replacement? fener doesn't even want to let ana c go, they have to get past that first
that is why i said “if” fener wanted an allaround OH as her replacement
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Same thing I said in the Brazil thread because someone blamed her for being injured all the time but obviously Fener keeping her there is their own management's stupidity. Let go of her so she can join a different club...
fener waits for here to recover from injuries obtained during the national team matches for two years and by the time it matters, she is not ready or stable enough. But they dont wanna let her go because if she peaks elsewhere it would be too painful to watch for the club. Indeed a tough conundrum.
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I am not sure about what I am going to say. Imoco's president had said some really disrespectful things before. The first thing comes to my mind was to imply that Gunes was a low level player (she was pretty bad that times due to injuries if I remember right).
I think that there is a misunderstood. When it comes to the word ''Turks'' it's not necessarelly means Vakifbank. Seeing what FB and GS did the last and this season make a lot of sense. There's no a specific and long-term plan in their actions. The last season GS signed, I do not even remember who many foreign players, only in order to have them on bench. FB signs a different coach every single season and change players without any logic, simply because the fans are displeased. Abbodanza departure makes zero sense. I have never seen FB works better as a team and under his leadership Arina made a huge step as a player. Castillo make zero sense as a transfer. Jack is amazing and should be starter, but what is FB going to do with their MB's? Benching Eda? It would be the right thing to do, if they want to change things but... On the other hand, Ana Cristina who is a top level player will stay in FB and do what? Be Hande's back up? Their biggest weakness, which is by far the second OH is going to remain the same and Baladin had negative efficiency in the finals... There are so many foreigns that they can not play all. Some will be on bench very unhappy.
Even in Ecza, Ishikawa's transfer make zero sense again, considering that Yaprak is truly progressing and becomes a stronge player. Ebrar is the number one, Uzelac is clearly a player with far greater potential and a higher ceiling than Ishikawa, and she will obviously be a priority for the club. Are you really trying to tell me that after giving so much playing time to Yaprak, who is also domestic — and who played ahead of Plummer, who has competed at a much higher level than Ishikawa and has actually won things — the club will suddenly ignore her and invest in Ishikawa? Especially considering that Ishikawa is a foreign player and basically has a really big disadvantage in her game — something that becomes a bigger problem, when you consider that top teams are becoming more and more physical. Remember what I’m telling you: the Japanese player will end up rotting on the bench and will only be used as a serving substitute. Even Vakif signed a MB only for the CL...
Again I do not know if what he told it's right or not, but generally Italian clubs are usually invest more in specific player ( which are paid less than they are payed in Turkey), locals or not, and insist too much until to see the result that they want. Plummer is an example. They let her get destroyed many times until to see her progress. Nobody in Turkey could let a player get destroyed- and dag the whole team down with her- in a CL final game, like Santarelli did... They give too much time and trust to Sillah and she really did not delivered a lot. Nothing really intersting in her perfomances, but yet they kept her and they'll wait to see how she will do the next season. Milano is also an other example. This season they player with Piva, Lanier and even Kurtagic who seemed to be really problematic as an attacker... Nobody of these three ( and even if someone desagrees with Hena let's say two) had ever played as starters in a top team before. They played in a final and they had 4 players ( Piva, Fersino, Lanier and Bosio) that have never experienced playing in a final...
I mean that in general Italians are more patient with their players, while in Turkey when you are foreign you just leave the club the moment you do not deliver ( Even after telling to the world that she is some kind of voleyball godess, Guidetti decided in some months to let Egonu go and go for Boskovic, for whom said to the world that he always know how to stop her...). The question is: Is this just a philosophy as Imoco's president said, or a compromise due to the fact that Italians have less money and must somehow to compete against ''the Turks''...
your criticism holds ironically true for not only top turkish clubs minus vakıfbank but also top italian teams minus imoco. Scandicci struggled dor example to play maja and castillo, imoco not having local OHs at one point. So again poor and superficial comparison with contradictions imho especially timingwise. About patience, thy has been patient w/bergman which paid off later on, fener is ever patient w/ ana&arina, vakıf with ayça, ecza with elif, hande etc. But true things are intenser here in turkey than the land of the chill italians.
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Funny fener was among the favorites to win for the last 4 years and with arguably better squads with improvements in libero and MB preserving the pins, it feels like they are no longer favorites neither for CL nor for sultans league.
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Both teams wanted her, but it seems Scandicci won.
she could have been one of the best replacements for ana c if fener wanted an all-around OH
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Maybe they can schedule the saturday games a bit earlier like 2-3 hours if they cannot shift it to Friday
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Is there somewhere i can watch the replay of imoco vs vakifbank?
turkish vpn + trt spor yıldız youtube page
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Welcome guidetti’s clipboard to our forum. Pleasure to have you here!
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Okay now kiss and make peace
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acting like a grammar police is uncool.
Glad i edit my hastily written messages.
so long we convey our opinions in a civilised manner who cares fckng irregular verbs which are in essence bullshit things to care about -
wouldn’t it be awesome if serbia/balkans all of a sudden gets sponsors and funds a great local league to spice things up just like euroleague. And on the other hand benelux countries do the same in a combined effort!
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I mean maybe their president shouldn’t talk about how they raise their own players and Turkish clubs just buy players if that’s the case
IdkThat’s what i’ve been saying all along. It is okay you are not comparable to vakıf or ecza or fener in terms of institutions but the guy brings the subject upon himself. Noone denies what imoco has accomplished and maybe they are still favorites for CL next season but you can’t throw shade on turkish teams about things that they are doing better and longer than imoco and let poor VBdiamond reinterpret/translate /defend what you claim. Anyways case closed in my mind. Thanx for bearing with me
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Guys we gotta accept there is prolly truth in Turkish tax like we have in football too, not so extreme as Saudi case in football but in all welfare indices turkey lags behind italy so it’s only natural players usually ask a premium. I believe the premium has been shrinking steadily in comparison to the early stages of Turkish expansion. Let’s just live with that.
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Just to add some oil to the fire
Brazilian fans are furious because of Imoco’s Co-President statement about CWCH. He said that venue was awful, they had a bad time and got bedbugs and there were medical reports to back up his statement.
Ofc now he issued an apology saying that he didn’t mean it and they want to clarify what he meant to say
now they demand gabi to make a statement:)
btw, i dont think it is racist as the turkish-brasilian fanbase try to portray it. There can very well be fleas if a shabby hotel was arranged regardless of the country. I had bed bugs in granada spain. The guy even mentions it is medically reported. This just shows poor organisation and cutting corners due to budgetary concerns. But average fans are more sensitive than clitoris. The guy is just by no means diplomatic enough and does not realise sth are best kept unsaid
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I hope other richer countries like germany, france, spain, england too invest in volleyball so that we are saved from this endless circle
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Praising Boskovic how pathetic - probably that user
this is typical strawman. The forum is unfortunately tainted with juvenile personalities who cannot create an argument without requiring to logical fallacies. I didn’t say that and i only commented on what i disagree with. But since this remark creates disapproval automatically u you put this in my mouth and since it is catchy it is liked by so many. Disappointing.
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And I disagree they snatch players from other teams to make them weaker, beucase, they really sign what they need and try to pick the best players... It's not like they signed Chirichella because they fear Novara (at some point she wasn't even starting there IIRC), but they know she offers more than Lubian. They signed Gabi and Zhu because they lost Robinson and Plummer and they were the best options to replace them...
then with all due respect, it is a crime everybody and nobody commits at the same time. Vakif signed tica because they needed a top opp, ecza also same with antrapova. Noone signs and can convince a top opp for example when they have another. Almost every transfer is a battle to satisfy a need within budget. I disagree with ishikawa transfer, they needed a balanced oh with stable reception when yaprak uzelac or ebrar cannot provide at all times. Risky due to foreign limit but useful for CL clashes and when uzelac crumbles under pressure.
We keep criticising teams for too many signings and for lack of depth in the bench when first 6 doesn’t work.
Sure there are some mismanagement and haste we see in the likes of gala. And even that is not snatching. Again you can either criticize yourself too foe poaching or just keep still because you and others do it for one way or another.
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imagine looking for drama when you can just celebrate 2 turkish teams on their success
a balancing act after last year’s flopping against italian dominance. Both well deserved. Kudos to both leagues
If you fail to see that yet AjmoDinamo
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Aleksic was great the year before this season but with Zeren she didn't contribute anything besides one game against Conegliano and no mihajlovic did NOT play a great role in Zeren. How many games did she even play?
it’s more of a bad squad(foreign limit) management than player’s fault imho. Look at every single MB fener brings with the hope to make a difference. They underperform because they play so little to create the necessary sync and chemistry between them and the setter.
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anka loves to play his victim card as usual they can't just be happy vakifbank won they gotta nitpick through everything what a miserable creature
Do you really mean me, playing the victim card? I am sorry to hear you feel that way? I always try to be as impartial as i can be despite my favorite teams. And because of that i asked specifically if the excerpt is taken out of context.
whether you like it or not: the chairman here, not me, is throwing shade at vakif here , during the interview right after the defeat, very open for misinterpretation to say the least.“we are not Turkish style, we don’t buy what we want: we work in a different way. We invest early, we develop the players and when they are ready, we bring them home”
He didn’t have to mention turkish teams here. And if he does i have a right to underline contradictions with material facts and numbers. Imoco is pretty much managed in turkish style they poach stars from their domestic and international rivals when they can. They can do that but if you claim you do otherwise then someone comments on it.Edit: i reread your comments and they are beyond provocative and petty, ad hominem par excellence. Please refrain from attacking the person and try to debunk the claims with facts and counter arguments instead, that is, if that is not too hard for you.