Posts by theloneracer

Quote from sitenoise

I don't have access to how many attacks by a player were blocked. That would be cool to know as something different from just a non-kill. (maybe Japan counts a blocked ball as an error?) Also, we don't get "dig" numbers

Japan and FIVB don't calculate receive stats the same. FIVB does straight up: (excellents – errors) / touches. Japan makes no accounting for errors. They do (1 X Excellents + .5 X non-errors) / touches. So Japan reception winners are in the 60-70% range. FIVB and I guess Korea are in 30-40% range. Turkey's are, I guess in the 70s. I don't know the formula they use but an example given was: "if you got %60 positive and 40% perfect reception, your overall reception would be %50".

What got me interested in wanting to understand this was not that your stats are confusing. Someone posted recently that in FIVB tournaments a decade ago reception winners were in the 50% range. Now they are in the 30% range. The reason given was that serves have gotten much better. But it seemed to me that they must be calculating it differently than I understand it ... because even a decade ago if/when serves were not as good, 50% would be a poor win (the way Japan calculates it). FIVB calculates reception efficiency like hitting efficiency: Kills and/or Excellents minus errors divided by touches. There's no accounting for non-kills that aren't errors nor receptions that are playable but weren't excellent.

Or maybe I still don't get it

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Don't worry about it. Different group of people will alway have their own unique way of measuring thing. For example, Americans still refusing to change to the metric system.

Another thing you might have neglected is the development of the actual volleyball ball. I'm guessing the old volleyball balls didn't move in the air as much as their modern counterpart making receiving a little bit harder.

theloneracer · Wednesday, 4:28 am

If anyone is interested, the latest Korean high school volleyball tournament final is about to start between Hanbom H.S. vs Mokpo Girls' Comm. H.S..

You can find the other matches including the girls' middle school for this competition on the same channel. Not all the prominent teams participated in this comp.

** Just warning everyone again, this is not pretty volleyball like how the Japanese high school is. **

theloneracer · Wednesday, 2:34 am

Quote from sitenoise

In a related procedural question, what is the best way to notate this stuff? 8,21/53 or 53/21-8, or what? This example being 21 successes with 8 errors on 53 attempts.

When I sometimes give an 'attack success rate', which I call the "Kill%" I do it for the same reason as you. That's what Japan lists and I don't want to do math -- until it's useful like pointing out that Neriman has the same "Hit%" (efficiency) as Mizuki Yanagita.

There's also the whole nomenclature thing: 'efficiency', 'percentage' 'rate'. When I started doing this I called it the "attack rate" because that's what google translated the Japanese as. Then I went with "batting average" because that's how I roll

This caused brahmin to pull all his hair out

I just discovered in the Turkey thread that they (maybe all Europe) have a third way of describing reception, different from Japan and FIVB--which is what you use, correct? (excellents – errors) / all touches

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IMO it would be 21 - 8 - # of attack blocked/5 for attack efficiency as it match the formula that is used to calculate efficiency in volleyball but the more numbers you write down, particularly in a cell, the more confusing it look.

Even though I tried to make it easy as possible for everyone to understand by putting it in simple maths like 21/56 (37.50%) which is how you find the success rate, people still got confused. Imagine putting in more figure to this it may confuse more people.

Yes the way I calculate the receive efficiency is the same way the Japan, FIVB and KOVO.

theloneracer · Wednesday, 1:33 am

Quote from Alves

Can you tell me what's going on with this odds in the match between Caltex and Heungkuk? My question is two posts earlier

I would love to help but I have no idea on why this is.

There was talk about some of the GS Caltex players are not in the best condition. GS head coach mention that Han Soo-Ji has a waist problem and Kang So-Hwi's abs ain't good and her knees are the same (Source: 1 & 2). And despite GS Caltex beating Heungkuk at KOVO Cup, I think most people still expect Heungkuk to win the league. Heungkuk have a really strong team on paper, they have like 4 Korean NT representatives in their starting lineup (5 NT level players if you included Fresco) so it is not surprising the odds are the way they are. Another aspect in Heungkuk favour is that this will be there first match and they are still fresh while GS played are full 5-set match just a few days ago.

I'm not a betting man so I have never taken an interest in these things but you can try to monitor the Koreans news sources to find the latest news. You can try Naver (which has articles from various media sources) or you can try thespike.co.kr, they usually release articles with pre-match interview with the head coaches just before the matches.

theloneracer · Tuesday, 11:35 pm

For the match against Heungkuk during the KOVO Cup, Lazareva's attack success rate was 38.71% and her attack efficiency (or spike efficiency) was 29.03%.

The percentage number in the brackets shown under the "Attack" column in my match stats summaries is the success rate and is not for attack efficiency. However the percentage number found in the brackets under the "Receive" column is for receive efficiency.

I decide to not include the attack efficiency in my stat summaries for two reasons. Firstly, it is too time consuming to work it out for every single players and secondly it is easy to find the numbers needed to work out a player's attack efficiency from the stats provided by KOVO.

I hope this help sort out the confusion people had with what the number in my match stats summaries means.

theloneracer · Oct 19th 2020

For all our new visitors and those who might not know where to find the replays like bibetron.

Click on the Display Spoiler under Full Replay and copy one of the line of text (e.g. kVXDMYe1d58).

Go to a popular video stream site (YOU know the one I am talking about).

Select any video to watch from this site.

Once selected, go to the URL field and highlights all the text after the "=" sign.

Paste the line of text you had previously copied over the highlighted text and hit ENTER.

theloneracer · Oct 18th 2020

KOVO Dodram V-League 2020-2021

Round 1 Match 2 (#4) - KGC Ginseng Corp. vs. IBK Industrial Bank Altos - October 18th, 2020

Highlights:

https://sports.news.naver.com/…o&id=729749&redirect=true

http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/63186242

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Full Replay:

https://sports.news.naver.com/…o&id=729763&redirect=true

https://programs.sbs.co.kr/spo…gue/vod/66992/22000391552

http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/63184628

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Match Photos:

https://www.kovo.co.kr/media/32002_photo_view.asp?num=28557

http://thespike.co.kr/news/new…hp?ncode=1065616319936706

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Match Result:

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Match Stats Summary:

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MVP:

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Current Team Standings:

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Upcoming Schedule:

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theloneracer · Oct 18th 2020

Another KGC player with a left knee injury.

Hope JUNG Ho-Young is okay and it is not as serious as it look but she seem to be in a lot of pain. See look much more confident now that she move to the MB.

theloneracer · Oct 18th 2020

Kim Hee-Jin come into the game late in the first set. Fairly even for most of the match.

Poor Eun-Jin, she took one right in the face from Lazareva.

theloneracer · Oct 18th 2020

Serve receives will decide the winner of today match between KGC and IBK Altos. This is a weakness for both teams.

KGC look set to be without two of their OHs with JI Min-Kyeong and KO Min-Ji both having knee injuries.

Min-Kyeong had a bad left knee and couldn't play during KOVO Cup. She is participating in team training but didn't playing in their practice match against GS Caltex two weeks ago. Min-Ji had surgery during the off-season for an abnormality in her left knee and is now working on her rehabilitation. Source: 1

KGC will most likely go with OH KO Ui-Jeong along side OH CHOI Eun-Ji and Li OH Ji-Young in the receiving line. Ui-Jeong has a good serve and strong attacking power but like typical South Korean OHs of recent time they are a bit poor in the receiving.

Alongside OH PYO Seung-Ju and Li SHIN Yeon-Gyeong in the receiving line, IBK will either pick KIM Ju-Hyang or YOOK Seo-Young. However both are also weak in serve receptions.

Latest news is that MB/OP KIM Hee-Jin will start from the warm-up zone and IBK will start with CHOI Ga-Eun alongside KIM Su-Ji in the MB position. Libero HAN Ji-Hyun has also been included in the roster. Source: 1

theloneracer · Oct 18th 2020

A few of GS players were carrying injuries before yesterday game against Hyundai.

MB MOON Myoung-Hwa has an ankle injury and was unavailable for the game. Not sure when she will return. MB HAN Soo-Ji has a bad waist and OH KANG So-Hwi abs and knee ain't good either. Sources: 1, 2

Surprisingly Hyundai E&C sent in KIM Da-In as the starting setter for their opening match with GS Caltex.

Da-In did an okay job overall, however there were some wayward sets and miscommunications with her teammates that cost them points or lost them the attacking momentum. Hyundai's head coach LEE Do-Hee stated that she she picked Da-In ahead of LEE Na-Yeon because GS knows and understand Na-Yeon better (FYI Na-Yeon used to play for GS about 3~4 seasons ago).

Again, Hyundai just can't seem to handle GS serving. AN Hye-Jin doing the bulk of the damage with 4 serve aces. GS also out blocked Hyundai with both Merete LUTZ and Soo-Ji getting 5 block kills each.

Jeong Ji-Yun was very exciting to watch yesterday. Hyundai has so much versatility with Helene ROUSSEAUX in the team. They must be still dreading losing LEE Da-Yeong.

theloneracer · Oct 17th 2020

KOVO Dodram V-League 2020-2021

Round 1 Match 1 (#2) - Hyundai E&C Hillstate vs. GS Caltex Seoul KIXX - October 17th, 2020

Highlights:

https://sports.news.naver.com/…o&id=728981&redirect=true

http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/63133654

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Full Replay:

https://sports.news.naver.com/…o&id=728979&redirect=true

https://programs.sbs.co.kr/spo…gue/vod/66992/22000391548

http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/63131921

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Match Photos:

https://www.kovo.co.kr/media/32002_photo_view.asp?num=28546

http://thespike.co.kr/news/new…hp?ncode=1065599259766536

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Match Result:

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Match Stats Summary:

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MVP:

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Achievements:

Hyundai E&C HWANG Min-Kyoung became the 10th player to achieve 3,500 successful digs with 13 from the match (currently on 3,504).
Hyundai E&C JEONG Ji-Yun became the 87th player to achieve 500 points with 21 from the match (currently on 503).

Current Team Standings:

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theloneracer · Oct 15th 2020

Quote from econmtl

Interesting from Hi-pass coach. Last year, they employed mostly a two-person receiving system with Moon Jung-won and Yim Myung-ok. This year, they'll go back to a traditional three-person system where Park Jeong-ah and Jeon Sae-yan will participate with the reception. If this works, Moon can get a breather and be more effective on the attack.

I wonder how long they will be able to keep using the three-person receiving system with their current roster before they revert back to a two-person receiving system. I can already see opposition teams going after Park Jeong-Ah and Jeon Sae-Yan.

FYI I have also added a replay link of Media Day on youtube on the previous page.

theloneracer · Oct 15th 2020

Quote from akitoakie

Just realize that Plummer is gonna play on the same league with her Stanford senior, Lutz.

Isn't Plummer playing in the Japanese V-League for Denso Airybees?

There was two Stanford graduates playing in the Korean V-League last season, with Hayley Spelman playing for Hyundai E&C and Merete Lutz for GS Caltex.

theloneracer · Oct 15th 2020

The V-League Media Day for the women's team is on today at around about 14:00 KST (broadcast start 10 minutes earlier at 13:50 KST). If anyone is interested in watching it should be on one or either of the two broadcasting channels and Naver.

Attendee for Media Day for each team:

Hyundai E&C: LEE Do-Hee, YANG Hyo-Jin, Helene ROUSSEAUX

GS Caltex: CHA Sang-Hyun, LEE So-Young, Merete LUTZ

Heungkuk: Park Mi-Hee, LEE Jae-Young, Lucia FRESCO

KGC: LEE Young-Taek, OH Ji-Young, Valentina DIOUF

IBK Altos: KIM Woo-Jae, KIM Hee-Jin, Anna LAZAREVA

Expressway: KIM Jong-Min, BAE Yoo-Na, Kelsie PAYNE

※ Originally, KYK was suppose to attend for Heungkuk but she got some award ceremony to go to

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Replay - https://sports.news.naver.com/…o&id=727867&redirect=true

IBK Altos
No. Player [Position]	Point	Attack	Ace	Dig	Set	Receive	Block	Error
7. Anna LAZAREVA [OP]	27	25/65 (38.46%)	0	8	2	--	2	11
19. PYO Seung-Ju [OH]	19	19/38 (50.00%)	0	12	1	14-4/49 (20.41%)	0	2
11. KIM Su-Ji [MB]	10	6/15 (40.00%)	2	5	1	0/1 (0.00%)	2	0
1. YOOK Seo-Young [OH]	8	8/33 (24.24%)	0	15	--	5/24 (20.83%)	0	3
4. KIM Hee-Jin [MB]	8	6/12 (50.00%)	0	8	1	1/2 (50.00%)	2	2
14. CHO Song-Hwa [S]	2	0/3 (0.00%)	1	13	50	--	1	2
12. KIM Su-Bin [OH]	0	--	0	--	--	--	--	0
3. SHIN Yeon-Gyeong [Li]	0	--	--	30	3	7-1/18 (33.33%)	--	1
18. SIM Mi-Og [OH]	0	--	0	--	0	--	--	0
Team	74	64/166 (38.55%)	3	91	58	27-5/94 (23.40%)	7	21

GS Caltex
No. Player [Position]	Point	Attack	Ace	Dig	Set	Receive	Block	Error
13. Merete LUTZ [OP]	32	28/74 (37.84%)	1	9	1	--	3	7
1. LEE So-Young [OH]	16	12/33 (36.36%)	1	17	1	13/30 (43.33%)	3	3
19. YOO Seo-Yeun [OP]	8	7/17 (41.18%)	0	9	0	6-1/15 (33.33%)	1	2
18. KWON Min-Ji [OH]	7	6/9 (66.67%)	1	6	--	--	0	0
9. HAN Soo-Ji [MB]	5	2/4 (50.00%)	0	7	0	0-1/1 (0.00%)	3	0
10. KANG So-Hwi [OH]	4	3/19 (15.79%)	0	10	1	12/31 (38.71%)	1	5
7. AN Hye-Jin [S]	3	--	2	2	24	--	1	1
17. MOON Ji-Yun [OP]	2	2/3 (66.67%)	--	--	--	--	0	1
6. LEE Won-Jeong [S]	2	1/2 (50.00%)	0	9	25	--	1	1
16. KIM Yu-Ri [MB]	1	1/4 (25.00%)	0	--	--	--	--	1
8. KIM Hae-Bin [OH]	0	--	0	--	--	--	--	0
4. HAN Da-Hye [Li]	0	--	--	14	3	3-1/11 (18.18%)	--	0
12. HAN Su-Jin [Li]	0	--	--	10	2	--	--	0
Team	80	62/165 (37.58%)	5	93	57	34-3/88 (35.23%)	13	21

Rank	Team	Victory Point	MP	Win	Loss	Sets Ratio (+/-)	Points Ratio (+/-)
1	Heungkuk Life Insurance Pink Spiders	6	2	2	0	3.000 (6/2)	1.088 (211/194)
2	Hyundai E&C Hillstate	5	2	2	0	3.000 (6/2)	1.065 (179/168)
3	IBK Industrial Bank Altos	4	2	1	1	1.250 (5/4)	1.021 (192/188)
4	GS Caltex Seoul KIXX	3	3	1	2	0.750 (6/8)	0.981 (303/309)
5	KGC Ginseng Corp.	0	2	0	2	0.333 (2/6)	0.914 (181/198)
6	Korea Expressway Corp. Hi-Pass	0	1	0	1	0.000 (0/3)	0.880 (66/75)

Heungkuk Pink Spiders
No. Player [Position]	Point	Attack	Ace	Dig	Set	Receive	Block	Error
17. LEE Jae-Yeong [OH]	25	22/42 (52.38%)	2	18	1	12-2/34 (29.41%)	1	5
10. KIM Yeon-Koung [OH]	21	19/36 (52.78%)	2	8	4	9/21 (42.86%)	0	6
12. Lucia FRESCO [OP]	18	16/41 (39.02%)	2	9	0	--	0	5
4. LEE Ju-Ah [MB]	6	4/8 (50.00%)	0	2	0	1/2 (50.00%)	2	0
13. KIM Se-Young [MB]	5	0/5 (0.00%)	1	3	0	1/2 (50.00%)	4	0
11. Lee Da-Yeong [S]	4	1/3 (33.33%)	1	8	53	--	2	1
14. PARK Hyeon-Ju [OH]	1	--	1	1	--	--	--	1
19. KIM Mi-Youn [OH]	0	0/2 (0.00%)	0	2	1	0/3 (0.00%)	--	0
8. DO Su-Been [Li]	0	--	--	8	0	10/21 (47.62%)	--	0
5. PARK Sang-Mi [Li]	0	--	--	12	1	--	--	0
Team	80	62/137 (45.26%)	9	71	60	33-2/83 (37.35%)	9	18

KGC Ginseng
No. Player [Position]	Point	Attack	Ace	Dig	Set	Receive	Block	Error
13. Valentina DIOUF [OP]	35	32/63 (50.79%)	0	9	--	--	3	7
11. CHOI Eun-Ji [OH]	13	12/26 (46.15%)	0	12	1	13-4/38 (23.68%)	1	1
16. KO Ui-Jeong [OH]	9	8/20 (40.00%)	0	4	0	4-1/16 (18.75%)	1	3
12. HAN Song-Yi [MB]	6	4/9 (44.44%)	0	6	1	0-1/1 (0.00%)	2	1
4. LEE Ye-Sol [OH]	5	5/10 (50.00%)	--	--	--	--	0	0
7. KO Min-Ji [OH]	5	4/7 (57.14%)	1	2	0	7-2/14 (35.71%)	0	3
6. PARK Eun-Jin [MB]	1	1/9 (11.11%)	0	6	3	--	0	3
2. HA Hyo-Rim [S]	1	--	1	--	6	--	--	0
3. YEUM Hye-Seon [S]	0	0/3 (0.00%)	0	7	53	--	0	1
15. LEE Seon-Woo [OH]	0	0/1 (0.00%)	--	--	--	1/2 (50.00%)	--	1
8. NA Hyun-Soo [MB]	0	--	--	--	--	--	0	0
9. OH Ji-Young [Li]	0	--	--	22	1	14-1/20 (65.00%)	--	0
18. LEE Sol-Ah [S]	0	--	0	--	--	--	--	1
10. CHAE Seon-Ah [OH]	0	--	--	1	--	1/2 (50.00%)	--	0
Team	75	66/148 (44.59%)	2	69	65	40-9/93 (33.33%)	7	21

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