Posts by Meatballs

Quote from Sentenza_69

I think so too...

In Italy it seems that all the athletes are competing to admit touches and for me it's stupid and has nothing to do with sportsmanship: as you well said, there are two referees and a video check system and the athletes' task is to play...

I completely agree. It is referees job to see those and judge. I mean why should Knollema go and admit a mistake just because it was at a crucial point and the opponents were complaining? I am sure there were like 10 other net touches throughout the match, referees did not see and players did not admit, or many other errors. To me it feels silly that a player is expected to do this. The only exception to me is when there is no challenge option and referee asks the player directly, then I would hope the player to be honest but still it is not wrong if the player lies, since clearly everyone else lies a whole match, at least once.

Quote from USAvolleyfan

I agree, I don’t think Tugba was in the dark.. she must’ve knew this might happen..

However I’m not happy with this decision, and I don’t think Ilkin, even if recovered, would do better than Tugba.. imagine what her shape must look like, after not playing or training for such a long time.. It’s giving Natalia going in London 2012

To be honest, I think Ilkin will surprise most if she recovered. Her problem during VNL's first week was her minor injury + all the loading (which effects to a short player with not a big jump). She has a lot more experience after hitting so many balls during the club season. What worried me was her receiving, but now I understand why she was bad in that during 1st week of VNL too, injury+loading, making her slower.

I won't be surprised if Santarelli decides the starting line up to be Ebrar-Ilkin as OH until Hande is completely fine. Also in the team pics from today and yesterday, she had no support items on her, like tapes etc, indicating that she is fine.

Quote from Andreavillar

Sure it is always great news to crash a player's dream, take her to Paris and tell her 2 days before the OG starts that she isnt in the main roster.

I dont even like Tugba but no player deserves such treatment.

I wish you were as much on your senses when Ilkin was not announced in the roster, spending her last two year's for this team and hitting over 1000 balls during the season to prove her spot.

Besides that, Tugba has already been in Tokyo olympics,and already back then it was Ilkin's right to be there.

You can blame the way they did this, which I agree was cruel. But I will be surprised if Tugba did not know this could happen when they took Ilkin with them to Paris.

Omg that's great news! If Ilkin is healthy, Ebrar-Hande-Ilkin trio gives so much more confidence!

I'm glad Rhaemon got a warning for not only one but two unneccesary provocations. If this stops, I am sure this will be a better place.

Looks like Ilkin-Hande and Zehra are on the court now, but none of them are jumping. Zehra-Ilkin were just doing standing blocking, Hande was moving around and receiving.

I did not know it but it seems like teams have the chance to make changes in their rosters before the olympics. I wonder which teams are making weird strategies around this.

Btw, Ayca is also still training with the team.

To be honest, I will be surprised if Hande comes back in good shape, mainly due to the nature of her injury. They said she had a tear in her abdominal muscle, which is simply one of the most important parts, players use for strength in volleyball. That's why players with abdominal or lower back injuries take long time to come back or come back not as strong. My guess is, she will be back and will be playing but I will be surprised if she shows a solid attacking performance at all.

I agree Jelena about the rest. I think Santa's staff made a terrible decision this summer with planning. It would be a much wiser move to rest most players first 2 weeks of VNL, avoiding injuries, since they wanted to load them with weights meanwhile. They could join the team in third week to get some playing time. Now, Ilkin played first week with her injuries, getting worse, she travelled around with the team with her injuries etc. Zehra got injured week 1 and Hande in week 2 if I remember right.

They clearly did not have the strength to load + play matches in VNL. With that, they have also been lucky because some others could have injuries too like Ebrar and Vargas.

It is extremely unfair to Ilkin unless she has a serious injury which they never explained and keep telling that she will be back very soon...

Hande's injury is a question mark as well as Zehra's. Ebrar-Meliha duo might be the starting line up but that's a big downgrade from the combination with Hande and Ilkin (as first sub). Tugba and Derya can be useful for a set but that's all.

Beyza is there clearly due to Zehra's injury. With all these, I will be very surprised if Turkey manages to make it to semi-finals.

Sure, but I will remind you everytime a person provokes as soon as Turkey wins something and I hope you keep your promise and ban them.

Quote from Sisko

I hope that this one ban and a general tightening of the rules can make the forum a more enjoyable place for everyone.

no, this will simply encourage the provocators, seeing that they can provoke and the opposite side gets banned.

Quote from Sisko

I have no plans to ban you as you’ve not really done anything wrong.

I remember when this place was like that too but anyone can see that serdar’s behaviour changed in the last few years and that he has been at the heart of a lot of the fighting. In fact, he even said himself that he is just trolling now because nothing got done about some incident he reported. Perhaps he had a point, I don’t remember what the incident was, but the fact remains he has been a disruptive influence for a long time, continued to be one after a warning and promised to be one in the future.

please point to any evidence you have that I’m racist before making such accusations.

Maybe you should ask the correct questions:

- What made serdar's behaviour change in this forum? What made all Brazilian's furious at one point where only 2 of them are left? Let me provoke you everyday and you slap me once and then you get the punishment, sure Jan.

When it comes to the last point, I don't need to prove you anything. That's my opinion, and you HAVE TO respect it. That's how this forum works these days I assume? I will not waste my time to go back and show you how many racist comments, provocations were delivered against Turkish NT during the last 1 year. If you as an admin close your eyes to these and instead ban the other side, it makes you the director of these racist provocators.

Quote from crovolley

you can’t come her and call someone idiot, stupid and so on. You can disagree with me and so on, but He crossed the line so many time.

You and the whatever other user (don't even remember his name since he keeps referring to Vargas as a prostitute) ruined this forum. Screw the day you two joined here. You are Provocator 0, but he did way better than you being the Provocator Ultra. So please shut up for once.

And let me add a story here before I get banned too...

Many many years ago when I joined to this forum, there were only users like serdar, Matthias, kondzio etc. and none of you new names were here, including Sisko. You know what? There were no arguments of this sort and we were almost always talking volleyball in good quality. I think it is best to search your criminals in somewhere else, maybe among those provocators, who simply brought this forum to this point. For those of you who doubt this, please go back 6-7 years ago and read the forum back then.

Good luck with all your hate and racism...First Brazilians left, now Turks. I put my money on Serbs next.

Quote from Sisko

OK, serdar is banned for a week. He continued using insults/personal attacks after being warned not to and also confirmed he had no intention of stopping in the future.

Hopefully this shows to him and everyone else that this stuff isn’t being tolerated anymore.

Hello fascist state commander, please ban me too because I think you are silly and a hater.

I am feeling sorry for Simge but looking at the VNL as a try out, I think Ayca has been there more often than Simge. I also get a feeling that Santarelli will have Gizem Örgen as main libero and Ayca with a regular jersey. It sucks for Simge since she gave her all to this team until Gizem Örge returned from her exile and helped the team to go to Tokyo olympics etc.

I also agree Serdar about the rest of the squad. Hande and Ilkin are still the key players in this team, holding the receiving line and bringing some stability in serve receive and defense. Yes I know they were being inconsistent but still way more consistent than Tugba and Derya.

Tugba should be the +1, replacing someone in case of an injury.

Also in that interview, Santarelli says "I think this was my best strategy last year, to use 3 liberos, it worked very well. But in a roster of 12, it is madness, not it is actually stupid to take 3 liberos. I am mad but not stupid..."

Quote from serdar

Where can we listen the interview? Do you have the link?

Here it is:

It is the last one I meant.

For the Turkish users in this forum, I can recommend a very active and proper local forum. Please send me a private message if you would like to join. The quality is way better than here. That was the main reason I have not been very active here the last some years.

I listened Neslihan's last interview in a show called "Neslihan's memory book" (lol not sure if translation is good).

She praised Michelle Bartsch Hackley a tons, saying she was like a doctor, working well with everything and fixing all, block, defense, serve, attack, passing. She also added that it was really difficult to convince her to come to Turkey early (during post Covid-season, they started trainings in July 1st). So Bartsch was asking to arrive in mid-August and looks like they had days of conversations and deals and eventually found a mid way. Then she added, "it was so difficult to bring her to Turkey, but once she arrived, she was a perfect professional, giving her all and this happened 2 summers in a row". She also added that this is common with American players and she completely understands, since they would like to stay as much as they can with their families, at home, while other players coming from for example Serbia, can go to visit their home during a weekend.

They were a lot of interesting points, also regarding Haak-Egonu exchange etc.

I just watched the match and well done Italy! I love it when a team performs over their 100% and plays like this. I really liked Degradi and Bosetti who were very consistent the entire match and Antropova delivered without having any regular lows throughout the match.

On Turkey's side, I was expecting them to lose some matches this week, knowing the girls gathered only a week ago and Santarelli joined them like 5 days ago. The only positive surprise so far is Vargas whom I thought would need some rest and perform slightly worse but girl does not stop. I also liked Örge among the matches played so far. Despite the losses, I am not as worried. Turkey started last year's VNL bad during the first 2 rounds as well, creating a lot of question marks, but it was a completely different team third week and on. They just need some more time together and particularly with Santarelli.

Meanwhile I am hoping that they will give some rest to players like Vargas, Zehra, Ebrar and maybe Ilkin who seems to have a small injury on her leg. I also won't be surprised if we watch Derya more next round and Tugba being benched. It feels like the competition for last spot is between Derya and Tugba, to add some more attacking power to the team.

I think best chance of Netherlands is to use Jasper-Daalderop-Buijs trio as wings, receiving well and activating MBs to the best they can. Plak proved many times she is not up for this level unfortunately, Marring-Knollema and Dambrink can substitute whoever is failing.

I did not watch the friendlies but 2 matches I watched in VNL of Netherlands, Van Aalen was not good. I agree on Dijkema though, in short sequences she entered, she looked bad already. I would go with Van Aalen but would not insist and use Bongaerts early on. Someone should remind Felix this is not a training camp.