Posts by mariuszj1939

    There will be always dissapointed team(s).

    It doesn't matter because of referee, schedule, injury, long fly, tactics (2nd squad playing) or tournament strange system (see WCH 2010 "better to lose" Brazil-Bulgaria 0:3 or ECH 2011 Poland-Slovakia 1:3) etc.

    Unfortunately, we'll not change it !!! Please send petition to FIVB/CEV etc instead of blaming one or another federation. There is a right place where rules are agreed and FINALLY accepted.

    If you want to comment it once again go ahead but I prefer to comment pure volleyball and qualification.

    Every host sets the schedule or the draw as per their best interest. But a demonstration of fair play and sportsmanship requires them to beat their opponents fairly and to provide them with enough time to prepare for the matches in the best possible way. This is a principle not only in sports but in life as well. Poland, as well as the ones mentioned by you (for which I don't know and can't say anything), failed to do so, thus breaking major, granted postulates. Neither Poland, nor the ones back then should be left unnoticed. The fact that it happened to Poland already in the past doesn't make it alright. It happened to many teams in many countries and qualifiers, yet the schedules are mostly fair. And last, as I said earlier, the outcome is still unclear because these are top athletes but also people who might react accordingly in such scenarios. Even this schedule guarantees Poland nothing, yet it is wrong for a number of reasons.

    Have I cried on the forum last year ?

    WCH 2018 - Bulgaria set group stage schedule in such way to take the whole day rest before Bulgaria - Poland match and pushed Poland to play in the evening before against strong Iran.

    Was it fair or not ? I have so many examples but ... it's enough.

    Dear Yavor,

    Such discussion is too long.

    As organizer Poland had a right to set schedule accordingly. It was accepted by FIVB. France did not spent money for bid.

    What I remember from "old history" of OG qualifications :

    -1992 Netherlands as organizer lost against Poland but there was such new system Poland had to play once again with them next day in Final so v.strong Netherland qualified

    - 2004 Portugal as organizer set aircondition system to such high level /or switched off/ ball was wet and game interrupted many times finally Poland qualified

    I feel really bad for Poland, they played very well but at the end they screwed up and just couldn't make it🇮🇩❤️💪🏻

    Tbh I didn't know Poland could be such a good team(i never watched them) but this year they really surprised me and they become one of my fav teams. They just miss a good OH.

    I agree some players just need more experiance. There wiil be progress as more girls start playing in Italian league. Today Poland played v.good against WCh.

    I can not believe Bednorz did not make it. I like Kwolek but he struggles offensively sometimes. I just feel like Bednorz can be more of a threat.

    And no Kochanowski???:white:.....Klos was great at VNL finals....but I would pick Kochanowski over him.

    Sorry to say, Heynen needs experiance for this tournament. Bednorz was good RECENTLY but he is no my type of player.

    I really like Kochanowski but … see other MBs - no comments.

    • Group A

      Serbia - Thailand 3-0

      Poland - Puerto Rico 3-0

      Serbia - Puerto Rico 3-0

      Thailand - Poland 1-3

      Puerto Rico - Thailand 0-3

      Serbia - Poland 2-3


      Group B

      China - Czech Republic 3-0

      Turkey - Germany 3-1

      Germany - Czech Republic 3-0

      China - Turkey 3-1

      Czech Republic - Turkey 0-3

      China - Germany 3-1


      Group C

      Argentina - Bulgaria 1-3

      USA - Kazakhstan 3-0

      USA - Bulgaria 3-0

      Kazakhstan - Argentina 1-3

      USA - Argentina 3-0

      Kazakhstan - Bulgaria 0-3


      Group D

      Brazil - Cameroon 3-0

      Dominican Republic - Azerbaijan 3-1

      Brazil - Azerbaijan 3-0

      Cameroon - Dominican Republic 0-3

      Brazil - Dominican Republic 3-1

      Azerbaijan - Cameroon 3-0


      Group E

      South Korea - Canada 3-0

      Russia - Mexico 3-0

      South Korea - Mexico 3-0

      Russia - Canada 3-0

      Mexico - Canada 0-3

      Russia - South Korea 3-1


      Group F

      Belgium - Netherlands 1-3

      Italy - Kenya 3-0

      Netherlands - Kenya 3-0

      Belgium - Italy 0-3

      Kenya - Belgium 0-3

      Netherlands - Italy 1-3

    • Group A

      Brazil - Puerto Rico 3-0

      Egypt - Bulgaria 0-3

      Brazil - Egypt 3-0

      Puerto Rico - Bulgaria 0-3

      Egypt - Puerto Rico 3-1

      Bulgaria - Brazil 1-3


      Group B

      Netherlands - South Korea 3-0

      Belgium - USA 0-3

      Belgium - Netherlands 3-2

      USA - South Korea 3-0

      Netherlands - USA 0-3

      South Korea - Belgium 0-3


      Group C

      Australia - Serbia 1-3

      Italy - Cameroon 3-0

      Serbia - Cameroon 3-0

      Australia - Italy 1-3

      Cameroon - Australia 0-3

      Serbia - Italy 3-2


      Group D

      Poland - Tunisia 3-0

      France - Slovenia 3-1

      Poland - France 3-1

      Slovenia - Tunisia 3-0

      France - Tunisia 3-0

      Poland - Slovenia 3-0


      Group E

      Iran - Cuba 3-1

      Russia - Mexico 3-0

      Iran - Mexico 3-0

      Russia - Cuba 3-0

      Cuba - Mexico 3-0

      Russia - Iran 3-1


      Group F

      Canada - Argentina 3-2

      China - Finland 1-3

      Finland - Canada 1-3

      China - Argentina 1-3

      Argentina - Finland 3-1

      China - Canada 0-3

    Please stop it.

    I saw/remember so many OG qualification. You should just wait and see. Now discussion is useless. Strenght (mostly mental) and team spirit will decide. Additional do not underestimate hosts. So many hosts finally qualified but before qualification they were absolutely not favourites.

    What the heck!:what: OG and WCH are done only in every 4 years, they need something more updated. I understand that they don't want to include continental championships to prevent imbalance but VNL should definitely get points for ranking. Indeed they can decide a coefficient for each continental championship based on the strength of teams and number of the participants and calculate the world ranking points accordingly such as 1.0 coefficient for Europe, 0,6 for Asia, O.4 for NORCECA and south America, 0.1 for Africa or something like this. Then the imbalance between continents can be compensated.

    I agree with your way of thinking ! What means lack of FIVB ranking points ex VNL and/or contental championships ? Both tournaments will not be as important as WC in the near future. Ok so next question why WC is counted into ranking ? Teams (only 11 except Japan) are selected from top teams ex previous WCH or by Confederations' system/decision but there is … no qualification. Most of the teams will not have any chance to get points. As per my opinion VNL (succesor of WL and WGP) and/or Continental Championships with strenght factors should be applied into FIVB ranking. And final word why there is no points reduction by 25 % every year for WC / WCH / OG ?

    Giving world ranking points for an invitational tournament like VNL sounds a bit shady to me, so i could see a reentry of continental championships.

    If you say "VNL an invitational tournament" how they counted World League or WGP into FIVB ranking ?


    I remember so many "strange" decisions in history of FIVB so everything is possible ...

    Fivb is probably waiting till the end of the WCH to officially announce the OG qualification process.

    I agree they have to wait , calculate final ranking, select event. hosts of international tournaments and … announce it !


    What I really hate - continental championships will be useless to get good result. Most of the teams unqualified will be fully concentrated to get ticket in continental tournament.

    IMHO the best solution would be what was the plan of the CEV president, using the continental championships (not continental qualification tournament) to assign a spot for every continent. At the moment the continental championships are less important than a random qualification tournament for the Olympic games, which is absurd.


    Of course, they would have to move the dates of the continental tournaments within reasonable distance after the World Cup replacement to avoid participants playing completely gassed out (remember the France-Slovenia final). To be honest I don't see anything improved, just the destruction of the World Cup (reschedule it in any European country, it would be packed with spectators) after the destruction of the World League/World Grand Prix brands. And why on Earth doesn't the World Championships automatically qualify to Tokyo? It works this way in every other sport in the world.


    This would allow: 3 best teams in the world from World Cup; 1 world champion; 1 host; 5 continental champions qualifying; 2 tournaments left, preventing another Mexico or Puerto Rico.

    I fully agree !


    Today, local press informed as per Mr Przedpelski (Polish member of FIVB) interview - there will be TWO steps of qualification :

    1/ August 2019 - 6 tournaments each four teams selected as per FIVB ranking serpentine system = 6 tickets

    2/ 5 continental tournaments/championsips = 5 tickets

    /for CEV looks like seperate tournament to ECH as CEV do not want to have OG qualifier in place 4-5 in ECH - eight teams non qualified - tournament in January 2020/


    World Cup is planned for November 2019 - I do not see reason to participate for teams non qualified by first step. It might be too difficult to be well prepared for WC and Continental qualification !