Posts by Groucho


    I can understand the perception that a title is a title :) but we shouldn't forget that modern volleyball started to be played after 1976 in Turkey.So in my opinion they are only a one time champion. Fenerbahçe competed in the second division quite a long time.In recent years they found the money and spent ridiculous money in volleyball standarts.None of their players is from their junior team.


    Modern volleyball started to be played after 64 in the world, so should we discount the world title holders before that?
    Actually some people might claim modern volleyball starts with 25 point rally system, then what.


    I am not saying those titles should be counted. However they should be, if there was some kind of competition system,and every team did have an equal shot to earn one.

    Hi, Please give me the sites from where you are in this league results and table.I'm looking for and I can not find anything.


    None of the sites I can recommend are really user-friendly, but here you go:


    official site for turkish volleyball federation
    google translate can help you there, though not so efficiently.
    Standings can be downloaded as .xls files from the link "1. Lig Puan" just below the calender.
    For the results: on the index page (original page) scroll down a bit. On the right hand side you'll see an apple(?) shaped volleyball and and a flashing link, "maç sonucu ve istatistik sitesi".
    this is the link for results and statistics page, where you have to chose a league to see the results and stats from the left hand site.
    In case you don't use a translator, "2010 1. Lig Bayanlar" and "2010 1.Lig Erkekler" translate to "2010 Women's 1. League" and "2010 Men's 1. League", respectively. Please note that these are results from year 2010, if you want to see the results of the games played in 2009 you have to chose either "2009 1.Lig Bayanlar" or "2009 1.Lig Erkekler". You can reach the stats by clicking the pdf icon next to the game results.


    Other sites;
    A volleyball site with news, pics, etc.


    On this site you can reach the full standings without the annoyance of downloading a .xls file. Just go the the "Puan Durumu" link and chose "1.Lig Puan Durumu".
    Quick translation for how to read the table.
    "O" is games played.
    "G" is games won.
    "M" is games lost.
    "AS" is sets won.
    "VS" is sets lost.
    "P" is Points.
    In turkish leagues the final standings are calculated by adding 5% of the points won by youth league teams. So on the right hand side of the standings table you see those points in yellow. ("GL" means youth league)


    just another site similar to the previous