Posts by suminj

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Wow, thanks for the clarification. I heard that LDY and LJY were not together during that time so LJY was never directly involved in the bullying controversy. Honestly, it's just weird how big this issue got. Of course, bullying is wrong, but it's not so easy to decipher as if it's between black and white only.

It also doesn't help that a lot of the "bullies" caught during this controversy's heyday are found later to not be guilty.

Yup LDY said it herself that LJY was not there when the conflict happened

Same school but completely unrelated to her

Bullying 학폭 is wrong, but this case seems more like a single isolated incident of conflict between friends that got too heated

Based on how they were once friends and even watched movies together a few years after the incident, this is definitely not bullying as one would define it

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As for the bullying part, anyone who follows Korean volleyball news at least knows the fact that the accusations are primarily aimed at Lee Dayeong (since they didn't go to the same school). So it's pretty much clear that Jaeyeong is not part of the bullying controversy.

LDY & LJY were in the same school, the incident happened in 2nd year of middle school and they transferred schools (not sure if because of the incident or just family relocation)

There's more information (if you'd take their word for it) on the incident. Basically Dayeong had a group of friends she was close to, and they got into a conflict and she fought with one of them, and they both apologized to one another and settled it back during school days. But 10 years later 4 of their friends accused them and are trying to claim 100 million won each from the twins.

She had an interview too but I think it's not translated yet (link) where she said KYK did not spike her sets at all for 7 months (during training I suppose)

Problem is, their incident became international-level news when it broke and the public which doesn't follow news assumes that both of them were school bullies according to the claims made at the time, and the term 학폭 holds a very strong meaning of consistent bullying & tormenting (like in The Glory if you will)

So something which only involved DY & was a once-off conflict became so large because their club made them apologize & keep quiet for so long.

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My hopes of seeing Jaeyong play in the league this year (or any year probably) is definitely no longer viable. KYK is a golden child of Korea, and any slight against her is probably like an attack on the nation. Bad timing as well given that KYK is vying for an OIC position.

KYK will not be IOC nominee, Park Inbee (golf) was selected instead (link)

Surprisingly comments were not as favourable for KYK as expected considering her popularity

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I think they're allowing the youngsters to play?

Odd that they don't want to aim for KOVO Cup since KYK can help the club win that

Quote from Kofudakji

except heungkuk all the team use their main player, i guess they are pressured to bring result.

Actually what reason did KYK sit out of KOVO Cup?

Even NT players joined KOVO Cup and competed

Quote from Julian Chow

is the Dodram Cup ... another name for the V league?

I googled it and all I got was " Dodram V-League"

Edit:

It’s also called the KOVO Cup ? I thought that was a different competition which sometimes include one or two teams from overseas.

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Dodram = Sponsor of the competition

KOVO = Korea Volleyball

So it's Dodram's KOVO Cup

If the sponsor changes the name will change too

This year it is Gumi Dodram KOVO Cup

Gumi is the city/state in Korea that's hosting this cup while also sponsoring it

Quote from throwawayanyway

In the Dodram/KOVO Cup, usually, they don't allow foreign players to play (there are some editions that foreigners do play but not these past seasons).

I'm not sure if they're not allowed or if its just because its taking place too early before foreign players end their international competitions/get their visas in time or get to train with the team...

Quote from throwawayanyway

There are now 2 Filipino players in the league (which I like) but this constant change with GS Caltex is just plain stupid/embarrassing. Even fans are questioning why GS Caltex does not even explain the reason for the constant changes formally (although we know it's because of Ahn Hye Jin).

First change was due to Ahn Hyejin, to recruit another setter.

Second change was due to Soraya Pomra announcing that she would not be able to play volleyball in the 2023-2024 season due to personal circumstances (source) - assuming true

Agree with both comments about her, but she could've still been a backup setter in v-league and made a decent living

The whole situation and lack of transparency in the league is what's bothering

Its hard to tell the truth since Park Mihee did once say in a past interview that Songhwa did leave the club without permission before - but I'm certain many other players have before as well due to the stress, retired players have admitted to it and talked about how often it happened too

If she indeed visited a hospital with a trainer... how would it have been without permission🤔

Cho Song Hwa lost the 2nd trial against the club regarding her leaving the club without permission (source)

She said it was for treatment which she informed the club and visited the hospital with a trainer, but club said she left without permission

Honestly I think she's just a sacrificial lamb amidst the IBK drama of the players deposing their previous coach, making Kim Sanee the new coach before all the other club's coaches refused to shake her hand, and then Kim Hochul joining

She posted on IG
"Now it's really the end. Goodbye to contradictory people too"

Guess she's ending her volleyball career? Don't know if she'll play in unemployment league...

Doubt she would want to (or can?) advance overseas like LDY did

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I don't find the ranking system stupid because it's up to date, but why the fuck does China go down 2 spots for losing a finale match That really is ridiculous lol.

agreed... perhaps point protection could be put in place for semis & finals matches

I would like that as a fan and it would make sense too

Dropping 2 ranks for qualifying to finals & losing there... hmm

sloth kindly request a Serbia vs Turkey thread so we don't have to see the same boring arguments from the same few people who end up hijacking every single popular thread

Genuine request, please

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Than lets talk about real naturalized players and I’m not joking.

How about let's not, and I'm not joking.

It's not interesting at all.

You can talk about that here > Trash Can Thread

Well if Korea has anything, it's money

I'm pretty certain they won't quit VNL willingly (like China men's team) though they should - considering their ranking/performance/meaningless investment without much action to change anything significant (coach, players, etc)

Only "significant" thing is Korea finally using Mikasa balls in their domestic league, their reluctance probably comes from it being a Japanese brand & they already have a cheaper FIVB approved local volleyball

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I kinda get his point, but I'm not really that endeared with Kim Hochul. I don't think it's fair to criticize Cesar for being in a club while also coaching the Korean NT when Lavarini also did the same (there's even an article regarding this). So for me, of all the faults of Cesar (communication or strategy), it can't really be blamed for his "two roles".

I think the idea is that not only did they hire a head coach with such limitations, there isn't a capable team of coaches built around him.

Previously they had coach Kang Sunghyung (current Hillstate coach) and a team working together with Lavarini to coach the team when he was still with his club.

This time round it is instead Han Yumi (with zero coaching experience) and KYK as advisor (also zero coaching experience) coaching the team while Cesar is away. Kim Hochul implied that other coaches like himself similarly found it a problem that the Federation made such choices instead of selecting from amongst the pool of many other capable domestic coaches - who would even be better than an assistant coach like Cesar.

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This should definitely be the focus. Unfortunately, most of the prospective players are still in their early twenties, and those that should be taking the helm as veterans (Park Jeong Ah, Kang Sowhi, Pyo Seung Ju, and Yeum Hye Seon) are underperforming. They need to look at the future as a whole and not just for one goal. Paris Olympics is definitely out of the question based on everyone's performance.

The current generation will need to be forgone to rebuild the team from youth, they need to accept that they will lose now in exchange for improving in the future. Except they are still losing now, while also only focusing on the now with zero plans for the future generation.

They did bring up LJY and LDY to carry on the baton for this generation but we all know that's pretty much a lost cause unless the Federation is bold enough to push through with it. So many male players who committed actual crimes or broke the law are already back in the league & NT as well.

Quote from avid

He's very analytical focused. He's been around with the USA and Canada NT for awhile, as an assistant or whatever.

Sounds like Cesar #2 haha

Quote from GigabitF

Maybe they should hire Kim Hochul as Korean NT coach...at least he will demand more fight from his players than coach cesar who can only say wake up lol

In the second video (reporter with ex-Olympian Bronze Medallist Jo Hyejung) they did propose choosing the League Championship Coach to be the NT coach.

Since a domestic coach would have time to spend with the NT right after league concludes and would know the players well too.

Kim Hochul said he is one of the coaches who approves of having a foreign coach for NT so that Korea would catch up with the international standards for volleyball, but he didn't agree with the Federation freely allowing Cesar to join the NT so late only after his club fully concluded, he also doesn't think Cesar is a good choice considering he was only an assistant coach and not a head coach.

The team they built around Cesar were also completely unexperienced - Han Yumi & KYK

AI Peppers recruited Jo Trinsey as new head coach (source)

Another American coach

Quote from throwawayanyway

So we are pretty much done with VNL (I mean, we are definitely not winning against China and Serbia), and I must say, if Korea doesn't want to lose any more face in the international community, they need to rescind their core team status immediately - if the FIVB will allow them. It's not beneficial to them anyway; it's like paying to be embarrassed and lose points.

Also, sharing here the funniest article from the many negative posts about the national team: A Victory Point Vending Machine

Nonetheless, I will say as a Korean team supporter, that there are a lot of positives in this experience as well, namely:

• The revelation of Kim Daeun, Moon Jiyun, and Kim Jiwon in the team, especially Daun, who doesn't even play regularly in the league.
• Jeong Jiyun playing as an OH is improving in her receive (and will be a core member in the NT in the future)
• Lee Dahyeon is doing well, as well as Jung Hoyoung, and can be the replacement for the 2 towers (YHJ and KSJ) with enough experience.

This "rebuilding" has been the worst but all we can do is really make the best out of a bad situation. I hope in the Asian Games, they would perform better at least.

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"Victory Point Vending Machine" indeed, even in this forum people were lamenting the 2(?) countries that didn't get the chance to get their free wins against Korea

Kim Daeun is indeed a hopeful player, if she is performing this well on an international stage no less! with such little experience in the league. Also taking into consideration Korea has no OPP and Heejin is no longer a valuable contributor on the team even compared to younger players.

I know a lot of fans are hopeful for Jeong Jiyoon... but personally her level is still that of a bench player, there is not much choice from the pool of players however.

Regarding "rebuilding", the problem is that there is no rebuilding. Korea Federation is promising ridiculous "victory monetary rewards" for the team if they achieve a certain result, and before the VNLs they were still posting about their investment towards Paris Olympics. There is no way the overpaid Korea players would work towards that lofty goal for some money. In fact some would rather not join NT to focus on their club season before FA too.

This is a video which had gained some traction as of late by a veteran sports news reporter and IBK Coach Kim Hochul, daring to speak out and criticize the Korea Federation for allowing head coach Cesar to put more focus on his club over the national team, for recruiting Han Yumi as coach though she has zero past experience, and also KYK as advisor due to her stardom.

Coach and advisor are important roles to prepare the team especially when Cesar is with his club.

He also mentioned how if the Federation plans on rebuilding, they should set an achievable target & goal rather than focusing on the now (Paris Olympics) and not have any plan in place.

Long post, but Korea used to be a team supported by all and people enjoyed watching like Thailand is now. It's sad as a fan to see where they have come to because of stubbornness.

Made some corrections to your list

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Position, Team, Current Record, Points (Maximum Wins, Points)

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15. CRO 2-7, 6 (5-7, 15) Eliminated

16. KOR 0-9, 0 (3-9, 9), Eliminated $ Core Team privilege $ 💰

Quote from avid

They didnt get him a visa. They wanted him to get Korean citizenship (which wasnt in his contract). He didnt want any sort of military service (I dont know the rules). There were also behind the scenes problems with management and their promises to him and the team.

Appreciate the very interesting insight

I hope Korean media picks up on that and doesn't get bribed by the club to keep quiet on it lol

For a club that's willing to pay 330 million krw for a sub-par setter and 775 million krw for Park Jeongah, messing up during Free Agency and losing their main setter & trading her back again, wanting to sign with Lee Jaeyeong last season but retracting it after testing the waters in the media...

What a problematic new club

It's a pity fans were looking forward to a new club in the league

Quote from avid

the club wanted him to get Korean citizenship. He said no.

Why would his citizenship affect his being a coach... they didn't want to pay for his visa and other costs?

I don't doubt that but I'm confused why it would lead to the dissolution of his contract