Congrats Japan and Japan fans, sad that we couldn't've played a better volleyball today. Time to learn and prepare for world champs.
P.S: i think Japan was lucky in a way that we manage to do as much mistake as them which is unlikely for Japan imo to make sooo much mistake in a game
shut up you
Umu11 what bothered u my friend? We r just sharing thoughts in a chilled way. 
Inspired by ezo, I can also tell that Turkish society was in a loop until Erdogan came in power. Both military coups in 60s and 80s were simply to make sure someone like Erdogan not getting the power. The most clear case is Adnan Menderes, and back then it was clear that society wanted a one-man leadership, centre-right etc, similar to what we see with Erdogan or? However this process was always cancelled by the military involvement where Adnan Menderes got death penalty.
Therefore, although it harmed Turkey to a great extent, I am glad we had to go through these 20 years and society finally can understand how this movie ends which was always cut in half due to military involvement. It is a big lesson which I hope people will remember and talk about for decades, hopefully meaning that they do not go for the same mistake again.
I agree that with everything we have gone through and we have lost, hopefully we will (all of us) learn from this extreme experience.
I, however, disagree ur take about other coups (other than 1960 coup). My take about 1980 coup is pretty much in parallel with this declaration https://www.mmo.org.tr/merkez/…in-dorugu-akp-iktidaridir
i think it openned the way to AKP goverment with its socio-econ. and cultural policies. The way they used the terms and values that founded this country created a generation that was reactive to these values and terms. U might think it as Erdoğan trying to endoctrinate youth but skyrocketing atheism, but i disagree with this take as well (disagree the take that army accidentally created such a generation). I think that generation was exactly the aim of the army. Or of a group within the army.
Thanks for your answer. You are still 10 years younger than me
I can't believe that time is flying so fast, that I'll be 40 soon - I'm already so old
However, both were autocratic regimes, where political opponents were imprisoned for having different views. I wonder if there is a chance and when it will happen for Turkey to have some form of democracy (like Poland, for example, or Czech Republic) and for such situations not to occur. Unfortunately, it will probably be difficult now, because the international situation is difficult, so Erdogan can do more - UE, USA and Russia need him, but I hope that this will change someday.
Age is just a number my friend (i would've felt like a 60 year-old grandma the other week but now im in the streets with uni students, resistence makes u feel younger. I can advice that )
That's quite enough. I was interested in the opinion of someone from the inside, because those people from the Turkish diaspora, with whom I sometimes have contact, are simply very anti-Erdogan, and therefore not very objective.
I dont know if i can be considered objective or not tho. I am in favor of secularism, not a secular dictatorship but a secular democracy ofc. Then there comes Sokrates and our 'old republic' (im a swtor fan btw ) : anti-democratic thoughts finding way in a democracy can implode a democracy. Will we call Islamists an opposition or enemy of the republic, obviously the old regime did the second. On my part im still trying to find the answer of which is there a way to co-exist (well there must be if we want to end this violent spiral). But for that to happen, first Islamists should stop seeing the republic itself as an object to take revenge from for ending the ottoman empire and the caliphate. On that regard i find ur thought about the old republic a bit too Western-ish 
Turkey is both in Balkans and in Middle East, two places where identity politics cost way too much and took a toll on both people and countries. We have to also recall good things the old republic did. Old regime DID give up its chair to Adnan Menderes, one of two great things İnönü did was to give up his chair without intervention. But Adnan Menderes resorted to identity politics and became more and more autocrat, and violence began. Was the coup necessary tho? Idk, but army didnt trust its own people thats for sure. But the constitution the army did was the most democratic Turkey ever had. It was very pluralistic and there were many check and balance systems to state and its authority. One perspective on other coups is that they were done to dismantle the 1961 constitution and its effects on society, where the army believed it gave way to communism. And ofc there is 1971 coup, did u know that a few days before the coup was done, left-kemalists in the army tried to make a coup that will turn Turkey into socialist state but stopped by the right-wings in the army (not many people knows that even in Turkey). A perspective to 1980 coup is also to both dismantle 1961 constitution and also to introduce free-market economy to Turkey.
Long story short i dont think im objective but one thing for sure is i feel a lot more political these few days so, sorry for uninvitedly sharing thoughts 
If u require a more professional answer for a reason, i can try to help tho. Would be like when i was doing research for the uni in good old days.
I would like to know the opinion of an experienced person who lived before and during Erdogan: when was life better? Before or now? Do you know the opinion of such people?
I am not the expert due to my age, and my research skills 
not so young anymore but i was 7 when AKP rose to power. Now im almost 30. I grew up with this regime. I believe ur question depends on who u ask tho, i will give u the example from my family then. My family is an ethnically and religously a minority in Turkey, a random middle class family. But when my grandfather retired, his pension was 10 times the minimum wage. A super-retired (if thats a thing in English) now his pension is almost the same as minimum wage. We r now a working class family. Middle class, in general, is almost gone. Plus being a minority, i feel insecure from time to time, aspecially when i see direct targeting from govt. trolls on social media but my family still doesnt share this feeling, however my cousins, for example, who r close to my age share a similar concern. So in general my family would've felt a lot 'better' in 'old days' both economically and politically. But there r a lot of examples of whom might feel securer and/or wealthier under Erdoğan regime.
Lol thats what I thought 😅 pity that duvar is discontinued
Who'd have thought that i will learn gazete duvaR is shotting down from a volleyball forum 
Any chance that someone has a link for Eczacı-Schwerin match (Vakıf match would be appreciated as well)
Couldn't find the thread for Challenge Cup (probably doesn't exist?) I believe GS TV wont broadcast the AO Thiras match. Anyone knows how to watch the game?
Great news
wow now we have proof that money can't buy tradition nor being a powerhouse
Congratulations brazil
His name is Cengiz Göllü, look him up.
Let's not act like Turkish volleyball started with Vargas or Santarelli... Sure the addition made Turkey a stronger team after Neslihan retired, to try to fill her shoes but it has a tradition that led to 2003. Sure, not a history that is as shiny as Brazil's or whatnot but a history and tradition nonetheless. A history that had a lot of troubles and struggle. Am I upset that TVF was not organized enough to raise its own competitive OPP, yes! But I'm also happy for Vargas and Turkey for making a synergy at such short notice. Am I happy Turkey stole Santa from Serbia, not too much. But it was his own decision to come to Turkey. For money? Probably yes, but his own decision. Am I happy Gui is gone? Hell yes! He did so much but his time was up for numerous reasons. I should also add M. Akif Üstündağ (TVF president) and his doings: he irritates me a lot for a lot of reasons but I believe he mostly means well and a little gullible even. I'm writing those because after these two additions (Vargas and Santa) to the team I feel like there is even more toxicity on the forum than before which led me to not come here for so long. Anyways greetings to everyone who are still in the forum o/ I hope everyone is well.
Congrats to Brazil, they were the better team on the court yesterday. I'm happy for them especially Thaisa but extremely sorry for our girls as well. Brazil always seems as fiercely carrying the olympic spirit for me whereas our girls but also Santa seemed quite nervous to me.
Ugh I just love the CONFIDENCE Tugba oozes, like I'm lesbian for her any day
"so thats how it is now"
Didn't see the Match but seeing your comments here make me angry with Guidetti 🤦 while she is at her peak performance, we have to live with Hande and Meliha as outsides 😂
waiting for Naz to punch Meliha in the face, maybe then he will start reconsidering 
yes its that time of the week lol boskovic should leave.
bit shi chiise ti stiy....
hande is smiling, phew
she has such a heartwarming smile... Glad i couldnt watch the match. All the best to her
I missed the entire match thinking it was at 17.00 (glad everyone enjoyed it 
) was really hoping for fener to win, but it was a fun tie-break to watch, and i hope Gabi will be ok. Congrats to Vakıf and Fener, and thanks for a great match!
VakıfBank 🆚 Fenerbahçe Opet "AXA Sigorta Kupa Voley Finali" | TRT SPOR Yıldız - YouTube
Remember the time that people thought that Haak was a flop and then she proved everybody wrong? It'll be the same with Egonu
And we will keep following the same pattern, just leave us alone
Thx for reminding me that epic series Meatballs 
runnerupster 1:23:37 can go either way tbh considering GS fans always have a reason to be displeased about their administration () but also it was 4 days before the referandum, so who knows
