Posts by Meatballs

Quote from beri

Honestly I felt nothing. She's as useless as Diouf. No she was actually quite usefull for Italy. Just put Polen in. I know they said that Neslihan was defensing and blah blah blah but it didn't work and she did nothing good

It's so lame to compare Neslihan with Diouf. Neslihan gets points with her technique and she does a very good job in defense as well, while Diouf use only her height and her career is not comparable at all. Polen has nothing special, her arm swing is so damn slow for an opposite. Neslihan did a good match tonight and gave all she could. Naz distributes sets in a biased way, giving the best to Gozde and sets very few balls to her opposite. The problem in Turkish side was Neriman who is simply cursed. She ruined atom, galatasaray and now eczacibasi. I honestly don't remember a team who won a tournament easily with neriman playing for them.

Ferhat is the only reason that we ended up 4th at this tournament. Girls did everything by themselves and Turkey had such a good bench that could be used.

Interesting info: Turkish federation is blocking users on Twitter if they write bad things about Ferhat. This is what happens when you have a teenager as head coach

Russia won the game with a very simple tactic: serve well, receive well. Turkey made most aces and served amazing in the first set, in other 3 sets, Neslihan was the only good server. No one else took the risk in Turkish side.
Startseva is definitely the best setter in this tournament, not because her setting is creative or her technique is beautiful, but she simply changes this Russian team and makes them win. Her serves ruined Turkey tonight.

Ferhat is a terrible coach at the match. He simply does nothing or really bad decisions. Gozde is having a terrible time and she is still forced to stay at the court. Neriman and Neslihan did really good today. Unfortunately Naz and Gozde destroyed turkey. I'm not complaining about Gozde's attacking but her receiving is terrible too. Naz's choices were all wrong tonight. Ferhat's double substitution in the very end of the match and using Polen from zone 4 was simply ridiculous. Turkish team is one of the best in this tournament but the head coach is the worst of all.

If Ferhat keeps Gozde on court tomorrow, and keeps the same mentality, turkey has no chance against Italy.

Polish coach simply ruined his team during this tournament. Jagielo was horrible tonight and I don't know why he never tried Kurnikowska in that position? I was not expecting it but Tomsia did much much better than Skowronska, why not use both on court? Especially when you middles suck in attacking.

Besides everything, it will be amazing to watch finals tomorrow, really good 4 teams will show their best hopefully and it's always a pleasure to watch Goncharova and Kosheleva against Turkish girls. All I hope is,
Malova having a bad day and Turkey using middles in attacking often. Otherwise Fetisova can finish the match with 10 blocks. For Naz's sets, it is almost like a disease in today's volleyball and so sad to see that people appreciate low-fast sets while they find higher sets ugly. Some setters will hopefully realize that their spikers perform much better with higher sets and one of these setters is Naz.

Women's coach: Zoran Terzic

Players:
1-Milena Rasic
2-Kim YK
3-Sloetjes

Quote from CarduCat

Anyway Italy in top 3 would be a miracle

Thank you for being this objective, unfortunately I don't see such posts in this forum
I have a feeling that Italy won't be that easy against Netherlands. They still have experienced players and a better coach with better tactics than Turkish one. Let's see what Guidetti is planning and how Bonita will respond

Quote from CarduCat

rather agree
Naz and Orro were quite efficient despite all the problems of their team

I would be controversial and put Startseva as best setter. She did very well out of her team and subbed Kosianenko in the entire tournament although she wasn't a starter. For opposite I would consider Obmachaeva since both she and Sloetjes had up and downs. For MB, my both choices are Turkish, Akman with her blocks made a huge contribution.

I find it unfair that Turkey is underestimated after the last Netherlands game. Turkey destroyed Germany the day before and Germany could win over Netherlands. So the level between these teams is not that bad. I don't trust Ferhat at all and find him incapable of reading the game and taking the right decisions during the match. He is a good trainer but not a head coach. However I trust Turkish girls and I know their level is far over what they showed against Netherlands. I honestly won't be surprised if they beat Russia tomorrow or at least put a great fight against them. In fact, Russia is not that hard to beat considering that they receive with only two players, attack with only two players. If Turkish girls can serve well, we know what Kubra does on the net when she knows who will attack. In overall, it will be an interesting game. I hope Ferhat will make smart substitutions, I would start with the same 6 as usual but replace Neriman with Guldeniz in case receiving is bad. Gozde should also be subbed if she plays like last time.

My theory of the Netherlands game is, maybe players were not that motivated, especially Vakifbank players to destroy their Dutch teammates dreams. But I just hope that they are professionals.

My prediction is a Turkish - Dutch final and Turkish victory. If turkey loses 3-2 tomorrow, they might lose again on Sunday with that motivation.

Quote from Matthias

About Caterina, we must not forget that after all she is still only 21. She might not live up to the hype around her when she was 17-18, but she can still become a very good player.

Agree about Cate. This season, her club is having troubles with everything so it is not her fault that there are many OHs and I still believe that she is the most useful one in that team. She had a very good season in Galatasaray last year, despite playing with a terrible partner like Meijners. She receives, serves and defends amazing. Besides she is a smart attacker. She is a very good team player and I honestly see no reason why she shouldn't be better than her older versions like Fe Garay and Gözde Sonsirma who are well known world stars. Were they this good when they were 21?

Salihli Beldiyespor's new head coach claimed that they will make 3 new transfers, including one new foreign player.

Quote from serdar

Gizem Örge was cut from roster Neither Gizem Karadayı nor Merve Dalbeler is good receiver, which is known by any mediocre volleyball supporter Dalbeler is not even playing any match in the league. There is simply no point to take her over Gizem Örge

The last player to be cut must be Gözde Yılmaz. Both Polen and Hande are performing better than Gözde as Opp and Neslihan is irreplacable with her experience and reception skills. Neslihan as receiving Opp and Neriman only focusing on attacking would be the best strategy. For MBs, Eda's slot is reserved but I expect a rotation between Kübra and Bahar. I hope Bahar would keep her good shape in NT too. For setters, I would choose Nilay over Özge. Nilay is quite risky as a starter setter but she always did a pretty good job as a backup setter. On the other hand Özge is very very bad as backup setter. She almost always makes a technical direct mistakes whenever she enters to the game in a critical moment (remember 2012 OG) Also Nilay has already been training with both Neslihan and Hande so she could perform better in the case of double substitution.

What about other teams roster? Hasn't all final 14 rosters published?

Cutting Gizem Örge is ridiculous. If Ferhat could convince Gulden to comeback to the NT, it would be great since she is having a very good season. But neither Merve nor Gizem K. are having a good season. Gizem Karadayi's receiving stats are bad and these liberos are both covered by their OHs in the league at some serve rotations. I agree that Gizem Örge is a terrible defender though, 2 libero system could be perfect.

In my opinion, I would leave Hande Baladin out this time. Gözde Yilmaz has more experience as OH and Turkey might need an attacking OH to replace Neriman at times since we saw her failing both in attacking/receiving this season. Hande Baladin as OH is a bit too risky and noone else is an attacking OH in the team.

I like that Özge is there instead of Nilay. To me, Nilay does not make a threat to the setter on the court while we say Özge playing quite many matches with the NT. If Özge is there, I'm sure it will improve Naz's performance and remind her that she has to do better.

I'm really glad that Bahar is back. Her last 2-3 games are not exceptional in the Italian league, especially the last one with 10% in attacking. But I still think Bahar&Eda duo will do better with Kubra as sub.

Quote from serdar

It is Gözde's first season abroad, that's why I didn't expected any phenomenal performance. Reception has always been a weakness for her,their libero might be the worse one in the league so I imagine being in such a reception line up should be quite hard for her. But I am really happy she has the guts to take the risk to play abroad and did not accept to stay in the bench of top teams.

Can anybody comment on current shape of van Hecke? Albright and Heyrman seem to be in good condition. Let's is also showing a consistent performance in Galatasaray. I wonder if they can make any surprises to Poland

Yamamay's setter is not the best in Italian league either. I wrote a really long text in another thread here, sorry for repeating but as you said, their libero is probably not the best receiver in the league either. Gözde Yilmaz can be a bad receiver, but she has been a good attacker even when she played in a really bad team in Turkey, at Sariyer Belediyesi when they were about to delegate and still she has been one of the top scorers as OH. I can blame her for her bad receiving stats or defense but if she is attacking with only 15-20% each game, then you better watch their matches and see how the sets are.

Quote from Phil

The other thing is the ball. I've heared a lot of opinions about it and some players say that it's easier to receive Moltens. Moltens are used in Italian league. As we know, in CL they use Mikasa.
And according to stats (Italian league) Cruz is better receiver than Tirozzi, Gennari, Horvath, Malesević, Bosetti etc.

I agree about that. Cruz is a very good defensive OH but I don't think she found her rhythm in Rabita or Novara yet. It takes some time to adapt yourself to a new team, their receiving line and defense system. On the other side, Leys is having a very good season so far. She is one of the top receivers in the turkish league, which has better serve quality than italian league, maybe due to the ball difference. I say this based on Neriman & Gözde Yilmaz's stats, compared to what they did in Turkey and Italy in terms of receiving. However I agree that Leys has ups and downs in attacking, so far she played only 2 bad matches in the league in attacking which she had around 35%, otherwise she has often 45-50% in attacking.
When I checked Novara's stats, they don't seem to receive well, 25-30% perfect receiving is not enough when you play with 2 defensive OHs. Besides like someone mentioned, their MBs are not contributing to the score load. With these OHs, you need 2 scoring MBs in the game!

Quote from crovolley

Pedulla was doing amazing with players that He have. I repeat with this kind of OHs you can't do better.

I don't get this. Look at Galatasaray this season, with Leys & Guldeniz which are similar OHs to what Novara has, they are doing really good. If you have such OHs, you need to have a good and creative setter and very scorer MBs (I'm assuming that the receiving is good).

Quote from Matthias

I was just about to post the same. And I'm actually happy about it. I'm sorry for the players, but I really want them to lose a lot of matches from now on so the management recognises its mistake. But then again they probably will blame it on Signorile

I don't think that will work, especially now when Signorile is invited to the NT again

Just watched the Yamamay first time this season against Club Italia.
They had good receiving, especially after the first set. Gözde Yilmaz was decent in receiving and club italia changed their target in serve to the libero & De Gradi after the first set. In fact, Yamamay's libero was the worse receiver in their team today.

Jenna Hagglund''s set quality to zone 2 and front quicks were really good but her set quality was really amateur when she tried to set to zone 4 and slides. Thibaut and Pisani might start complaining about backaches because they had to hit a ball, half a meter behind them when they went for a slide attack. Gözde Yilmaz got really few sets, I think I counted only 5-6 balls in the last 2 sets and 2 of them were fix situations where she got super high sets from the backside of the court. For some reason, Hagglund does not prefer her as an attacking option and in today's game, she hit quite well when she got proper sets.

On the hand, I really liked De Gradi. She is very athletic and reminds me Gözde Kirdar and Fe Garay. She hit very well today but at certain points, sets were really bad that she hit randomly, hard inside the block which she managed to kill though. Hagglund seems to trust her a lot since she used her in pipe attacks very often too. At some point it was meaningless because if you have an attacker like Gözde Yilmaz in the front row, you have to try attacking from her side at least once before you try other options. I know most people won't agree but in my opinion, Hagglund is pulling the team down and Yamamay could do much better with a setter who makes better decisions and has better technique, for instance Lo Bianco. I'm telling this because Gözde Yilmaz is a well established attacker who proved herself in several serious tournaments like Karsta Lowe, while I don't remember many serious accomplishments of Hagglund.

Quote from Martin

Hooligans in Gent last night :

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/956/M…se-voetbalhooligans.dhtml

OMG! whats wrong with these people? I'm sure they have no clue of how volleyball is played at all but just go to games to calm down their not ending hate.

Quote from Gomes

I think that for sure this final 4 in Turkish League could be better than Champions.. but last season was a total disappointment.. far from what was expected..

About Champions League final 4 let's hope for the best (Volero, Chemik, Pomi, Vitra, Fener, Kazan, Moscow, Vakif)

Are you guys watching the Turkish league this season? Because Sariyer won against Eczacibasi and teams are much more balanced. Nilufer, Sariyer, Bursa BB, Canakkale, these are all underdogs and have potential to win against the top 4 teams this season. Even Halkbank has a balanced team. The only team that I dont like to watch in the league this season is Ilbank, rest are all full of surprises.

Quote from Grey

About Zhu Ting.. she is absolutely one of the best OHs but if Y.K Kim is having a huge success outside Asia, that does not mean all the Asian players will have the same success.
We all saw how horrible was Wang Yimei's experience in Eczaci, and how horrible was Saori's experience in Vakif even tough she was working here with a good coach.
It's not about the game style but about how to adapt with the new culture and the new lifestyle in Europe.. That is much easier for an American player because their culture is close to the European one, so here they have no troubles and give you 100% on court.
When it comes to an Asian player, first of all there is a language barrier, she can not coumunicate with her teammates and coach and they also can not comunicate with her, that's was Wang Yimei's case.
Saori is also not speaking English but she did not have any problems to comunicate because when she came to Turkey, she was there with Gen Kawakita who worked two years as an Assistant for Guidetti in Vakif.
If i need to give an advice to the Asian players who wants to play in Europe i will tell them to play in Italy first for 2 or 3 years and after they will be able to play in Turkey, Russia or anywhere else because in Italy the Asian player have the chance to grow up by working with some good coaches, in Turkey or Russia the teams are thinking more about winnig cups, they don't have the patience to start with an Asian player from 0.
So for me it's a big risk to sign an Asian player, Fener did it once and managed to get a diamond.. the others failed.

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I think Wang and Saori's cases are different. Wang Yimei was done as a volleyball player when she came to Eczacibasi, she was overweighted and out of shape. Besides she was relatively old. For Saori, it is silly to expect her to be a dominant scorer in any team in Europe. It was just a bad transfer policy like they did with Sheilla. Saori did much better in GsD the year after, when she played with setter Gamze who actually gave her quick sets that she liked. Remember that GsD was a set far from eliminating Vakifbank that year from the finals in the Turkish league with Saori-Rabadzhieva duo.
However Zhu Ting is still young and her game style is very different than Saori & Wang. I think her game looks more like KYK and also her physical attributes are similar to her. I agree to earlier comments that KYK was the only option for her position in the NT and she had to be strong. I would stop generalizing things like Asia, but instead I would say, Chinese players either get injured more often or leave volleyball in much earlier ages. I hope the same wont happen for Zhu Ting. I agree about cultural and language barriers but I hope her managers are recommending Zhu to learn English already since is expected to be an international star.

Quote from Canter

i like Gs's team..they have a balanced starting team although the bench is not that balanced and experienced as the starting team..they dont have supper offence as the other three teams but not bad either..Gs's middles look more efficient than EcV''s ones to me..they(Gs) try as much as they can and i like it.

I like this team much more than earlier years with Meijners, Neriman Özsoy etc. However, for having such defensive OHs, the receiving stats for the team are not that good. I expected them to receive around 40-50% perfect receiving in overall. We saw what setter Gamze does when the reception is good and uses middles more often than others. Especially in yesterday's game against Fenerbahce, receptions were often on 3 meter line and Jackson had to hit the almost behind herself. Too bad that the team could not afford to transfer a good receiving libero like Aycanaz or Ceren Cihan and play with 2 libero system with Nihan. Then we could watch a better GS in attacking as well.