Final OG Tokyo 2020 continental hosts, participating teams and dates confirmation :
Posts by mariuszj1939
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Display MoreProjected World Rankings before Japan-Canada match (Canada can only finish 8th or 9th with Iran).
1. Brazil 335
2. USA 280
3. Poland 272
4. Italy 206
5. Russia 204
6-7. Argentina 161
6-7. Canada 157 (162)
8. Iran 132 (137)
9. France 130
10. Japan 122
11. Serbia 110
12. Egypt 85
13. Belgium 80
14. Bulgaria 72
15T. Australia 68
15T. Netherlands 68
17. Slovenia 62
18. Cuba 50
19. Finland 47
20. China 44
So serpentine system for OG may looks like :
Pool A Pool B
Japan Brazil
Poland USA
Italy Russia
Canada* Argentina
Iran* France/Serbia*
* non qualified teams
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BRA 3:1 POL
Now they secured WC 2019 champion. Poland actually played well in set #1 and #2. The turning point was set #2. Drzyzga passed ball to Kubiak twice when Kubiak's on the weak side, and he got blocked twice. At the end of the set #2, Drzyzga insisted to set up the ball to Sliwka at pos 4. Sliwka missed one open-net shot, and got blocked later. So Brazil took the set #2, and the momentum was shifted to Brazil. Bruno outplayed Drzyzga in every way, from serve, pass to defense. Muzaj missed a lot of chances. On other other side, Alan was on fire from beginning to end.
Final result was BRA-POL 3:2 and game was close. As you wrote end of set two 23-23 was the most important.
Poland played without Kurek who left Japan already. Both teams played good but Poland made more mistakes.
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Germany is candidate to be the 4th host.
But CEV is ready to give this spot to Poland (is Polish Federation would like to) and then two 1/8, two 1/4 matches, semis and finals will be played in Poland.
This week Poland should decide and there is huge financial issue as Poland is hosting 2022 Women's WCH and budget is still not closed.
Poland sent all documents / guarantee to CEV to be host of ECH 2021.
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When will this tournament be played?
5-10.January.2020
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Current roster of Polish NT for next World Cup matches (except Nowakowski and Konarski this is the strongest roster):
- Fabian Drzyzga, Marcin Komenda
- Łukasz Kaczmarek, Bartosz Kurek, Maciej Muzaj
- Norbert Huber, Mateusz Bieniek, Karol Kłos, Jakub Kochanowski
- Bartosz Kwolek, Wilfredo Leon, Aleksander Śliwka, Artur Szalpuk, Michał Kubiak
- Damian Wojtaszek, Paweł Zatorski
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Congrats Serbia !
Well deserved victory. There was a huge difference after first "enthusiastic" Slovenian set.
Lisinac is still on top.
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Display MoreHmm, I am struggling to connect how all this you wrote is relevant to our discussion before. Fine, let's go in details.
You are talking about attendance and general interest in volleyball here. What this ECH showed us, and not just this one, it has been similar also in previous editions, is that interest in volleyball is not great when France, Slovenia, Belgium, or the Netherlands are not playing. I could only watch set 1 yesterday, I don't know how many people left for the ceremony, and still is it the first not-well attended ceremony? People often leave when the game ends, unfortunately, or don't buy tickets to watch other teams. It has to do with lack of interest rather than not giving credit to the team out there. I don't like it either, this is a general problem in non-volleyball/pure football countries. In my opinion, it has nothing to do with arrogance, rather with ignorance or preferences set elsewhere. But I don't really see it as a sign of ignorance, the way you obivously felt it.
I've also been to tournaments, not way too many but enough, both as a fan and as an accredited journalist. Apart from the ECH finals in Copenhagen in 2013, the organization has been great everywhere, not just in Poland, but in Italy, Germany, Slovenia, Bulgaria. Of course, you guys in Poland always make a terrific job supporting teams and attending matches, the atmosphere is great and credits have been shared everywhere, including here many times, for this. This is great for volleyball and for fans. It's not really the organization but the atmosphere that makes Poland more special when hosting events, from what I have witnessed, because your volleyball culture is different. You face no problem transferring this energy to the club season the moment the NT season is over and this is remarkable. And maybe this interest and volleyball culture create this superiority complex I've seen and people here have mentioned that you are/feel you are better than the rest. Arrogance shouldn't be mistaken with ignorance, as I wrote above. Arrogance, to me, is not giving credit, as you did, that's why I had to reply to your post, to a team that stopped Poland 3 times already and still questioning whether they are good or whether they can play volleyball away from home (when they have won matches in Slovenia, Poland, and Bulgaria). Arrogance is Polish fans constantly making excuses for their defeats with bad refereeing, bad schedule, or I don't know what else (I am not making this up, there are other forums and social platforms where people actually made fun of this. Agree that I can't be everywhere and make you screenshots of everything to prove it to you). Arrogance is still having (even as captain) and proudly defending Kubiak after what he said this year. Arrogance is what he said. Arrogance is the attitude your federation shows towards journalists applying for accreditation for events in Poland. You don't have to believe me here, you can ask Jiri Popelka, the current vice-president of the Czech Federation and his opinion on the processes in Poland. Or even other former Volleycountry colleagues who have had the experience. Arrogance is when only Polish players complain for almost every single thing when they play abroad. You gave an example of a Polish plane arranged to pick up your own NT, the most important and popular NT in Poland, in order to attend matches. This is great, I don't see how this is any different than what some countries might've done in the same situation. Even if not, this is an example of an action how much you care for your volleybal, not an example of an attitude towards something/someone outside.
I can go on but this is not my point. Please, understand that I am not deliberately pointing fingers at Polish fans and players, I rather try to understand the reasons for this and hope that, through the means of communication, reasoning, or even defeats, Poland can just learn a bit more humility.
We have congratuled and acknowledged Polish players and success tons of times here. You can check older threads. Yes, no one did it yet for their bronze medal result, so let me be the first one because it was an absolutely deserved achievement, following the obviously great performance against France and throughout the entire tournamant! Poland had only one defeat and they, I am sure, deserved a place in the final, for they are undoutbtedly a great team. You said no one made compliments but this is not true. Just yesterday or the day before kyle7in1 made the greatest compliment you can probably have - that he doesn't like the NT at all, yet he thinks they are a great team and play great volleyball quite often.
Last but not least, I don't know how many people watched the bronze medal match because often it is the saddest and least contested match in a tournament. Maybe that's the reason people didn't congratulate Poland. There is also another reason. People are used to Russia, Poland, Italy, Brazil winning medals, so they don't make an extra fuss when they do it again.
Now I see some details and I understand some points.
1/ I saw kyle7in1 compliment (after SF match) and it's more than ok.
2/ I think Paris hall left 3/4 audience just after match except Polish fans and officials, media etc - please do not not say people often leave hall after match (before Ceremony) BTW - v.strange ceremony - no other teams, no podium just red carpet
3/ accreditation - it's hard to say something as I didn't hear anything in the past / if you say I accept it and say (on behalf of fans) sorry but I think i's more procedures problem / PIC than arrogance
4/ excuses for the defeats = I personally blame own team but I see also their "body language" and if it observed in all players in one particular match something happened. When I stated Poland played 70% nad Slovenia 110 % what it means ? It means Poland skill level/efficiency was 30 % below standard level and Slovenia 10 % over standard level. Nothing else. I didn't say Slovenia was not better in this match. Why arrogance means for you I asked for Slovenia volleyball level abroad or in other competition ? I need proof Slovenia is a good team within longer time not only one competiotion or two matches
5/ Kubiak - it was his interview and he shouldn't say anything but he said what he feels (maybe it's more general feeling in volleyball) - I strongly say it shouldn't be address to Iran or Iranian people. Additionally have you seen audience behaviour in Iran ? Have you noticed what happened Polish NT this year on the way from sport hall to hotel ? Is it a standard in volleyball ?
PS - I dislake Zaytsev and for me he's arrogant but It's my private feeling
Last but not least, you blamed all Polish fans, media, Federation etc so I feel bad. Is it because our teams won something finally, our organization and support volleyball is sometimes better in comparison to other nations ? I had to wait 20 years (1983-2003) to see success back but never left volleyball.
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Sorry, I have to write something here. This is the Polish arrogance people here are talking about, coming from fans, players, media, and their federation. You can 'see' whatever you want in Paris, the rest of Europe/the world saw it already years ago, regardless of how the final will end. I would be waaaay more humble if my team lost 3 times in a row at, in this case, consecutive ECHs.
Arrogance … it's easy to say.
I saw today what means real arrogance peaple.
Have you seen bronze medal ceremony in Paris ?
Almost all French fans left hall before ceremony !
You blamed Polish fans, Federation, media. Have you ever seen Polish fans left any hall before ceremony even Poland/Polish club lost ?
PS - I was present in CEV Champions League Women 2015 - Chemik Police lost both games and all audience were inside the hall till the end.
Have you ever seen in Poland empty halls when our team was not present (ECH, WCH, club competitions' finals) ?
PS - as volleyball fan I was present in such matches in ECH 2017 Italy - Germany, Czech Republic-Slovakia and hall was almost full.
Have you seen bad organization of any tournament in Poland ? Is it arragance to arrange Government plane when CEV and Dutch Federation couldn't arrange anything except hotel ?
and finally have you seen any congratulation or positive comments on forum to Polish team ?
They played much better totally different game focussed to win medal. Kubiak and both liberos were great.
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Poland got Bronze. Jenia, as the No.1 active libero, had a reception error at match point. A dramatic ending for France.
Poland played so relaxed today. Obviously Heynen told Drzyzga to pass more balls to Leon to train his chemistry with the team.
If healthy Kurek comes back, Poland is still the contender in tournament.
Now I am curious Poland will send what team to WC. Kubiak will play for WC, maybe Leon as well?
WC - team B (but with Kurek, Łomacz and Kwolek) is now on the way to Japan to play first two matches.
11 players from ECH will fly to Japan in 2 days (without Konarski and Nowakowski - they decided to cancel participation).
Kubiak will fly alone and join team at later stage. After WC he will stay in Japan and wait for league season.
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Not e ntertaining? What the hell are you watching? Stakes are high, euro semis. Raucous french crowd. Close sets, plenty of showboating back and forth between the likes of Kovacevic and Ngapeth..this is SUPERB.
I agree ! Additionally killing blocks and some aces.
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Sorry, I have to write something here. This is the Polish arrogance people here are talking about, coming from fans, players, media, and their federation. You can 'see' whatever you want in Paris, the rest of Europe/the world saw it already years ago, regardless of how the final will end. I would be waaaay more humble if my team lost 3 times in a row at, in this case, consecutive ECHs.
No, you don't need to write something is such arrogance way.
I don't care what you say about us but it must be more diplomatic if you pretent to be forum expert.
I'm volleyball fan and I played volleyball for years so I'm happy Poland is back among top 4 even they lost once again Slovenia.
One game or your comments cannot cancel previous achievement of team and federation.
Time will tell ...
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What matters is their most recent performance. They didn't win only against one favourite, they did it TWICE! It wasn't like a lucky draw that could allow them skip strongest team. They have beaten two so-called strongest teams in this tournament with a convincing performance (not even playing a tie-break). It is very unfair to call their success as luck.
In history each team has one bad day in tournament (see Poland-Argentina or USA-Poland last WCH) and together with exceptional high level of opponent means surprise. I do not underestimate Slovenia but we have to see their real strenght in Paris without home crowd ???
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Why is it so difficult to admit their opponent was just better? This is the reason Poland is becoming more and more disliked, they always have this idea that they're going to win everything just by showing up. Heynen's ego is not doing anything good to this team either. If they don't take a humility pill soon, they will be taught another harsh lesson at the Olympic games, where I have no doubt they will be crowned champions months before the actual tournament starts.
We've seen it happen, an easy 0:3 in the QF and 4 years of "nooo, we learned from that defeat, we're going to win gold next time for sure."
Sorry, I dislike your comments at all !!!
I sent congrats Slovenia and I expressed what I observed.
Each set was so close and Slovenia won that all. Have they played on similar level except ECH ?
PS - I do not like behaviour of one European federation (who always added strange rules on WCH) and expecially one of their player but … it's my personal feeling not published on forum.
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If Slovenia finds the way to play at this level outside of the ECH they're going to do some massive damage at the OQT
I don' think so except Slovenia is nominated as host of OQT.
Congrats to Slovenia. Slovenia played today at 110 % (better than game against Russia) and Poland max 70 %.
All Polish team looked tired and too nervous. I do not know reason = transfer, own crowd or first game in new hall.
Maybe it's good Poland lost SF today. It will be good lesson for whole team before OG.
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Slovenia!
Third time in a row that Poland gets eliminated by Slovenia considering the previous ECHs. QFs in 2015, 8Fs in 2017 and now SFs in 2019. Quite a feat.
Regarding ECH true but other competitions not true,
Poland won OG qualification 3:1
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Turkey looks like a completely different team compared to OG quals
Playing at home. There is the difference. Therefore European OG qual. should be played at neutral ground for all teams.
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Stysiak Stysiak Stysiak !!!
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What? Yes, there was a bidding process but only because the original hosts declined.
What I remember bid was open for all participated countries. I saw also somwhere on FIVB page bid's pdf document.
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The best teams in each pool are the hosts. A few NTs declined because of the costs to hold the event, including Brazil.
Not true !
There was bidding proces arranged by our lovely FIVB. It means better funds spent = nominated host !