question marks. Firing Terzic who basically built the core of this team and system they play was a mistake, Fener has really been going downfall since then.

    They failed big time against inferior Milano in 2023/24 CL and barely won Turkish finals in 5 games against Eczacibasi that was clearly inferior team. Whole 2024/25 season was a fail. Orro isn’t gonna solve anything for them.

    Quote from serdar

    Since when you dislike orro? Let me guess, since she transferred to turkey?😂

    This is not disliking her, I find it funny how Fener introduce her as someone who is gone won it all almost by herself.


    She is great blocker, server and for the setter She has amazing defence. But She is someone who can kill her players with her shaky, low and fast sets… So good luck with her.