I gave Zeren as an example to those, who frequently says 'when it really matters'. That match was one of the most important matches for both teams for 4th place and GS clearly defeated them in that match (2nd match)
And how come then if Galatasaray beat them for 4th place that Zeren ended up 3rd and Galatasaray 5th LMAO..
Yeah they defenitely terminated Zeren as you initially said hahahahhaha, nevermind it’s pointless to argue with you
I think Ilkin is overall a solid player; but has some limitations (especially physically). The problem is that GS’s game relies on her too much; as if she was Gabi.
I also observed that she starts the seasons rather strong but drops towards end, where obviously more important games take place. This year for example, they brought Lukasik and Frantti but Ilkin played like non-stop. What’s the point of bringing those players if you’re not gonna use them?
For next season, they should definitely rotate Ilkin, Sylla and a good 3rd OH.
this actually shouldn’t be encouraged. Continue playing on with injuries can make those injuries worse, it’s not good for anyone’s health and life after top volleyball.
That is correct, however if you have 4 key OHs in the team and all are having different type and level of injuries(3 at least at the same time), what else can you do? Aslı is not strong as others. Even if you get Grobelna and Alexia, the OPPs on the court playing in the corners at the same time, none of them are good as İlkin at reception and defence. Also in that case you need to play with Naz and at that time Naz also had minor injury. Sooo had no other choice. This is not good of course...
And how come then if Galatasaray beat them for 4th place that Zeren ended up 3rd and Galatasaray 5th LMAO..
Yeah they defenitely terminated Zeren as you initially said hahahahhaha, nevermind it’s pointless to argue with you
I had no expectation from you to understand. The match between GS/Zeren was in the 23rd round. Season ended in 26th round. 4 matches along with that critical match till the end of the season. Zeren's loss of 2 match would change things. Right after Zeren, GS lost to Ecza and finally, they were on the court in the 26th round to Göztepe with bench players. Zeren din't make any mistake in the remaining 3 matches. That is why I mentioned the importance of the match between GS vs Zeren. In fact, GS lost to Nilufer which ended up with firing Barbo and from that moment onwards, they reduced the chance to get into top 4 (following 2 set loss against Beşiktaş). This competition was not only with Zeren but also with Ecza.
Anyway, as I said, I do not expect from you to understand all these, the excitement of the Turkish League with your biased mind. You can keep laughing in the air on your own.
Yes sometimes good Players have bad matches but come on lol the Ilkin defending is becoming embarrassing she’s literally bad 85 percent of the time she plays in important matches for YEARS now. She is always flopping when it matters badly
The problem on this forum is, some guys trying to find all over excuses when their favorite players plays bad, blaming setters receivers etc., but dont hesitate a second to bash any turkish player when they play bad. Its not about Ilkin.
The problem on this forum is all of the egos who are so easily and predictably triggered and agitated… and respond with provocation and ragebait, leading to an endless cluster-f***. And it’s always the same users who can’t help themselves, or at least have enough control to behave like adults.
Yes sometimes good Players have bad matches but come on lol the Ilkin defending is becoming embarrassing she’s literally bad 85 percent of the time she plays in important matches for YEARS now. She is always flopping when it matters badly
Yeah sure as if what you say is credible at all. Couple of weeks ago, you were claiming Zehra and Cansu were done players based on a few bad games. 
You exaggerate bad games as much as Crovolley and write off players so easily🤦 ilkin had bad games but a lot of good ones too. There are many games uzelac flipped badly but it doesn't make her a bad player and I won't exaggerate like 90% of games she was terrible. İlkin is one of the best receivers and defenders of the league. Also she was the best blocker after Bakema among non-mb players. Her attack has ups and downs but she had to play whole season with multiple injuries without any breaks. She took the responsibility and delivered. Overall season for GS wasn't good, they won all the games they should and lost most of the games against better teams. İlkin overall played better than Sylla for example when you compare whole season performance instead 1 or 2 games you are trying base your narrative🤦
The problem on this forum is, some guys trying to find all over excuses when their favorite players plays bad, blaming setters receivers etc., but dont hesitate a second to bash any turkish player when they play bad. Its not about Ilkin.
That's so true about Madden. You can't find one single comment about boskovic playing bad but there is always 100 reasons why it is not her fault. It could be that setter sets her too many sets, or not enough sets or too many oos sets or too many in system sets, or outsides don't support her bla bla bla, there's always an excuse for her favorites but when it comes to a Turkish player, she bashes them after any single bad game , go figure🤦
I think Ilkin is a fine to even sometimes pretty good player but anyway who’s denying she is pretty much absolutely awful offensively in like nearly every big match she plays is blind. Like it’s every single year
I think Ilkin is overall a solid player; but has some limitations (especially physically). The problem is that GS’s game relies on her too much; as if she was Gabi.
I also observed that she starts the seasons rather strong but drops towards end, where obviously more important games take place. This year for example, they brought Lukasik and Frantti but Ilkin played like non-stop. What’s the point of bringing those players if you’re not gonna use them?
For next season, they should definitely rotate Ilkin, Sylla and a good 3rd OH.
They always build a team around her, idk why honestly. Like someone said why wouldn't you sub in Frantti and Lukasik more throughout the season, she is good but not elite, it's not the first season GS does this. They always have a decent budget but limit themselves honestly. Yes, they don't have Vakıf money but they rarely perform surprisingly well either, I find their rivalry with FB funny cause they're actually two sides of the same coin. Both are good teams in their budget range but don't ever reach that next level and over perform. At least FB has a CL title and league title but saying this will get me bashed 😂
They always build a team around her, idk why honestly. Like someone said why wouldn't you sub in Frantti and Lukasik more throughout the season, she is good but not elite, it's not the first season GS does this. They always have a decent budget but limit themselves honestly. Yes, they don't have Vakıf money but they rarely perform surprisingly well either, I find their rivalry with FB funny cause they're actually two sides of the same coin. Both are good teams in their budget range but don't ever reach that next level and over perform. At least FB has a CL title and league title but saying this will get me bashed 😂
Everyone was injured for months, how could they replace Ilkin. She is attacking 50 sets per game whole season and of course she is worn out at the of season. If Sylla, lukasik and frantti weren't injured whole season long, of course she would have more rest and be ready for playoffs
Yeah sure as if what you say is credible at all. Couple of weeks ago, you were claiming Zehra and Cansu were done players based on a few bad games.
Really very good points summarizing the case but still some guys seems not understanding any single point of it. I can understand someone personally hating from her, because of believing to injustice decision for their favorite player at NT.
Some others having a wishful thinking to eliminate her by bashing hardly, since she used to be one of the key players for both her team and NT since 2023 and not willing to see her as an opponent in good shape.
The other group is local troll fans with a mask of GS, doing the same thing to Alexia and even to Sylla, Bongaerts and Eylül as well. In addition to all, a few program producers in Türkiye having obsessive and negative feeling against her, because of her personal and political thoughts. As much as they bash her, she comes back stronger. From 2023 onwards she was the local highest scorer OH in 2023, 2024 and 2025 consistently and is the 2nd Local highest scorer OH after Ebrar in 2026. What an awful performance!!!!!
Another interesting thing is, one of the guys here, who is bashing her now, was saying a couple of month ago that, he is also the fan of hers as well. Criticising her is different but bashing her is something else. I also criticised her last night's game and not only that but particularly some matches in the last one and a half month's performance. This duration, covers Sultanlar League and CEV Cup as well.The sad part is, I can observe that, she is about to lose her self confidence at attack. Hope that, she can catch up her previous shape soonest possible.
After all these, I feel like we are wasting our time to say something to those, who don't have good will inside.
Nervini outplayed Ilkin.
President of Chieri gave info about Gala having way bigger budget.If I got ban I don’t why you didn’t. You are in fight with 10 different users. Vbdiamond showing how biase He is as moderator.
I just banned this user for good. At least he can now complain and have a point. I protected this troll for years, when the whole forum was asking me to ban him but now I am done. 
I just banned this user for good. At least he can now complain and have a point. I protected this troll for years, when the whole forum was asking me to ban him but now I am done.
Honestly Crovolley had grown on me over the years and he was always a vital part of the community and an active follower of the Italian league and CL.
He was always trolling and rage-baitey which I personally don't mind lol and do find funny at times, but he recently hasn't even been part of the community and seems to ONLY rage-bait which I do think is a difference between him and people like Madden and Serdar. So that's fair I guess, maybe he can come back sometime and be like his old self and less cocky and mix his trolling with actually watching matches. The Paris trips have gone to his head I fear 
I just banned this user for good. At least he can now complain and have a point. I protected this troll for years, when the whole forum was asking me to ban him but now I am done.
I don't interact with him (thank god) but you should probably just ban him for a week like the others. At least he actually watches/consumes volleyball religiously regardless of how extremely biased he is.
He does like taunting serdar the most though, definitely his fave user lmao. He doesn't even finish any of the fights he starts, he just wants to see serdar reply
Ban for good is too harsh. If 1 week did not worked on him in the past, 1 month ban would be enough.
He does like taunting serdar the most though, definitely his fave user lmao. He doesn't even finish any of the fights he starts, he just wants to see serdar reply
Cro is Serdar's biggest fan tbh 
Looking at him from many years, I would say that even a month wouldn't be enough Earlier praising Fabris too often, now focusing on how superior Italian league is and always numerous complaints on his behavior, for me enough is enough
If you miss him so much, I can open a topic for you guys where you can remember him and the old days of fights and drama. 
#RoastInPeace
Edit, here it is: In loving memory of Crovolley, the highlander of drama and fights.
Cro is Serdar's biggest fan tbh
I always thought they had a crush on each other
