Italian league is dying and evil Turks are taking over with their corrupt money, poor Italy, so sad, WE GET IT.
Turkiye: OK? But this was written by a guy from a country with some semi-amateur league that never had any money for anything
Posts by Copravolley22
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Display MoreClubs play to win trophies and for themselves. It's not their task to keep the NT competitive. In any modern sport league this is a very clear concept (except for Turkey and Russia) and the top leagues are operated by indipendent organisms under the mandate of the federations.
No sponsor would invest a lot of money on a club just to sign weak local players to keep the NT competitive. On the other hand it would totally kill the league.
If I am a sponsor, I want to link my name to a successful club who can hire the best players (no matter the nationality) and win trophies, exposing my name to the world. Ask yourself if you knew Imoco before they linked their name to volleyball, now there is no country where Imoco is an unknown brand. This is what any other sponsors want. They don't give a s*it about NTs and they are totally right about it.
Anyway, please don't start yet another time the same complainings about the league getting weak and out of money. Stay in topic and talk about the transfers rumors, not the NTs.
Display MoreClubs play to win trophies and for themselves. It's not their task to keep the NT competitive. In any modern sport league this is a very clear concept (except for Turkey and Russia) and the top leagues are operated by indipendent organisms under the mandate of the federations.
No sponsor would invest a lot of money on a club just to sign weak local players to keep the NT competitive. On the other hand it would totally kill the league.
If I am a sponsor, I want to link my name to a successful club who can hire the best players (no matter the nationality) and win trophies, exposing my name to the world. Ask yourself if you knew Imoco before they linked their name to volleyball, now there is no country where Imoco is an unknown brand. This is what any other sponsors want. They don't give a s*it about NTs and they are totally right about it.
Anyway, please don't start yet another time the same complainings about the league getting weak and out of money. Stay in topic and talk about the transfers rumors, not the NTs.
There's also a middle ground – the Polish men's league. Top clubs are subsidized by state-owned companies, but obviously not with the same sums as in Tur or Rus, plus a search for private sponsors for the biggest stars, like Leon. The Italian system, on the other hand, is simply ineffective these days. Relying solely on private funding in a country where 90% of the attention is devoted to football is doomed to failure.
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Galatasaray made an important offer for Haak
Like I said many times: Italian league will be destroyed
Clubs should focus on developing Young Italian players so even if Serie A1 will get trash, the national team will still be the top of the world
It's some deja vu, like at the same as in 2009-2010... But Antropova's departure has already shown that the Italian league will slowly decline. Either budgets will be increased or solutions proposed, like those in Poland's men's league- support for best clubs with sponsorship from state-owned companies (where at least most of the best Poles play at home), or it will be a very dramatic decline, as we're already seeing. And it's not that it's impossible to compete with Turkey, Japan, or Saudi Arabia, because the Premier League in football shows that even in a democratic country you can have a strong and competitive league. But you also need to pay the biggest stars adequately... After the success of the Italian NT in the last 2 or 3 years, there should be a significant inflow of cash to the budgets of the top men's and women's clubs. If this doesn't happen, Italy will have only itself to blame and will lose volleyball, just like calcio and basketball long time ago.
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But he had Sylla playing the main OH role: she may be inconsistent and pretty mid for the clubs, but she's a great NT performer. Obviously, having Egonu-Antropova duo is huge, but Antropova handling the opposite's duty is very probable, Nervini or Omoruyi filling in role of Sylla: a big question mark. So yeah, I find it crucial from the ECH's perspective.
Sylla has almost a all season of vacation on the club, so she should be rested for the NT season, just like Giba some times ago
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Btw, which match did Italy play really well last season? The VNL final against Brazil was chaotic and doesn`t good and also the World Champ. final phase against Brazil and Turkey, with terribly unstable play for us. Ok, there were easy 3-0 wins against Poland and Germany, but in my opinion, it was more the opponent's mentality that lost those matches before start, than us winning them with some good play.
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De Gennaro already retired from the NT I'm not sure how you missed that everyone and their grandfathers posted about it
What else exacly did I write? That the other 4 should be there, except de Gennaro. Sylla will be 32 on this year, which isn't that old in the sport at this times, and the rest are under 30: Orro, Egonu, Danesi. Some rest will be good, but they can easily play at the European Championships. De Gennaro and Erdem played in the NT when they were under 40, without any long breaks.
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But if these 4 are only returning for the European Championships, I hope it will be better done than in 2023 under Mazzanti, where there was chaos, rumors, scandals, etc., and Egonu ultimately played at the European Championships, but as a reserve behind Antropova. I hope Velasco will do it better, because it can definitely be done better. Meanwhile, Italy won everything last season, OK, but their form was rather poor, especially in the decisive World Champ., matches. So, I can say this team had a somewhat more relaxed season after the excellent Olympics years.
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So he meant that Orro and Danesi will be back for the ECH, and with Egonu and Sylla - this is a question mark yet? I'd say that Sylla may be the most important for this year's ECH for Italy in terms of replacement value, even more than Egonu.
I hope everyone except Moki will be at the European Championships in late summer. Looking at Italy's bracket, it won't be a difficult tournament until the semifinals, where you'll have to give 100%. While there's still a chance, you have to win everything, because if Russia returns, it won't be so easy
Besides, a gold medal at the European Championships guarantees a spot in the 2028 Olympics, so it's a safe time for the next 2 years. I'm optimistic for today. -
Overall this was a typical match of Stuttgart this season: balanced good roaster, playing very well together and being very stable throughout the match. This combined made them virtually untouchable so far in German competitions and was also too much for THY this time.
And I remind, that Stuttgart could defeat several Italian and Turkish teams in the past in our own hall, while never winning abroad there. This makes an huge difference too.
But against Galatasaray has little chance of anything more, for example, advance?
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Akimova is out of shape, I know, but she’s been making the same excessive errors for 4–5 years now
It seems that injuries have syopped her sports development. Unfortunately, in professional sports, besides talent, good health and a lack of injuries are also important. Pietrini has had similar experiences with injuries. Looking at Antropova- she's also great because she hasn't had a single injury in her life. At her age, Pietrini probably had two or three serious breaks.
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Stuttgart has lost only one set so far in the league this season.
Is this level of, for example, Rzeszów's on Champions League? It's a shame they're not playing in the Champions League this year.
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Stuttgart is clearly the strongest German team this season so far. Therefore, a comparison with the Zeren vs. Dresden game makes absolutely no sense.
Do you think Stuttgart would have win a set/sets against Zeren?
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Congeliano currently has a much better minor points ratio than Zeren and if they maintain/increase it in subsequent matches, a 2-3 defeat in Istanbul will be enough for them to secure first place in the group, with a relatively modest difference in minor points ratio: no more than -10. Assuming five-set matches, this difference is rarely higher. However, they will need to push 100% in their home matches against ŁKS and Dresden to improve their ratio.
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THY from beating Fenerbahce to losing vs Stuttgart within just a few days
Who's better in your league table? Stuttgart or Dresden? Looking at the cup results, Zeren is much more stable than THY.
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And they did beat Thy 3-0 at home lol. Looks like a horrible game from Tuğba/bergman/nicoletti
It doesn't matter to Turkey anyway, as they were on a collision course with Galatasaray in the next round, and I don't think Stuttgart will also knock Galatasaray out of this competition.
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When can I see by all results on the group, however, it's clear that Zeren is on similar level that Congeliano in their matches against ŁKS and Dresden. The first close match was no coincidence. For me, seeing by the results, Zeren is performing above expectations in their first season in the Champions League. I expected them to lose one or two sets in their matches in Poland and Germany.
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That is true. It comes down to how much the teams are able and willing to invest in these other branches, both financially and culturally.
We have cases like Fenerbahçe where they really are among the biggest clubs in multiple sports (Football, Basketball, Volleyball etc). GS is not bad either, but then in volleyball Beşiktaş is obviously struggling more generating a consistent fanbase despite also being a huge club. And then like you said sponsored teams struggle more in cities like Istanbul and Ankara, whereas they thrive in smaller or medium sized cities, same with government backed ones in TR.
But Italy could at least have one team like FB/Olympiakos to fill that role imo, it does provide some stability for the overall league. Also Italy needs more government backing in sports if they wanna dominate Turkey long term (and Russia in the future)
Yes, government support is needed, but the only thing the Italian Prime Minister does is invite the NT women's and men's teams after their successes, gold medals, etc. and take selfies with them
These loser people in power are beyond our words
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Personally I prefer these cry babies over cocky Crovolley but people should chill. Turkish teams had domination over Italian ones in 2023 as well, and then in 2024 and 2024 it was other way around. And this year it seems like Turkish teams have the edge again. So what? It doesn't mean doomsday for serie a.
By the way I don't get this narrative of Italian teams are poor while evil Turkish clubs have a lot of money. Do you guys realize Conegliano has players like Haak, Zhu, Gabi, Wolosz etc in their roster? Probably each of these player is being paid more than a million. Same for Milano's roster
Thanks for the nice words, but unfortunately, this is more remember me of the begining of dark period: 2011-2016 seasons than 2022 or 2023. Of course, it won't happen immediately, but certain effects are already visible in the results themselves and this will continue to deep season by season. OK, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, so there's no point in falling into triumphalism after last season, but unfortunately, the trend is very clear: Italian clubs are financially unable to compete with the 4 or 5? teams in Turkey, and this has been a consistent trend for the past 2 or 3 years. Without at least stopping this trend, I see things looking bad for the Italian league in the medium term.
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In other words, what needs to happen is for your soccer/football teams (e.g Milan, Inter, Juventus etc) to launch other sections such as basketball, handball, water polo and volleyball akin to the powerhouses or juggernauts in Turkey and Greece. Olympiacos and Panathinaikos in Greece are also competitive in everything from volleyball and water polo to football and basketball and Red Star Belgrade (Crvena Zvezda) has historically been involved in everything from basketball and football to volleyball. Imagine the female volleyball team Juventus FC. You have to talk with Agnelli & co about the subject.
It's a good idea, but assuming, pro example, the Milan section will divide the funds equally, like Fenerbahce, and not allocate 90% to calcio... I've already written about this. Another issue: in Italy, the government needs to provide tax breaks for companies that support sports (I lived in ITA since 2000, it has been ruled by: the left, the right, the 5-star populists and no one really wanted to support the sport seriously, not even Berlusconi, who owned Milan for many years), which will encourage them to invest. It would be useful if several state-owned companies also started investing in clubs on various sports, as is currently the case in Poland. For example, if ENEL owned a club in Milan or Florence, Antropova and Orro would still be playing in Italy. It's crucial for me to keep the local stars at home, because they are recognizable and promote the sport to the majority of the population. Without Orro, Egonu, etc., this league will die because no one will want to watch it except a small group of fanatics.
Btw, for now, the most of big Italian football clubs have entered women's football seriously: Juventus, Milan, Roma and Inter have teams in the women's Serie A, something they didn't have a few years ago and these teams have more money for good players for Ita and abroad. So the trend is good, but now it's time to expand into other sports: basketball, volleyball, water polo, etc.
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In team sports, there's an unwritten rule: if your league declines in quality, then to prevent the national team from suffering the same fate, you need to further strengthen your youth system. That means if all your foreign and Italian superstars leave, you need to replace them with young players from the youth system and avoid signing mediocre foreign players.
I say this because I believe the Italian league will find itself at this crossroads in a few years because the money in Italian volleyball is decreasing (actually, no Italian sport has money, not even Italian football) and we don't have strong industrial groups willing to invest (or rather, throw money away: in sport, you never get a financial return, you always throw money away) in Italian volleyball.
So when the Italian league will completely decline in quality in the future and mustn't fall into the temptation of signing mediocre foreign players to replace them. Instead, it must further strengthen its youth system and practically only have Italian players playing.
With more and more players moving to richer leagues like the Russian and Turkish ones, a general technical downsizing of the Italian women's league now seems inevitable.
A decisive, completely irreversible, and profound weakening.
So, I'll ask you a question from a national perspective: do you think the national team will continue to produce talent even when the Italian league declines (a bit like Brazil or France, which don't have excellent leagues but have very strong national teams because practically only local players from the age of 16 play in their countries) or will it be like football, where, to compensate for the loss of top players, mediocre foreign players will be preferred instead of significantly strengthening the youth system(because when your league drops in quality if you want to avoid your National team If you want to avoid the national team suffering the same fate then you need to strengthen the youth teams even more)?
Fortunately, in volleyball you have limits for foreign players, which you don't have in football. I hope it never goes the way of calcio... On the other hand, if calcio had limits similar to volleyball, at least the current situation of the NT team would be much better than it is. I'm a bit optimistic here.