Posts by karakedi
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I completely agree. It is referees job to see those and judge. I mean why should Knollema go and admit a mistake just because it was at a crucial point and the opponents were complaining? I am sure there were like 10 other net touches throughout the match, referees did not see and players did not admit, or many other errors. To me it feels silly that a player is expected to do this. The only exception to me is when there is no challenge option and referee asks the player directly, then I would hope the player to be honest but still it is not wrong if the player lies, since clearly everyone else lies a whole match, at least once.
But Turkish players saw it and were asking her to accept it. Apperantly at first she denied it since it took too long the point to be given. Up to her ethical standards.
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I think that is not possible BUT the referee seemingly used the video replay as reference which is shady (though I think a similar circumstance happened in during FRA vs RUS Finals in 2021).
Video replay showed that Knollema touched the ball. And she didn't say anything. Is it possible that she could NOT sense it? Otherwise it is a shame for her to not accept.
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Depends on how a group of people defines genocide. I mean Turkish government don't recognize Armenian genocide even if it reached over a million.
Going back to topic, this year's edition contestants are a bit on the weirder side. It was very politically charged and almost everyone was trying to say something.
Genocide is well defined. Germans for example were tried in an international court and found guilty. There is no such trial has taken place for what happened in 1915. Why so? Because there is no evidence to claim so. İf there is, a trial can be started. But probably there will never be such a trial.
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Yes but she injured in the second game and couldn't play. Then, she missed 2013 eurovolley and 2014 wch.
I always remember her by that last serve. Seems like I completely have forgotten her injury.
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I dont get the fuss about eda. She missed many important tournaments in her early years because of injuries (2012 Olympics etc) she is highly motivated for NT and volleyball in general that she didn't even want to have baby unlike some other players who quit NT for family reasons. ...
She was in the roster in 2012.
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i hope it’s not jinxed now. What if no turkish team makes it there🥶
Ağzından yel alsın. (For those who don't speak Turkish, an aproximate tranlastion would be: "Let the wind blow it away from your mouth")
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So to close off the NT season for the women's teams, I wanted to have a look at how teams changed over this summer. Unfortunately I didn't have the ranking points from before, just the seeds from the OQT draw in March. Over the whole summer, the biggest improvements would be for Türkiye, France (both +6 positions), Argentina and Ukraine (+5). Poland and Canada also did well with +3. USA, NL, THA (+2), DOM, GER, PR and Slovenia (+1) also improved their position
The biggest downfalls are for Korea (-17), Peru (-12) and Mexico (-8). Bulgaria's rebuilding but lost 4 positions. COL, JPN, BEL, ITA and SRB lost 3 while China lost 1 position. Brazil and Czech Republic seem the most stable teams from this summer as they are currently ranked the same as before summer
For the OQT, the big winners when it comes to ranking points are the Dominicans (+22,5), Puerto Rico (+22,18) and Canada (+18,71). The most points were lost by Mexico (-21,89), Peru (-19,40) and quite surprisingly, Belgium (-17,76)
But history is there. https://en.volleyballworld.com…yball/world-ranking/women
Click "More details" for any team. For example for Türkiye:
The first match in 2023:
May 31, 2023 KOR 149.12 299.14 TUR 0 - 3 +2.85 And the the latest rating is: 397.46 so it means +98.32 in 2023.
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Display MoreNED - DOM 3-0
2. NED 15pts 17-8
3. DOM 15 pts 17-10
NED - DOM 3-1
2. NED 15pts 17-9 (1.888889 set ratio)
3. DOM 15 pts 18-10 (1.8 set ratio)
Any other result will give DOM the Olympic qualification.
Oops. Sorry .Wrong Calculation. Can be deleted.
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you are wrong twice.
Poland men swept this match 3-0 in the 2018 Men’s Final.
Italy and Brazil were also in the Final in 2016 a 3-0 Brazilian sweep.
Me? It's Bard's answer. How could it make it up? Interesting!
However there is a match between Italy and US in 2016 Olympics which Italy won 3-1 and its first set score is 28-26.
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Is it correct? I feel like Bard makes up a lot of numbers even if it's somewhat correct about the subject its getting at
It seemed to be a reasonable answer to me. Also seeing a comeback from 24-19 to 24-24 by Brazil today, I asked another question about comebacks when one team is at 24.
Here's its answer:
The biggest comeback in a volleyball game when one team is at 24 is 7 points. This has happened on a few occasions, but one of the most notable examples is the 2016 Olympic Games semi-final between Italy and Brazil.
Brazil was up 24-17 in the first set, but Italy managed to come back and win 28-26. Italy went on to win the match 3-1 and claim the gold medal.
Another example of a 7-point comeback in a volleyball game is the 2018 FIVB Volleyball Men's World Championship final between Poland and Brazil. Poland was up 24-17 in the fourth set, but Brazil came back to win 28-26. Brazil went on to win the match 3-2 and claim the gold medal.
It is very difficult to come back from a 7-point deficit in a volleyball game, but it is possible. The team that is down needs to play very well and the team that is up needs to make some mistakes.
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Well Türkiye's winning streak makes me curious. I asked the following to Google Bard and it came with the following answer:
Question: What is the longest winning streak of a national team in women's voleyball?
Answer:
The longest winning streak of a national team in women's volleyball is 56 consecutive wins, held by the Soviet Union women's national volleyball team from 1964 to 1968. This streak is the longest winning streak in any international volleyball competition.
The Soviet Union women's national volleyball team was one of the most dominant teams in the world during the 1960s. They won the gold medal at the 1964 and 1968 Olympic Games, as well as the 1960 and 1962 World Championships. The team was known for its strong defense and its ability to win close matches.
The Soviet Union's winning streak came to an end on December 21, 1968, when they lost to Japan in five sets at the 1968 Olympic Games. However, their winning streak remains one of the most impressive accomplishments in the history of women's volleyball.
It is important to note that the Soviet Union women's national volleyball team was a state-sponsored team, and it is possible that some of their wins were not entirely fair. However, the team was still very talented and well-coached, and their winning streak is a testament to their dominance of the sport.
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Well from everything I can see as admin, what volleykovic wrote seems to be true, at least about Olcay12 actually being from Poland
You mean she connects here from Poland but is it enough to call her a Pole?
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I tried to be kind and helpful, asking to user who shared the table, his/her objective and his/her aim with full of good thoughts, tried to help if I could but you intervened with your cynical wordings, not even taking into consideration my reasonings (why it is not an indication and how it can be).
From this moment onwards, I will not continue with the discussion on the same topic, since this will not help to anyone and will not add any value to anything so I leave you and the user(s) who thinks in the same way as you do (if there is any) and I will repeat the same words once again. You just believe in what you want to believe.
Türkiye's block stats for the final stage were very good. Would it have been the same if they had played with Cansu instead?
That was my starting point and went ahead and created that list (from raw data in your words). I thought it looked interesting and posted here. Is there anything wrong with it?
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I really tried to understand this comparison but to be honest, this is far to give any idea about setters performances with block comparsions.
1- There are many elements to compare the blocks of Türkiye's vs opponents and one of them is the names of the MBs and their skills in blocks at both sides.
2- Secondly, names of attackers (attack players) and their skills on blockings at both sides so no one can say it was because of Elif or Cansu played and we have these numbers. This is totally speculative and a kind of attempt to convince people to believe in something forcefully and I cannot even say that it is statistics (and cannot even say it is biased). Only a bulk of raw numbers, taken from tables which means nothing to me.
3- If you want to compare something, you can compare the number of blocks for each setter by per match (average) or for whole tournament. Considering the whole tournament, it is 2 blocks and 14 touches for Cansu and 14 blocks and 7 touches for Elif an that is all.
4- If you really want to look at the setting performance and the distribution, I can recommend to look at the table, which I shared yesterday, in the post 1055 (the table prepared by Hernandez).
2- I do not want to convince anybody for anything.
4- I have had a look at that table but I cannot figure out how to relate it to block performance.
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I prepared Table 3 with the same method, which I used for Table 2. Main difference is; I excluded Ebrar's OPP records and kept only her statistics she has achived while playing as OH.
Overall, there is not much changes in ranks and remains almost the same. Drastic change seems in simulation. While Ebrar scored 4.14 net points per match (previously while clubbing figures of OPP/OH it was 5.40), others scored less.
Simulated figures are as follows.
1- Derya and İlkin very close and around 2.6 net points (W-L) per match.
2- Hande around 2.4 net points (W-L) per match.
3- Saliha around 0.3 net points (W-L) per match.
This table reflects more objective and realistic figures, since all players data is based on OH performance. In other words, it is apple to apple comparison.
Comparing players net scoring with others;
i- Even though Ebrar's attack statistics are not good as İlkin's statistics, Ebrar is much more succesful, especially in Serves and Blocks, having less negative impact in her W-L statistics (and even in 7 matches). In spite of having good statistics in reception, İlkin needs to improve her serve and block efficiency, however Ebrar needs to improve her attack efficiency for better contribution. Same for Digs and reception.
ii- Derya's serves are quite weak and she is the worst in blocks. She also needs to improve her receptions though her attacks seems fine but still needs to be improved. Both İlkin and Derya are good in digs.
iii- Hande is the best in Digs, Receptions and Blocks. Not efficient in serves but most important is her weak attack performance, which neutralize all her statistics/efficiency. If she manage to improve her attack statistics, she will be one of the best.
iv- Nothing much to comment about Saliha. All I can say is, if she keeps dancing at the bench, she will be out forever soon.
Table 3 (Covers Whole Tournament-All In OH Position) Serve Blocks Players (OH) Eff% Rank Err % Rank Ace Ace % Rank Err Sum Pts Err. Pts % Rank Err % Rank Touch Sum Derya Cebecioğlu 0 4 3.26 5 1 1.09 2 3 92 5 15 14.3 2 42.9 1 5 35 İlkin Aydın -1 3 11.11 3 7 4.86 4 16 144 9 20 16.1 3 35.7 3 12 56 Ebrar Karakurt 2 5 10.81 4 8 7.21 5 12 111 11 16 28.2 5 41.0 2 9 39 Hande Baladin -7 2 14.63 1 2 2.44 3 12 82 10 9 25.0 4 22.5 5 11 40 Saliha Şahin -11 1 13.33 2 0 0.00 1 6 45 1 3 9.1 1 27.3 4 4 11 Meliha Diken 0 0 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0 Reception Spike Players (OH) Err. Err% Rank Pos % Rank Perf % Rank Sum Err. Err% Rank Kill % Rank Eff % Rank Pts Sum Derya Cebecioğlu 8 6.78 2 44 1 15 1 118 20 16.81 3 42 4 25 4 50 119 İlkin Aydın 4 2.19 5 48 4 26 4 183 29 15.68 4 45 5 30 5 84 185 Ebrar Karakurt 8 5.71 3 45 2 16 2 140 27 14.06 5 38 3 24 3 73 192 Hande Baladin 4 2.38 4 57 5 29 5 168 28 17.39 2 38 2 20 2 61 161 Saliha Şahin 4 9.30 1 47 3 23 3 43 10 25.00 1 33 1 8 1 13 40 Meliha Diken 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 100 100 1 1 Digs # Match Players (OH) % Rank Suc. Sum TTL Derya Cebecioğlu 72.7 4 48 66 11 İlkin Aydın 68.0 3 70 103 13 Ebrar Karakurt 63.6 2 35 55 7 Hande Baladin 74.5 5 41 55 11 Saliha Şahin 59.3 1 16 27 9 Meliha Diken 0 0 0 1 T. Win T.Loss T. W-L Av. Pts Rank Players (OH) Pts Pts Pts Pts By Avg. Pts Derya Cebecioğlu 56 46 10 0.91 2 İlkin Aydın 100 69 31 2.38 4 Ebrar Karakurt 92 63 29 4.14 5 Hande Baladin 73 53 20 1.82 3 Saliha Şahin 14 23 -9 -1.00 1 Meliha Diken 1 0 1 1.00 Players By Rank Total Final Grade Rank İlkin Aydın 50 Ebrar Karakurt 46 Hande Baladin 43 Derya Cebecioğlu 35 Saliha Şahin 21 I had posted in another site about the block performance by setter for this year's VNL.
Final stage (Türkiye's blocks - the opponent's blocks)
Italy 16-6 (Elif)
USA 18-14 (Elif)
China 14-5 (Elif)
Group stage (from last to first):Croatia 6-4 (Cansu)
Brasil 13-5 (Elif)
Thailand 14-5 (Elif)
Japan 17-9 (First 2 sets Elif, last 3 sets Cansu)
Dominik 16-3 (Elif)
Canada 8-5 (Elif)
Holland 6-8 (Cansu)
Polland 7-6 (Cansu)
USA 3-13 (Cansu)
Italy 13-8 (Cansu)
Serbia 10-9 (Cansu)
South Korea 6-4 (first 2 sets Cansu)
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Tournaments where points are given is somewhat wrong statement. You are not given points. You exchange points depending on your result and rating of your opponent using a K factor.
The ratings are based on zero-sum games where one team's gain is equal to the other teams loss with the result that the net improvement in benefit of the game is zero. K factor affects the number of points exchanged, the higher K factor, the higher gain/loss of points.
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8 out of 16 participants in the VNL are European national teams...
How is it possible to assign the same coefficient "K" to the European championship as to the other continental championships?
The coefficient, starting from a basic score for everyone, should be calculated each time on the basis of the ranking of the participants in the tournament...
Makes sense. Different K factors can be used depending on the average rating of the particpants. So for ECH there would be a higher K factor than other confederations.
In chess for example there are tournament categories depending on the avreage rating of participants.
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Cant recall such a crazy serving performance. Arina that was incredible
202-21 Men's Champion League.
Dec 1 2020, Trentino Itas - Locomotive Novosibirsk, tie-break set.
Nimir Abdel-Azez started serving when the score was 5-2 and the set ended 15-2. IIRC, it was a come back from 0-2 down in sets for Trentino Itas.
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Nothing goes more than this IMHO.
During the finals of Türkiye Efeler Ligi playoff finals 2021-2022; Ziraat had
Aslan Ekşi
and Halkbank had
Arslan Ekşi
Aslan and Arslan are actually the same name both of them mean "lion"
Both of the players were setters of their teams.
