Posts by MeteA

Quote from serdar

I don't know where your link get that ranking but it is not correct. Federation's stats show that best 5 receiving outside hitters of the season were:

1. Hande
2. Meliha
3. Kurilo
4. Ilkin
5. Bergmann

This quite makes sense.

Also I disagree that she messed up at big matches, she did her job mostly with solid reception but struggling killing the balls time to time, but not at all big matches like you exaggerate. Anyways it sounds like we will have agree to disagree

Just let people think or believe in what they see or read from nowhere. The source the guy is giving must have another background, which does not reflect the full picture and reality.

In order to make like to like comparison, you need to focus on the normal leage season, in which Arina is in somewhere with her performance at services in row 7 and 12th at reception with Pos 44%. Nothing else. On top of her, there are Hande with 48%, İlkin with 46% and Meliha, Kurilo and Bergman with 45% as OH.

Even if you compare them, including the playoff, still Hande stand with 48%, Meliha, Kurilo and İlkin with 46%, Bergman with 45% and Uzelac and Şeyma with 44% and then Arina and Saliha with 43% in the row 14th (and 5th at service).

I assume that, the guy is referring to the source, which refers to foreigner shining stars in our league, since the full page in all elements does not make any sense and not reflecting the reality, which is formally listed by TVF.

Here is the true link;

https://sultanlar.volleystation.com/en/stat-rankings/

Quote from paNathInaiKOS

What happened again?

Not a very major problem. It is just the removal of the titanium or PLLA-HA screws, due to her ACL injury several years ago (around 2020), which were used for reconstruction. Thanks god, since then everything went very well and now is the time to remove them.

While doing this operation, she was also suffering from hernia at the belly side and had another surgery (herniorraphy) at the same time, in order to get rid of all issues.

It is estimated to take 4 weeks for recovery.

Wishing her a speedy recovery.

https://www.galatasaray.org/ha…-raporu-ilkin-aydin/57709

Quote from sitenoise

I was unsure of what the breakdown of those were for the longest time. Are they considered "included" or not? Only recently someone I trust to know said "included". Sadly, I never watched a match and counted for myself. I shouldn't have presented myself as so authoritative

It is common for new imports to need time to adjust to Japan. Krob said it best: (my simplistic paraphrase would be) "if you just hit around the blockers you will get dug. You have to hit over them or off them"

One thing I noticed the first half of this year is that many teams would sub out their imports. Not because they were not scoring well enough but to get the defense back in line (and bring the vibes up, which leads to better offense (my theory))

If you watch enough Japanese volleyball you can see and feel the ant farm rhythm of the defense. Throw a Queen Bee (a big person) on court and it weirds things out. Like they don't know how much personal space to give them. It's a distraction

A million thanks. You are so helpful and I got more than a I expect. I liked what Krob said..."if you just hit around the blockers you will get dug. You have to hit over them or off them". Also liked the expression saying "Throw a Queen Bee (a big person) on court and it weirds things out. Like they don't know how much personal space to give them. It's a distraction" I absolutely understand what you mean. Both cases probably fits with Kaja's overall performance and I can see from the figures I have derived. I know that Japan Volleyball mentality, which the stucture is entirely different than Chinese, American and/or European way of playing this could be because of aiming to turn the disadvantage of physical height of the players to advantage, by improving the defensive skills and fast playing.

I know Japan NT and also remember that we had some talks about Kanami Tashiro. Japan always gives headache to Türkiye and to others and I like the style of Japan Volleyball. Purely talented. This explains, why it is difficult to a foreigner to play consistently for a long period of time in Japan.

Quote from sitenoise

MeteA , here's the JVL B-Sheet and volleystation stats for the same Kariya match
https://www.svleague.jp/ja/form/b/32072

https://panel.volleystation.co…e/535/en/matches/2163229/

Kaja is 15/35 and 3/10 (with one block) on the B-Sheet. volleystation has her with a total of 16 points and don't separate out the back attacks

This was more than to be helpful and enabled me to make a cross check with the figures of all matches. From the figures I have derived, I found that, the Japan pages do not cover the blocked attacks, which effects attack efficiency, while volleystation pages covers.

From the figures I have derived, all I can say that, Kaja was not bad but a bit more could have been expected (and I assume that, it was expected) from her.

Once again, thank you very much for your invaluable insight, information and help.

Quote from sitenoise

Those "inside back attack" columns do mean just "back attack". I don't know where the "inside" bit comes from. Maybe meant to convey "including"? If a hitter is 10/20 and 5/10 in back attack it means that the 10/20 includes 5 back attacks. It doesn't mean specifically "pipe attacks" as I understand those to mean 'up the middle'. OPs hit from behind the 3 point line as a matter of course and those count as back attacks

I didn't watch a lot of Kariya so I can't say too much about Kaja, but she seemed pretty standard issue. Not a game changer at the Annie Drews level that every team wants from their import OP. I give her points for being pleasant. No deductions for whiny pouty frustration and anger nonsense

Kariya has a pretty good setter (grading on a curve for Japanese setters) but no other real scoring threats to spread the block defense. I think she might have better numbers if she were on a team like Osaka or NEC

Speaking of defense, she struck me as one who just stays out of the way, which is the best thing to do in Japan if you're not a good defensive player. Less of a liability that way

Thank you so much for the detailed explanation. Truly appreciated. It's pity that, I could not found any full game of her in Japanese league. In order to verify that extra column set, we may need to count all attack-kills of her's to conclude but I will take it as you described, "inside back attacks" are already included in the set of numbers in "Attack Column".

As you said, pipe attack is usually known as, the attack performed at the back row, from behind 3 meter line and by the player at the position number 6. Beside an OPP, sometimes an OH can performs this type of attack.

The reason of asking about Kaja is that; she has been transferred to Galatasaray and I am curious about her latest performance. I checked her performance in Chieri and watched some of the match summaries and she looked pretty well. At the beginning of the season in Japan, she was not very promising but coming to mid season, I can see her killing efficiency performance, increasing up to around 30% which is not bad at all. If her killing performance goes up to 45% or so, she would be really great there as well. Maybe this is not a big surprise. I admire Japan volleyball, which is known with a very solid floor defense.

Hope she will do good with our setter Britt Bongaerts and Naz Aydemir Akyol and while competing with our current OPP Alexia Carutasu. As I could see, she was the only OPP in Queenseis Kariya.

@sitenoise Dears, Could you please inform me about the terminology of Japan volleyball saying "'inside back attack" when I google translate the "Match Result Report"? Could it be read as pipe attack?

Secondly, how do you rate Kaja Grobelna's performance through the whole season?

Thanks in advance.

Quote from serdar

She is going back to China. Next season is the year that big competition in china happening every 4 years. That's why I would be surprised if they would actually let LYY leave china

That competition is called Local Olympics and will start in October and ends ath the end of December 2025. Then LYY will be free to go abroad. All permissions have been taken and GS already made an offer. Big fight will start between 2 Italian and 2 Turkish teams.

Quote from Forza-Novara

Turkiye is European only in sports. It is not part of the European Union , . In Turkiye (except for Vakif) the main teams are multi-sports teams. (in Italian we say "polisportiva") Of course football is the first sport also in Turkiye, but Eg. if any of the the 2 big volleyball and football teams ,that dont invest much money in volleyball right now ( Galatasaray, Besiktas ), feel like diverting a few million from football to volleyball, IMHO here we find ourselves with 6/7 Turkish teams in the first 10 european teams by budget . The actual big 3 + Gala Besiktas Zeren eccecc. The Turkish league is set to become the world's top league within a few years. Which is only partially the case now( cause A1 is still better)but, thanks to their money, will become so very soon. My 2cents

Quote from serdar

How is turkey not being part of European Union is relevant to the discussion?🤦 Is Switzerland or Norway not European according to your logic?

Turkish lira is devaluating drastically, it is going to a political crisis with protests all over the country. Its economy had a big hit. So Turkish clubs' future is not as secure as you assume. Big clubs like Fenerbahçe , GS rely on sponsors and clubs like Zeren is a rich guy's hobby project, if he feels bored the club can be shutdown in a year. (I wouldn't be surprised they reduce their investments after a year, they really think they can be successful in cl with current roster they build)

Totally agree with Serdar's question. In addition, you should better study more about Türkiye and Turkish Volleyball.

1- Being a member of EU is not an only criteria to be an European country. Otherwise, you should not consider UK as European Country, since they ended their membership with EU, along with some others as Serdar mentioned.

2- Türkiye is represented in Parlimentary Assembly Of The Council of Europe with a number of 18 delegates and member of Council Of Europe since 1949.

3- Türkiye is the member Of NATO and I am sure you know what NATO means. Türkiye also paricipates in many social and political activities and organization across Europe. Türkiye is also the part of Europe, even geographically and not being the member of EU, doesn't change this reality. So it is better to exclude these kind of arguments other than volleyball, which can be considered as political arguments.

4- Your statement about Turkish Volleyball teams, saying that In Türkiye, (except Vakıf), the the main teams are multisport team, is incorrect. Have in mind that, Eczacıbaşı is active in women volleyball only.

5- While giving examples about Galatasaray and Beşiktaş, you are right, however Including Fenerbahçe, there are many differences between these 3 clubs. Even differences between countries like Italy and Türkiye, in terms of sposorship culture. Mostly, the branches other than football and especially the clubs such as Fenerbahçe, mainly financed by the individuals. Especially from 2015 onwards during president Ali Koç's era, they are mainly financed individually with huge amounts and volleyball is one of them. They also invested in football with 3 digit millions and yet to reach to desired success. Galatasaray goes more smoothly since the main income is football but still long way to go. After the disappointment in european cups in football, the fans also has concerns about the investments in volleyball while funding for the central infrastucture. That is why, fans are pushing management for a better roster. Beşiktaş is a new team in Sultanlar and in short term, their objective is to be entitled, to be the part of euorpean cups for the coming seasons. Surely they will have better teams in the coming seasons.

6- The good part is, success attracts the sponsors. Both at national and local teams level, sponsors started to pay more attention in this area. As long as the visibility of the teams in national and international competitions continues, more sponsors will contribute and this will increase the competition, the strength and the quality of the teams.

7- Have in mind that, Göztepe, the most famous team of İzmir with a huge number of supporters, is going to play in Sultanlar and beside that, another big team Trabzonspor (sometimes considered as big 4 in football) has plans to acquire Bordo Mavi61 SK, which is in 2nd division and take it to Sultanlar soon. So as you wish, we expect to see more teams like Karşıyaka from İzmir, and some others. Have in mind that, THY (Türk Hava Yolları) entitled as Sultanlar League team in 2018.

About the statement "A1 is better", looking at international level results of this season, maybe yes but at local level, it is discussable.

Quote from avid

Here's a visualization of some of the A1 OHs this season

Data across is good pass % (from volleymetrics)

Up is hitting efficiency (also from volleymetrics so there may be some differences from A1/if I missed adding a league match... I prob should've done kill/percent.... I might if someone else wants it)

the bigger the circle, the more attacks they've had (Ailama, Simone, and Avery have a lot, meanwhile Lukasik and Bajema dont for example)

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If you have the raw data, yes please... Do so. The combination of Kill/Percentage with Perf reception (Perf Pass) would be good to track. Thank you for this good work.

It would be also good to see the number of sets/matches played, for the players of this table (probably separately)...

A quick comment on it...Lukasik has almost least attack (almost no circle), since she is the sub of Zhu at the back row, not having much time at the front row, while having Gabi and Zhu in the team. Bad for her and that is why, she needs to prove herself in a team, in which she will have space as a full timer.

Thanks again.

Quote from avid

i dont know i didnt ask lol

I was just pointing out that the rumors being added to volleybox are fake or at least, not volleyball.it

The Sylla news wasnt put on there i dont think.

This is what I found in volleybox with the source VolleyNews

Not sure how much reliable it is and that is why I asked.

https://www.volleynews.it/no-t…a-per-vero-volley-milano/

https://women.volleybox.net/tr…lley-milano-t3592/players

Quote from avid

should clarify that this wasnt said by volleyball.it. it was someone impersonating them.

(unless someone that has the paid app can verify)

And what about Sylla? Was her renewal wit Milano clarified by paid app or her renewal is still a rumour? Very curious about it...

Britt Bongaerts renewed with Galatasaray for 2 years.

https://x.com/GSVoleybol1905/s…80244606027383235/photo/1

Quote from serdar

Only 'local' Opp better than her is Vargas. I'm fine if they can afford to get one of Boskovic, KVR or Lazareva but I wouldn't go for anthi to replace her and lose a local Opp in starting six. With 3 foreigners rule, having a local Opp is a huge advantage. It is not like she is having a terrible season. Pity that we can't see overall statistics for her attacking performance but she is contributing a lot so far at both serving and blocking

Totally agree and nothing to add on top of it.

Here is the full performance of her by the end of 1st half.

Nothing much changed since the end of 1st half and her current attack performance is 42%Kill and 28%Efficiency. If you consider the benchmark of an OPP attack efficiency, which should be greater than 27%, she still fulfills the expectations but still she has room to increase those statistics. On the other hand, she is one of the best OPP Blocker and great defender, considering her position. On top of it, she is a strong server but needs to reduce her errors in that area.

In Turkish, ve have a word... "Çok duy az inan". Means you hear a lot but believe in a little

You can check some of the stats based on scor'ngs from here as well.

https://sultanlar.volleystation.com/en/phase-2155-vsl-le/stat-rankings/

Quote from i. Anka

hernandez is criticised for not rotating the team almost not at all. He seems to lack balls to sub the captain ilkin even when she get blocked ten times during a bad set. She rarely uses his third oh which is quite on par with the other two. The team is great if he built it with visible limits and flaws and sthrengths.

akbaş is called for his inability to bring the best or even average self of many good players and suspected of having ineffective training sessions especially because of having the worst block-defence and serve among top teams.

fenolio just cost fener an easy but probably very important set in Champions League against vasas. The first game i mean where he just went full rotation while every point and set counts cuz of the quarter final match ups. He started well, having creative plays like slides by Ana. But he rarely used stysiak and other subs even in landslide league games which proved costly when vargas injured. Noone was ready to step up and fener including ana c looked just a random team without vargas. Sweep against zeren didnt help. Noone sees a coach’s touch yet.

i hope this helps

edit: most turkish fans on social media are teenage keyboard warriors too!

Finally it is so nice to see someone talking about Hernandez, İlkin and Galatasaray. I agree and disagree with some of your comments. I agree that Hernandez is not in favor of doing rotations frequently but I disagree that it is because of not having nuts or balls against İlkin. It is because of having all line up 6+libero, all as the key players and having a target to be in top 4, do not give him that luxury to test the others during the league competition.

İlkin surely one of the key players of the roster, the captain and becoming a symbol for not only the team but also for the club, but it is not only that, she is the one, who pushed the management to restructure a new team of this year. However, she is not untouchable and should be subbed from time to time in order to take a breath. Another reality is that, she is the best complete OH in the team and at least one of the best complete local OH at reception, at attack and floor defense. In the past, Hernandez tried to make some rotations between Kalandadze and Lazovic Dangubic but didn't work as expected. Meaning that, at least it was not fruitful. Giving an example on İlkin's performance that she was blocked 10 times but not subbed, is totally misleading. This happened twice, once in Aydın, blocked 7 times, which was a nightmare for her and for the team but at the same time, it was not her fault only but the lack of coordination between Bongaerts and also Berka Buse Özden's excellent performance at blocking defense. Similar thing happened to İlkin at Eczacıbaşı match in the 2nd set with 4 blocks back to back by Elif and 1 error, but in 1st, 3rd and 4th set, she was stunning. If she was subbed after the 2nd set, who knows what would happen. So being a key player like her and Timmerman is important, especially for critical moments. Have in mind that, Galatasaray lost 3 matches, during the absence of Timmerman.

Vice president Cibara announced that, they are interested and negotiating with one player but we don't know yet, for which position or who... My opinion is that, definitely it should be for OPP, since that is the weakest point of the team and Yasemin Özel cannot take that responsibility to carry the team due to any possible injury or lack of performance of Alexia. Thanks god, she is doing well so far...

Another point which I disagree (knowing that this is not your comment), labelling Galatasaray as a mid level team is truly funny. Galatasaray is the club, who brought volleyball to country in 1922 and since then, chasing the cups and winning some or qualifying to finals and semifinals many times in national and international competitions incuding Champions League and CEV Cup. Comparing with THY or others is really funny. As a fan of this team, I respect Vakıf, Eczacı or Fener, for winning many titles at national and international competitions and contributing to Turkish Volleyball a lot but this doesn't mean Galatasaray is a mid level team. If not convinced by the history, just look at the present. Who knows, maybe 3rd maybe 5th depending on the last match on Sunday for the 1st half. Girls in starting 6 are shining various NT players, except Eylül and if she keeps up this shape, she will be the new libero in the new NT season.

I totally agree with serdar. Some people (not all) just talk, talk ,talk without knowing the Turkish League and Turkish Volleyball. I recommend them to make a bit drill down checks before making any general comments about our volleyball.

By the way, last night Galatasaray reached up to quarter final at CEV Challenge Cup with the bench team. İlkin and Bongaerts were not in starting line up-starting 6 and after the 2nd set, whole bench came in and won 3-0. Kalandadze was a monster. Whole team was rotated and Hernandez was so happy. It seems like, the bench is working hard to grasp the jersey and hoping to see more rotations in the 2nd half.

One more and important point I agree with you is "Most fans on social media are teenage warriors" but not Turkish fans only. It is the same in everywhere.I wish, you could follow the forum of Galatasaray. Some of those warriors and trolls tried to penetrate it but soon been noticed and passivated. Anyone can be critisized but not in a harsh way as it is in X or instagram, but the way we do decendly in forum and discuss everything and exchange ideas.

This is all about the team so far! Sorry for keeping it long again but hope it is informative and don't know when I will be back again...

CEV Challenge Cup Quarter Final;

Olympiakos - Galatasaray

Benfica - Chieri

Potsdam - Târgoviște

Charleroi - Roma

Skip the 1st 18-20 minutes for full match... Supporters/Fans of GS... My god... It's not in Türkiye

with stats;

https://www-old.cev.eu/Competi…hStatistics.aspx?ID=76471

You can derive the reception numbers from the percentages by following these steps;

1- Since Pos% in match reports is the total reception efficiency (success) and not pure positive reception, you need to start with this efficieny (success) to find total Positive and perfect actual value (Pos= Positive+Perfect)

2- Next step is to use perf%, in order to find the actual number of perfect reception.

3- Once you have perfect number, you can use the formula to find positive, which is Positive=Pos-Perf

4- In this case you will end up with 3 numbers(colums) which are Pos, Positive. Perf

Example

Just assume that a player received 40 balls (under sum) with Pos=50% and Perf=20%

Her succesful reception on actual total number is Pos. Reception Number=40x50%=20 balls

Her Perfect Reception Number is Perf. Reception Number=40x20%=8

Her Positive Reception Number is Positive Reception Number=20-8=12

After finding all the numbers for each team or player you can sum up to certain period by team or player. In this case, you may be able to calculate the efficiencies(in %) at any total level.

In case you have a decimal number after calculation, you can easily turn into integer. I believe that, using the rounding will not cause any big discrepancy from the actual along with %.

That's all from me and stay in peace.

Quote from Sisko

Enough of this now. Clearly the video didn’t need to be shared here but the most likely scenario is that WZP simply didn’t notice that it was already posted on the other thread. It does not need to be such a big deal, though he should definitely restrain himself from claiming anyone has a complex.

MeteA you can consider yourself officially warned now to stop the insults and fighting.

Justbegoodtome im not moving the posts because it will just encourage more senseless fighting in some other thread, better just to end it here.

Dear Sisko,

I consider you as a fair person. As you also confirmed, that the video didn't need to be shared here. Saying most likely scenario is that, simply the user didn't noticed that it was already posted on the other thread is not convincing. The reason is;

1- On friday, there were many arguments and critics about Ebrar's atitute, which was not defendable. During these discussions in the thread 2024 Women's VNL. WZP was also there with his own comments and likes and it was OK. I have also shared my opinion about it on the same thread 2024 Women's VNL. He then decided to share his opinion, carrying in Türkiye NT 2024 intentionally, criticising Ebrar again. It was also ignored.

2- Yesterday, the Video shared by volleyball22 in the thread 2024 Women's VNL and once again there were various comments on it. The general opinion was, if that was done intentionally Simge's behavior was wrong. I particularly asked to chill and keep going peacefully.

3- The next day, I checked Türkiye NT 2024 and saw that video with a comment about Simge as "smallest person" which we all know what it means in real. A person should be so naive to believe in that, he didn't read the post of volleyball22 along with the following posts and comments, while he (WZP) sharing two critics about Turkish players in Türkiye NT 2024 back to back, with the last one insulting Türkiye's NT player Simge with allusive wording. Mainly my reaction was to this behavior, as if it was not enough to discuss everything in 2024 Women's VNL to spread it to another thread (as you also have worried).

4- I wished you could intervene earlier to stop this meaningless psychologic war. I don't mind and no objection to your warning, if it will help to stop it. Simply I am OK and done, however I have some concerns about this one sided warning that, it may encourage further attacks. I hope I am mistaken.

Quote from volleyball22

watch your mouth thats the first thing

second thing is that it's not spreading hate, you are trying to justify her while the fact is that she didn't shake her opponents hand and no matter if it was an accident (which I highly doubt) or not, if you watch comments of the fans of your NT on twitter/tik tok/instagram under this video the majority is saying that this is what Korneluk deserves since she was rude towards the Turkish team, that Korneluk started the staredowns and that Simge did a good thing which is another level of hypocrisy and just stupid

stop being so defensive because such actions should be shared and talked about because it should NEVER happen in sports, and it goes not just to Simge but to all the fans trying to distort the facts and justify the behaviour of some players by all means

OOPS. Another idiot to tell me what to do. Tell you what... Some people deserves more than this. You angels and saints, you have no common sense to understand how it was reacted to this in the thread Volleyball Nations League. Nobody defended that scene by saying, if it was done intentionally, it was wrong. You had better check it once again. In order to continue your wanking, you are trying to tell everybody that, this or that was said and done on twitter, tik tok instagram and bla bla bla.

I don't have any account on twitter or Tiktok and try to follow volleyball, transfers and news here on these treads, thinking that decend and serious people are here. Mostly yes, but not you or people who attacks like hyena in packs. You feel the right for meaningless attacks but when someone reacts, you try to play innocent and victim. I feel sorry for you.

Quote from WZP

Oh, thank you. The same as Akoz.

I don't read each single comment. I have some other entertainments.

You gave the best description of SOME Turkish users appearing here. I have impression that you have some complexes and want to heal them by insulting others. Also fatal mentality - instead of cutting from such behavior like Akoz, repeating it.

Me, wounded because Turkey won all of the trophies => are you 5 years old!?

Jezzz...

I have nothing against Turkey (especially against holidays in Turkey) so calm down and stop to be clown.

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Actually you don't worth to be replied but let me tell you this. Only idiots, same as you believe in what you say about, "you don't read each single comment in these threads" since you are everywhere in these threads continuously.

Also you don't have that capacity to judge who I am and also it is not your business.

Try another door to fool others, who acts and behave like you. What you are trying to do is obvious.