Posts by StefanS

    I totally agree with you.


    But who can change rules and in my opinion has the duty to save and support the economy no matter how big or small it is ? The government.

    This sector professional team sports is considered as completely private. So the government will not do anything about it, despite of course they could do legislation, which would direct a small part of men's soccer funding into other team sports, which would make totally sense from a sports perspective.

    When you ask me there is a culture of sports sponsorship in German volleyball. All teams are most sponsored from the local economy especially by small and medium - sized enterprises. You can look on every club side, most sponsors from local area. In Europe Germany has the highest energy costs and that is of no interest to any economy. (sorry for little off topic)


    We will see what the future brings but I'm worried that we going back to 9 teams in league.

    The root issue is, that sponsors for sports in Germany are estimated as 95% vested only in men's football first three professional leagues. This empties the possible sponsors largely for other team sports, and volleyball is not even number two here, clearly even behind handball, basketball and ice hockey (all only men). So the clubs are fighting for the few non men's soccer sponsors and those are neither many nor rich ones. This is visible when you trace the sum of sponsoring in volleyball for all professional clubs together (including men), this is constantly at a ceiling of at most 16 million Euros. That sponsoring for women's volleyball works at all is due to popularity for spectators, which we know also from many other countries, they are better than most other team sports of women.

    Where is the money supposed to come from? If the German government carries on like this in future you can close the championship. There won't be any sponsors from economy.

    Suhl only needs one more player (MB) but I'm wondering too.

    You can't blame the government because there is no culture of sports sponsorship aside from men's soccer in Germany.

    USC Münster is strengthening its coaching staff with Jürgen Wagner, who will serve as an individual coach. He is known for his success as a beach volleyball coach, having led both Brink/Reckermann and Ludwig/Walkenhorst to world championship title and Olympic gold. However, he has also achieved success as an indoor coach, guiding CJD Feuerbach (women) and Moerser SC (men) to German championship titles.


    Link: USC Münster gewinnt Jürgen Wagner als Individualtrainer

    Indeed he is one of the most renowned volleyball coaches of the world, received the highest international prize for example in beach volleyball for leading Brink/Reckermann in 2012 and Ludwig/Walkenhorst 2016 to Olympic Gold.

    German league is in the same boat as Polish if not less. Poland manages to keep up with their talent pool and have promising talent on th way but Germany still doesn't have an opp like Lippmann or any other promising OHs. Grozer is a nepobaby and her angle is still her father and Helena. That's far more worrying than their budget.

    But there are no foreigner limitations in German club teams, i.e. if they have enough money (the strongest teams ever by Stuttgart had really few German players), they can hire enough good (predominantly international) players.

    Honestly, the matches in the group stage look so pointless given current balance of power in Europe. I don’t wanna disrespect any team, but does anyone doubt the outcome when an Italian or Turkish team plays against other countries’ teams right now?


    And I’m afraid this won’t change until other big economies in Europe start investing more, like Germany, France and maybe UK (the last one was a joke) . I hope Russian teams push the gas once they return to competition.

    In the shorter view only Russian teams can give more competition to Italy and Turkey now. Germany would have to increase the team budgets a lot to get competetive, they have even lost contact the last two years even more than before.

    Very bad draw for likely new national champion Dresden: with Conegliano, Novara and Rzeszow this is kind of mission impossible, hard not to get kicked out completely in pool stage.

    Not Conegliano and Rzeszow together AGAIN :rolll: I feel like they've been playing each other in group stage almost every recent year.


    Group E will be fun to follow in terms of unpredictability

    Suhl is much weaker than last seson, supposed to be last, would guess Gala being first and Lodz second.

    Table of first round in competition, many (6 + 4) descending from CL into this as usual:


    Crevena Zvevzda Beograd - Liberec

    Kaposvar - Stuttgart

    CL 11/12 - Kastela

    CL 3/4 - Nancy


    Schwerin - Las Palmas

    Puijo Kuopio - Bielsko-Biala

    CL 5/6 - Dynamo Bukarest

    bye - Alba Blaj


    Frydek-Mistek - Bekescsaba

    bye - Smyrni

    Gran Canaria - Oudegem

    CL 7/8 - Ankara Zeren


    CL 1/2 - Neuchatel

    CL 9/10 - ZOK UB (SRB)

    bye - Cannes

    bye - Chieri

    DOL Results:


    A: VakifBank, Opole, Mulhouse, upper Q

    B: Conegliano, Rzeszow, Dresden, Novara

    C: Fenerbahce, Milano, Paris, Budapest

    D: Scandicci, Eczacibasi, Obrenovac, lower Q

    E: Budowlani Lodz, Suhl, Voluntari, Galatasaray


    Novara was wildcard team, therefore it was possible and happened to get into the same pool as Conegliano


    Qual.:


    1. Porto - Andalucia

    2. Asterix - Maribor


    3. TOVUZ/AZE - Zagreb

    4. NOVI - PLOWDIW

    Also CEV Cup is drawn, but so far I couldn't even the teams in that competition, despite most stronger ones are known due to qualification rules. For this CL the usual DOL rules should apply anyway.

    then they do not really belong at OG, do they?

    Let's face reality: since 2004 they failed every time to qualify for OG, despite several times being as close as possible (one decisive match lost or one place too bad in ranking). It's always a maximum demand campaign for them to qualify. But this has also to do with the disadvantage belonging to the continental federation with the most strong teams, the pretty small number of teams at OG and presence of not performing teams from Africa or at times also otherwise not qualifying hosts.

    imo it has always been difficult for Germany, but Canada can qualify by winning the NORCECA championships, right?


    Same applies for Germany winning the CEV Euro’s next month but that’s delulu


    or win the world championships :cheesy::cheesy::cheesy:

    Germany will win exactly nothing you know.

    So far I understand the rules for getting into VNL, highest ranking counts for VNL 2027, and that is clearly Russia.


    On the other hand it is pretty clear that Russia is eligible for the OG qualification in USA now. That is very bad news for teams like Canada or Germany, both missing the OG by just one step/ranking no the last Olympic Cycles, because Russia is reinstated with a ranking before both and is supposed to confirm this by the next matches they play.


    Anyway, this will have huge consequences for several teams and sure, they have to live with it: if Canada or Germany wants to qualify for OG, they have to perform well enough.

    Unless the qualification system changes for the 2027 U19 World Championship, it is a shame that the Russian 2009/2010 generation will miss out; it is Russia's most talented generation since the 2002/2003/2004 cohort featuring Arina, Tolok, Antropova, Gatina, Akimova, Kochurina, Kobzar etc.

    Maybe FIVB will give them sort of wildcard? (they would like to, I am sure)