Posts by gokak

I am very impressed by Turkey. Even without Naz, Neslihan, Polen, Eda etc they managed to beat teams like US, Russia, Serbia etc.
I guess this is mainly due to their respective club's ambitions and high targets on competitions. That forms a winning mentality, which is vital for any sport, psychological aspect of the game.
(Even part of the players are young and are subs or bench players of their clubs.)

A special mention to Gözde, should be one of the most passionate player in the world. : )

Again very impressed!

People, this " Shiznut81" guy, has got nothing to do with volleyball, considering latest posts, he is way biased against a nation, and trying to create a fighting environment.
So I suggest you all neglect his posts, and do not even consider his posts. He is doing it on purpose.

Quote from Canter

my friend stop talking silly, Turkey played just with wing spikers how cany you expect Turkey to beat China with that ? Bahar Toksoy played with 2 attack points and Büşra 1 point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Turkish wing spikers were better than Chinese ones except Zhu Ting.

Exactly, the difference maker was Zhu.
If I am not mistaken,Turkey beat China in last year grand prix.

Quote from hejjdeu

China played really bad especially on reception,turkey should have beaten them when they were such bad. 1 point is good though

Actually it is other way around, cause they are playing against Turkey, they had reception problems, you can not have perfect reception with a tough opponent. I see that they have only lost 1 set in 5 matches, but I guess they were against weaker teams.

China seems to be the highest performing team in this Grand Prix.
3-2 to China.
Zhu seems to be the difference between Turkey and China.
Very high blocks and spikes from Zhu.

Quote from Shiznut81

lol turkey they suck so badly they can t win over any serious nt if they are in form and turkish club sucsses are so misleading one would actually think they have very good players almost all of them are average i just lol at the comments made by some turkish volleyball fans on this forum like saying polen is same or not even better then brakocevic bahar being of the best mbs in the world and naz being one of the best setters in the world and so on and so forth only player that i can say is a good players in turkish nt is neslihan that is it rest are average or even lower then that time to face the reality turkish volleyball fans

People should neglect and avoid replying these kind of posters comments, with non-sense generalizations and full of irrational thinking.

Quote from serdar

It is soo obvious that one really doesn't need to be biased in order to criticize Fenerbahçe's amateur management, maybe you fanatics should try to look from more objective perspective and make autocriticism

Do not dare to call anybody fanatics, unless you know that person. So be aware.
As stated before, Fener may have a bad management, that does not make it automatic quilty for the current situation. That only emphasizes that.
Nothing else.

If calling for rational thinking and analyzing the current situation and putting certain opinion leads you to call people fanatics.

Than you might well be in that category yourself.

Quote from scarpetta

I'm not against Fener , I'm against their irrational management.I explained it in another post. Even this season I'm supporting Fener because of Nilay. Maybe you should read before posting .GOT IT ??

It does not matter who you support or whatever reason you do that for. At least for me.
Fener may have bad management, but about the current situation, that's not their fault.

Quote from scarpetta

Kim is very unlucky that she is playing for Fenerbahce. You can't find worse management than the fenerbahce volleyball team's one.

Kim may answer you;
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I have not broken any rules but the reality that the places that truly cherish me,
worry about my future and earnestly help me are the Fenerbahce Sport Club
and the Turkish Volleyball Federation makes me really sad! TT
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Hate irrational and meaningless posts. You are clearly biased against Fener. The current situation has got nothing to the Fener. Only between Kim and the ex-Company.

Fener has done the agreement upon the verification of Fivb.

Just read before posting.

Quote from yates

And Korea beat Brazil fair and square, as well, so it's not enough that Turkey beat them. In such a balanced group, consistency (or lack of) is key. So, people obviously have the right to call it rigged if they want. But that doesn't make Turkey team any better. Turkey and Brazil are both in this situation because, let's face it, they underperformed big time. And Korea surprised. Before the OG, people considered Brazil and Turkey contenders for medals, most probably 2nd and 3rd force in the pool. And look where they are now. They have no one to blame but themselves. And just to highlight that: I'm sure Turkey won't find the slightest problem in USA using subs against them, while the other 4 teams had the difficulty of facing USA's best. We're calling it fair? And Brazil, on the other hand, is praying to God that USA uses what's best, cause they need it so much. Moral is a tricky business, my fellow. But the reality is that both Turkey and Brazil are in this situation because they failed to do what was expected of them.

Perfectly agree with you.
Turkey and Brazil have no one to blame but themselves.

Quote from jist

I'm pissed reading all of the Turkish fans' speculation about game fixing between Korea and China.

Can't we just give credit where credit is due? Korea and China beat Turkey fair and square. Whether Turkey qualifies or not for the quarters, Korea and China and even Brazil will reach the next stage by their own merit and not because of some game fixing allegations.

Actually, these also based on Korea - China badminton players who were also disqualified. And people are referencing to that.
So this is an open community discusion, you may well hear that from couple of people here. You have to live with that.

By the way, if you know the scores, Turkey beat Korea (3:2) fair and square.

Traditionally Italy is a big headach for Russia especially last 5 years or so. Won't be suprised if Italy wins this match again.

Quote from Canter

But in youth category Turkey got the Balkan title this year.

actually what matters is to raise up new players from this generations to A team....tradition in volleyball is important. and Serbia and Turkey have created a tradition in youth and Juniour category in Balkans and in Europe.

Agreed...

From other posters, I 'll begin to think that Raising Bright and Succesfull youth for A teams is actually a bad thing to do. : )

If utilized properly, that will form the foundations for future.

For USA/Russia, not having successfull youth teams doesn't tell me much.

In every sports category youth development and foundations is of great importance.

Quote from serdar

You are talking totally irrelevant with what I wrote above. I've opposed to your idea saying Turkish players are one of most experienced group in Olympics due to reasons I've counted before. Now, you are talking about trusting yourself, being mentally strong and bla bla Trusting yourself is one thing being experienced is another thing

Let me put it straight for you, Turkey's experience is more than enough to achieve anything, if performance is there.

And alsoYou'll get the answer by just looking at the last Grand Prix, how Ex-Grand Prix experience didn't mean anything.

That's why I conclude with, mental toughness and performance, this will overcome obstacles if there is.

Quote from serdar

Are you sure about this We have never experienced OG before while most of Brasilian, American, Italian, Russian, Japanese players have already experienced OG (some of them many times) About club competitions, all players in the roster of teams I've counted above have played in CL or high level leagues for many years. On the other hand, for example we've played only 2 times in GP whereas others are frequenter All in all if we are talking about strengths, experience is not the one we would trust (comparing with other teams in OG)

Don't agree on this one bit. If you are mentally strong you don't even think about this.

Recent example; Last Grand Prix, Players don't say, 'Look this is only the second time we are in World Grand Prix, and first time in the Finals, normally we should'nt win any medals.' But Turkey comes up strong and wins bronze, obviously players don't think like you.

Be it Grand Prixes, World Champ, Champions League or Olympics, you play with same teams and same players. If you are mentally strong and perform better than your opponent, than you win. Sports people should approach the task this way.

It is meaningless to discuss the number of participations into competitions. (Otherwise, teams like Purto Rico and Algeria would be successfull, by representing their continents.) What matters is trust to yourself and your team, and match performance.

In this aspect Turkey is a perfect example, effectiveness and efficiency wise.

So for next 5-10 years, Turkey will always fight and perform for medals, that's a simple fact, whether participating 2nd, 3rd or 4th time into any competitions.

Note: Becoming European Champs and World Champs (in 2010 and 2011 respectively) in Youth Girls Category tells a lot about the future.
I fully trust their mental toughness, character, and I am sure they always set targets higher. (even in case they are eliminated in this Olympics.)

So you should count not the participation times, but the effort and performance you put on court and your targets.

I think pressure will not be an issue tomorrow for Turkey. I feel it will effect positively, and they'll perform better.
Also Turkish players are one of most experienced group in Olympics, mainly due to club and other int. competitions.

So I expect them to perform better, as seen in last couple of years. But will that be enough again USA, that's another issue.

Quote from pol

I think it's ilusory advatage for Turkey...Russia seems to be very strong here and will fight to win a gold medal. It will not be so easy to beat Russia like it was during European Qualifications in May.

We'll all see, if that matchup happens. I wonder the outcome as well.

Quote from pol

Now TUR propably has a chance only for 4th place in group stage It's a bad news because they will propably face Russia in quarerfinal...

Actually that is not that bad. If I remember right, Turkey won last 2 games out of 3, against Russia including ECH 2011 and Olympic Qual. Tourney.

Actually team USA is on another level right now.

For Brazil, they are better athletizm wise compared to Turkey, but mentally Turkish team looks stronger. To be able to comeback and win the set from 19-12 aginst ex-Champion tells a lot to me.

If Ze Roberto wouldn't know every single thing (strengths and weaknesses) about Turkish Girls cause of Turkish League Coaching, Turkey would have played more relaxed.