Yeah, but in the end it could even have the opposite effect, maybe soon 1st referee will overrule that line referee even when he is right...
exactly!
that's what I meant, when I said these guys must be stupid. if a linesmen tries to help a team, he can only help them at critical position and only for close calls. if they rule for the local team everysingle time they can only hurt the local team
so once again these guys are either very very stupid, or very very bad
He's Turkish and he is truly embarassing, he should be removed from the game
The international referees wear the same uniforms as 1st and 2nd referee.
these guys are either very very stupid, or very very bad at judging.
Skowronska's attack in, linesman's hand up
oh come on.
don't be like that.
the ref called it in.
both teams lack concentration.
very weird game to watch.
Darnel 10 meter out attack and the point goes to Turkey!
you guys started to sound very funny.
neslihan's attack was called block out. the turkish linesmen called it out, the ref changed it to block out.
yesterday the linesmen were awful to say the least, but the refs were pretty good. they only made one critical mistake and fortunately that set was won by russia.
lets not start talking about refs before smth major happens
there are no words enough to describe how ivan has played this weekend.
he almost single handedly won the cup for fener.
Display MoreWell, already much has been discussed about the play-offs-system...but I just want to say it is a disgrace, in my opinion.
Deciding stages in only one match and no single advantage for the team that won the regular season...ridiculous
P.S. It is now concerning Fenerbahce, but I would have said the same, if Vakifbank, ECZ or any other team would have won the regular season
Turkish Federation should be ashamed to invent such a ridiculous system...
thank you.
that's all I said,
and was blamed for being biased because of that.
maybe people would understand what I meant when you write it.
Why not? I thought the team that finishes the regular season as leader gets a ticket for Champions League. This has changed too?
nothing has changed regarding the league ranking.
for 3(?) years now runner up is ranked second in the league.
so
1. winner of the finals -->CL
2. loser of the finals --> CL
3. FBU --> CEV cup
4. GS --> CEV cup
5. TED --> Challenge cup
note: since the remaining 4 teams in the cup finished the league in the first 4 ranks in the league, CEV cup ticket reserved for the cup winner becomes irrelevant here.
Who gest CL tickets? Finalists?
Fenerbahçe gets wild card?
ecz and vtt gets CL tickets.
fbu is awaiting for WC, which they'll most probably get. (of course nothing is certain yet)
I dont see any personal insults. You can believe in what you want. And just for your information, you dont need superstars in a team to be the best team in a world. VTT showed a great team spirit and won in two important matches agains Fenerbahce. Your message just shows you cannot accept critismsm but thats your problem. Take care what you say boy, were are not in a tea-time !
i am most probably among the oldest people in the forum, so u should be careful of whom you are calling a boy.
i consider being called "a person who doesn't love sports but colours" as an insult.
there is a thin line between criticism and insult, and you in my mind have crossed it.
besides no-where in my statements I blamed VTT or any other team, I like many have seen an unfairness and called it as it is. and as the authority responsible for this unfairness i blamed the federation.
why did you feel the need to defend them?
Previous year SFs were 3 of 2 and F was 5 of 3 so they reduced 1 one match per serie.Well you also can't claim that a roster with Duygu/Ipek and Yagmur is strong and unbeatable as Fener's CL roster so the chances were quite equal today.Seda is injured (Noone can't do anything here i wish her a quick recover) but please don't search always the fault outside.If today Fener had a good back-up for Seda probably Kim wouldn't take 70-80 sets and Fener would win this match.
so you claim a roster with melis, ergül and güldeniz is strong and unbeatable?
kidding of course..
you are twisting what i am trying to say.
what i am saying is that this system makes all the games played in regular season obsolete.
what advantage had fbu for winning 22 games without droppingö a single point?
this is ridiculous.
moreover what I am saying is that a single game elimination favors the weak (relatively of course).
i believe you can understand basic math.
lets say team a wins 8 out of 10 times against team b
in a single game system to eliminate team a team b has a chance of 20%
in a 3 game system they have 10,4% chance to eliminate team a. (basicaly 20%*20% + 80%*20%*20%*2, if i am not mistaken)
so a single game elimination system is favorable for the weaker team.
in short fbu instead of having an advantage had a disadvantage going to the post season.
of course this isn't the only reason why fbu lost the league.
but let me blame them when it is due.
No one who loves sport and no colour would not blame the federation ! What about the other teams ? Do they worry about that system ? Its not federations fault, its fenerbahces fault to loose
so we start with personal insults?
here we go then:
no one with even a minuscule amount of brains, would consider this system as fair.
guys I know myself well, don't confuse me with idiotic fanatical people.
I said well before the game this system sucks, not after fbu lost the game.
and it is not the same thing, this system is favorable for the weak and unfavorable for the strong. no matter who they are.
one game performances are traditionally important for cup games, not league games.
becoming the league champions should be about sustainable performance, not about one game.
if you can claim that vtt or ecz or gs is the best team in turkey right now, i'll give in and say that deserving team won it.
if you think fbu is the better team you should recognize the unfairness of the system. since league champions are considered best teams of that league.
and forgive me but when semifinals are played in a single game when finals are 3 games, that shows the stupidity or the bias of the federation
i am so angry right now, that i cannot gratulate vtt for the win.
even though they didn't make up this stupid system, they have won thanks to that.
so unfair.
not losing 2 sets in any game they have played in the league, fbu succumbs to the system with an unforeseeable injury happened during the game.
tvf should be very happy with their decisions, they made it very exciting.
fair ? who cares about that.
Yes sorry but for me not big difference (It is not because I trust Duygu or İpek so much, reason is probably Selime or Seray doesnot have same meaning as you have
)
if your arrivals are playing in the same conditions and still play well even in the case of injuries, it is not fair to blame federation. And having a good spiker as a bench player does not mean use them lik how Galatasaray used Seray
All in all, from my perspective it was soo obvious that they would have a big trouble in the case of Seda's injury, so it is a huge mistake to only trust Yağmur and hope no injury for seda (indeed she is known with her frequent injuries )
well as it stands, you and I have different opinions about some players. it reflects upon our views of fenerbahce's strategy.
also fbu still have a good chance (nearly as much as vakif does) to win this semis when seda suffered an injury during the game. so i believe you cannot in good faith say fbu never had a chance win the league even if seda had been missing the whole season with an injury sustained during the first part of the season.
Of course I am talking from a local perspective since the match is Turkish ChampionshipHaving good foreigner might be ok for european cups but in order to take a right for next year's cup they should care about Turkish Championship as well
Since FB is not a club having problems with budget, they could hire one more local spiker. It was so obvious that Yağmur is not in a level which would be compensated in such hard matches
And also having Duygu or İpek as a bench player (sometimes not even roster) is also same what Galatasaray does with Seray
come on serdar,
do you really think that duygu and ipek have the same potential as the aforementioned players? or are these two as much sought after as them?
I am painfully aware that they need to beg for a wc if they lose this game, for which I am blaming the federation.
you are right in saying that fbu would be a much better team if they had one more dominant spiker. i don't object to that. what i am saying is that it wouldn't be feasible both from the clubs and players ponit of views.
No they won't be third back up, just back up of Seda instead of Yağmur. Since Yağmur is neither a decent attacker nor receiver
You are looking at things with a local perspective. this team's main focus was the CL this year so this team was build considering mainly european competitions.
when you consider european games seda is the back up and any back up of her would be the third (or rather second) back up.
as for the turkish league with seda or not the rest of the team is more than enough for them to win the championship, given the time to adopt.
if they lose the league because of any injury happened during the only game they could be eliminated, i don't call it bad strategy, just poor luck.
transferring the players you have mentioned to fbu is foremost unfair to those players. if gs transferred seray knowing that she would be a back up, that's their fault.
i don't blame fbu, because they didn't do smth I consider to be a mistake.
Fenerbahçe is suffering from their bad transfer policy. They focus on foreigner transferring so much that they didn't sign a good back up spiker (Selime,Seray or Meryem would be helpful in such cases)
don't think so.
this year they had a better strategy.
you cannot blame a team not signing a decent third back up player when there are so few. the player you mentioned need to play and worth tons more to be left out on the bench, with the hope that they can play a few matches just in case there is a bad injury.
Fenerbahce does not have a real backup opposite?
sokolova and seda are the opposites.
what fener doesn't have is a decent turkish OH
