Posts by brahmin

    Don't forget that the qualifying for the World Champions that was done last year has not even been counted into the World Rankings.


    Here are my top 20 rankings after the first matches of the third round of CEV 2011 Championships qualifying for MEN, FIVB in parenthesis


    1. Brazil (1)
    2. Russia (2)
    3. Cuba (8)
    4. USA (3)
    5. Serbia (4)
    6. Poland (6)
    7. Italy (5)
    8. Bulgaria (7)
    9. Germany (11)
    10. Finland (33)
    11. France (12)
    12. Argentina (9)
    13. Netherlands (27)
    14. Japan (12)
    15. China (10)
    16. Egypt (14)
    17. South Korea (16)
    18. Spain (37)
    19. Puerto Rico (17)
    20. Venezuela (15)


    FIVB has Iran 18th (me 22), Algeria 19th (me 34), Canada 20th (me 28)


    Here are my top 20 rankings after the first matches of the third round of CEV 2011 Championships qualifying for WOMEN, FIVB in parenthesis


    1. Brazil (1)
    2. Italy (4)
    3. China (3)
    4. USA (2)
    5. Poland (8)
    6. Japan (5)
    7. Netherlands (10)
    8. Germany (15)
    9. Dominican Republic (11)
    10. Russia (7)
    11. Cuba (6)
    12. Thailand (12)
    13. Serbia (9)
    14. Bulgaria (14)
    15. South Korea (21)
    16. Puerto Rico (13)
    17. Turkey (22)
    18. Czech Republic (38)
    19. Spain (40)
    20. Azerbaijan (33)


    FIVB has Algeria 14th (me 30), Kazakhstan 16th (me 24), Peru 17th (me 29), Cameroon 18th (me 38), Tunisia 19th (me 43), Argentina 19th (me 33)

    With the World Cup and World Championships in Japan in 2007 and 2006 respectively, you can look at it as the following.


    Too many matches, too many cities, too many teams that people know nothing about and too many days. Japanese matches were highly attended, but there were empty seats for lesser matches. Don't forget three matches in one venue in one day. People work during the day and may only be able to attend at night.


    2007 Womens World Cup, Nov 2-Nov 16, 8 venues (7 cities), 66 matches, 12 teams
    2007 Mens World Cup, Nov 18-Dec 2, 8 venues (7 cities), 66 matches, 12 teams


    2006 Womens World Championship, Oct 31-Nov 16, 5 venues (5 cities), 104 matches, 24 teams
    2006 Mens World Championship, Nov 17-Dec 3, 7 venues (6 cities), 104 matches, 24 teams


    Just my opinion.

    Pool G


    20 Aug Germany - USA 1:3
    20 Aug China - Thailand 3:0
    21 Aug Thailand - USA 0:3
    21 Aug China - Germany 3:0
    22 Aug Germany - Thailand 3:0
    22 Aug China - USA 3:2


    Pool H Taipei


    20 Aug Brazil - Puerto Rico 3:0
    20 Aug Poland -Taipei 3:0
    21 Aug Puerto Rico - Poland 0:3
    21 Aug Taipei - Brazil 0:3
    22 Aug Brazil - Poland 3:1
    22 Aug Taipei - Puerto Rico 0:3


    Pool I


    20 Aug Italy - Netherlands 3:0
    20 Aug Japan - Dominican Rep. 3:1
    21 Aug Dominican Rep - Nederlands 1:3
    21 Aug Japan - Italy 2:3
    22 Aug Dominican Rep - Italy 0:3
    22 Aug Japan - Nederlands 3:1

    Raylight,


    I just went through my statistics for Bulgaria's matches from 2003-2010. I have a points system that is 75% correct over an 8 year time frame on an individual match basis, (sets won, points ratio, competition region, opponent rank). Here are the results of Bulgaria over that 2003-2010 time frame for the Intercontinental Group stage. Your numbers is parenthesis.


    2003 - 4th (6)
    2004 - 4th (4)
    2005 - 6th (5)
    2006 - 2nd (4)
    2007 - 4th (5)
    2008 - 7th (7-6)
    2009 - 10th (10)
    2010 - 5th (7-5)


    We are actually really close. I guess that I have been looking at the overall ranking at the end of the year and on a daily basis too much. Plus I can go with the phrase, we don't get the games on TV in the States :obey:


    I think that I was just doing a quick look at not getting to the Finals and really there are only 5 spots, excluding the host. At least now with the 5th spot based on results from matches as opposed to being on FIVB's whims.

    Pool D


    August 13
    USA-Italy 1-3
    Thailand-PR 0-3


    August 14
    PR-Italy 0-3
    USA-Thailand 3-0


    August 15
    Italy-Thailand 3-0
    PR-USA 0-3



    Pool E


    August 13
    Brazil-DR 3-1
    China-Netherlands 3-1


    August 14
    Brazil-Netherlands 3-0
    China-DR 3-0


    August 15
    China-Brazil 3-1
    Netherlands-DR 3-1


    Pool F


    August 13
    Taipei-Poland 0-3
    Japan-Germany 3-1


    August 14
    Germany-Taipei 3-0
    Japan-Poland 2-3


    August 15
    Germany-Poland 1-3
    Japan-Taipei 3-0

    The reasoning for all of the Asian teams is that they had the worst records of all of the 16 teams in the World League. Japan won the Men's Asian Championship last year, so they are the best team in Asia. It is not biased towards Asia. They are just performing worse than others.


    As for Bulgaria hosting the finals, that could be possible, but from a play standpoint, they have only made the Final 6 once in the last four years.

    Puerto Rico beats Portugal 3-1, (20-25, 25-15, 25-18, 25-22) to advance to second round qualifying, 6 pts to none.


    They would play China, if Japan wins against Tunisia. If Tunisia wins, then Puerto Rico would play South Korea.


    If Japan wins, they will play August 24th & 25th against South Korea.


    If Tunisia wins, then the Tunisia vs. China matches will be between 27th to the 29th.


    Puerto Rico matches will be August 28th & 29th.


    All of this is off the Japan Volleyball Association page in Japanese.

    I just joined the site today and I have created a ranking system for the men's and women's international game that is correct nearly 75% of the time.


    I am working on some statistical data as well. Looking to meet other volleyball fans.

    I have created a system based on the FIFA systems with some modifications for volleyball. I have taken the last 8 years worth of matches for both the men and women for the following.
    1. Olympics
    2. FIVB World Championships
    3. World League (men)
    4. World Grand Prix (women)
    5. Grand Champions Cup (once every 4 years)
    6. Continental championships
    7. World Cup (once every 4 years)
    8. Olympic Qualifying (regional and world)


    Friendlies are not included because it is almost impossible to find information on them.


    I have given points for the following


    1. Number of sets won (3,2,1,0)
    2. Points ratio Teams can score a higher ratio and still lose the match.
    3. Regional strength (matches within an region are given a multiplier of 1, majority of matches are played there; regional strength is based on international matches) number can be below 1 for international matches for one region
    4. Rank based on previous results, maximum score of 2 (201-1), lowest score is 1 (teams of 101st and higher rarely play)


    Also points are only over a 4 year period, with percentage changes.


    For the men there were 2,966 matches from 2002-2009, and my system had correctly predicted the winner on a match basis 74.31% of the time.
    For the women there were 2,470 matches from 2002-2009, and my system had correctly predicted the winner on a match basis 78.70% of the time.


    My Top 10 for the men after the World League (includes all World Championships Qualifying from 2009) (FIVB Ranking in parenthesis)
    1 Brazil (1)
    2 Russia (2)
    3 Cuba 8
    4 USA (3)
    5 Serbia (4)
    6 Poland (6)
    7 Italy (5)
    8 Bulgaria (7)
    9 Germany (11)
    10 Finland (33)


    Finland is getting no respect for playing in the World League by the FIVB on an annual basis, same for Cuba
    Argentina is 9th in the FIVB ranking, I have them 12th.
    China is 10th in the FIVB ranking, I have them 16th. They have not won many matches in the World League the last couple of years.


    Women Top 10 before World Grand Prix
    1 Brazil (1)
    2 China (2)
    3 Italy (7)
    4 Poland (11)
    5 Japan (5)
    6 USA (4)
    7 Russia (3)
    8 Cuba (6)
    9 Netherlands 8
    10 Germany (9)


    Serbia is 10th in the FIVB ranking, I've got them 13th.


    For this year, on the men I am at 76.47% right and the women 83.67% right.


    Pool A
    August 7
    Brazil - Japan 3-0
    Taipei - Italy 0-3


    August 8
    Brazil - Italy 3-1
    Taipei - Japan 0-3


    Pool B
    August 7
    Poland - DR 3-1
    USA - Germany 3-1


    August 8
    Poland - USA 2-3
    Germany - DR 3-1


    Pool C
    August 7
    Thailand - China 0-3
    PR - Netherlands 0-3


    August 8
    China - Netherlands 3-0
    Thailand - PR 1-3