I don't think this draw result is reliable because it comes from wikipedia which is possible to everyone to make changes in it,so as far as I know teams with same rank in poll E and F will not be in a same group
It's official, all Polish media are yelling about Pool of Death with Poland 
Since the beginning we knew this rule is a shit, but the teams accepted so...
Somehow i liked it, at least Poland won't have all benefits, actually i think their journey is about to end, what is fair because this team don't belong to top 4
PS: Do not undertimate Germany, they have team to beat France and Iran, off course it is going to be a battle but i don't see them this weak as others, Iran is the only i'd say has a little advantage
In case of Moroz out is still possible to change , like call Kruglov ?
After the match brazilian doctor said Sidão was just rested, nothing serious besides a rest due to his tendinitis, Murilo with a muscular problem and Wallace with ankle no info yet, just exams will say
Display MoreSince the beginning we knew this rule is a shit, but the teams accepted so...
Somehow i liked it, at least Poland won't have all benefits, actually i think their journey is about to end, what is fair because this team don't belong to top 4
PS: Do not undertimate Germany, they have team to beat France and Iran, off course it is going to be a battle but i don't see them this weak as others, Iran is the only i'd say has a little advantage
In case of Moroz out is still possible to change , like call Kruglov ?
After the match brazilian doctor said Sidão was just rested, nothing serious besides a rest due to his tendinitis, Murilo with a muscular problem and Wallace with ankle no info yet, just exams will say
It's impossible, You can call roster consisted of 14 players before tournament and You cann't change anyone if You want during tournament... Russia lost Moroz unfortunately and Pavlov isn't 100% healthy - Muserskiy or Ilinykh can be OP if necessary... maybe those injuries by all teams won't affect final results much.
We have one easy and one much tougher pool, but later it will mix in SF so if Poland goes through 3rd Round (it's almost impossible unfortunately ;() then Semfinal seems to be easier, but of course there are no easy opponents in this phase, though Germany still seems to be the weakest link...
Somehow i liked it, at least Poland won't have all benefits, actually i think their journey is about to end, what is fair because this team don't belong to top 4
So teams from other groups belong to top 4 more than Poland? I don't think so.
So teams from other groups belong to top 4 more than Poland? I don't think so.
Agree, Iran, Poland and France seem to be on similar level what last games proved us. Brazil and Russia are higher, but injuries won't help them. And Germany for me is a bit lower than France, Iran and Poland.
Display MoreSomehow i liked it, at least Poland won't have all benefits, actually i think their journey is about to end, what is fair because this team don't belong to top 4
PS: Do not undertimate Germany, they have team to beat France and Iran, off course it is going to be a battle but i don't see them this weak as others, Iran is the only i'd say has a little advantage
In case of Moroz out is still possible to change , like call Kruglov ?
After the match brazilian doctor said Sidão was just rested, nothing serious besides a rest due to his tendinitis, Murilo with a muscular problem and Wallace with ankle no info yet, just exams will say
I even registred myself again (I forgot my password) to answer this.
ARE YOU EVEN FOR REAL? 
ALL BENEFITS?!
There's no team in this tournament who has harder way and opponents than Poland. First we were in harder half with every important team aside from Bra and Rus (while these two had highway to third round and we know before it was even started that they qualified without effort playing not even second team but third!) and then after all of this we got Russia and Brasil.
name me one team in this WCH that to get to semifinals have to face opponents on the level we do. We had two theoretically easier matches, how many did you have?!?! We lost ONE match. ALL teams in second half lost two
seriously, next time think before writing
So teams from other groups belong to top 4 more than Poland? I don't think so.
I think so, especially Iran, actually USA and Italy had they playeyd their best are in my eyes the best team, but that is just my opinion, and i also know the level is quite the same ( i agree with poeple saying the level is higher than previous years, many teams improved a lot ) so it is not going to be a shock Polang making it to the finals
By the way, why does Brazil have to move toŁódź if they won their group? I thought Brazil and France would stay put where they were. This is what's bugging me.
By the way, why does Brazil have to move toŁódź if they won their group? I thought Brazil and France would stay put where they were. This is what's bugging me.
It was mentioned from beginning that if Poland qualifies to 3rd Round, then its Pool will play in Lódź and all other teams have to accept it. So Russia and Brazil has to move to Lódź, while Germany, Iran and France has to go to Katowice
Schedule available.
09/16
France v Germany
Poland v Brazil
09/17
Germany v Iran
Brazil v Russia
09/18
France v Iran
Poland v Russia
That's what you get from being the best team in the competition as yet.
By the way, why does Brazil have to move toŁódź if they won their group? I thought Brazil and France would stay put where they were. This is what's bugging me.
we know before WCH started that if Poland qualifies to third round we will play in Lodz because of some formal obligations to the city. So if Brasil and Russia plays with us, they have to move. Before you start complaing, our team is the most screwed one here, you must admit.
they say that our federation tried to set us up against Trento 2008-2010 for semi finals and against Martians in final but unfortunatelly they didn't manage 
It was mentioned from beginning that if Poland qualifies to 3rd Round, then its Pool will play in Lódź and all other teams have to accept it. So Russia and Brazil has to move to Lódź, while Germany, Iran and France has to go to Katowice
And some people here want to say Poland has not got any advantage, c'mon, i'm not saying i'm against it, as you mentioned all teams accepted and knew it, but deny it is an advantage especially in this hard schedule it is not see the real
People talk too much about unbaleced groups but who could imagine Bulgaria would do so bad ? and Germany always do well with their A team...
And some people here want to say Poland has not got any advantage, c'mon, i 'm saying i'm against it, as you mentioned all teams accepted and knew it, but deny it is an advantage especially in this hard schedule it is not see the real
and you just cannot accept that it's not as much advantage for our TEAM but for city. Advantage that would kick us in our asses in final-to-be beacause after third round we will/would be the the one that moves.
seriously complaing about our "advantages" is simply silly right now. Maybe audience shouldn't be allow to chear for us because that would be 100% fair
People talk too much about unbaleced groups but who could imagine Bulgaria would do so bad ? and Germany always do well with their A team...
everyone who saw them in WL??? Ok, but let's say that Bulgaria is indeed team from top and noone could predict that they would play so bad this year. That makes three teams from top in this half and Poland, Serbia, Argentina, USA, France, Iran and Italy (if we count Bulgaria) in second. Seriously, stop cursing reality.
I would risk and say that Belgium playing in another half would have pretty big chances for third round.
For me the tournament has been exciting, but at the same time incredibly frustrating.
There is no need for a Phase 3. Would we have complained if the top 4 teams from each group advanced to a quarterfinals? I really doubt it. Imagine what the matches would have been: Brazil vs. USA, France vs. Canada, Germany vs. Poland and Russia vs. Iran.
Would Brazil have thrown the match against Russia to not play Iran, while still waiting to see if the USA won?
Each of these matches would have had tension, but now we've got more Pool play matches. The teams have already played 9 matches. Adding a third pool play round is just stupid.
FIFA used to do this, but they got rid of it because it kills the ambiance. I do like having the 2nd pool play round for volleyball, but have 4 groups of 4 and each of the teams is from a different group. Then go to quarterfinals (top 2 advance), semifinals and finals. You could have 5-8th place games if you want, but if not, that's okay.
Display MoreFor me the tournament has been exciting, but at the same time incredibly frustrating.
There is no need for a Phase 3. Would we have complained if the top 4 teams from each group advanced to a quarterfinals? I really doubt it. Imagine what the matches would have been: Brazil vs. USA, France vs. Canada, Germany vs. Poland and Russia vs. Iran.
Would Brazil have thrown the match against Russia to not play Iran, while still waiting to see if the USA won?
Each of these matches would have had tension, but now we've got more Pool play matches. The teams have already played 9 matches. Adding a third pool play round is just stupid.
FIFA used to do this, but they got rid of it because it kills the ambiance. I do like having the 2nd pool play round for volleyball, but have 4 groups of 4 and each of the teams is from a different group. Then go to quarterfinals (top 2 advance), semifinals and finals. You could have 5-8th place games if you want, but if not, that's okay.
this third round is not only unnecessary but just horribly wrong and unfair.
first of all three teams groups make it incredibly easy to manipulate result and screw up the team who plays first two matches (like Brasil did in this WL)
It was mentioned from beginning that if Poland qualifies to 3rd Round, then its Pool will play in Lódź and all other teams have to accept it. So Russia and Brazil has to move to Lódź, while Germany, Iran and France has to go to Katowice
Thanks, kondzio!
In Poland's case, as much as it seems they are at an disadvantage, they had a fairly easy first phase, thus had an early lead in points in the second phase where they had to face stronger opponents (and even then had things going for them with Italy's struggle without Zaytsev and other results, such as Argentina's win over USA). Now they won't have to move to a different city, will have a day off in-between games and will face other strong teams with crucial players injured. No place for playing victim now.
Poland won 3-2 so we have situation when France has 17 points with W-L 5-2 and Poland has 16, but has 6-1...
So it's time for a draw
yeah, it's weird that a team that finishes 6-1 should be below a team that finishes 5-2.
similar situation in the other group, china finished last but is 2-5, whereas finland and cuba are both 1-6 but higher points. fivb needs to come up with a better system.
wow. so sad to see the US did not go through. and yes, i'm gonna curse the unbalanced pools, certainly US is a better team than GER.
obviously POL got a somewhat easier group in first round but not 2nd or 3rd round! certainly being hosts is not helping them get to the final.
and yes, this stupid 3rd round with groups of 3 is pathetic and stupid. why not use the same system as in olympics, set up quarterfinals and even set a draw for the 2nd and 3rd ranked teams as they have done before, so it's not automatic.
In Poland's case, as much as it seems they are at an disadvantage, they had a fairly easy first phase, thus had an early lead in points in the second phase where they had to face stronger opponents (and even then had things going for them with Italy's struggle without Zaytsev and other results, such as Argentina's win over USA).
This is discussion about our advantages as hostes. Are you suggesting that we as organisator caused Zaycew's injury and made Argentina win? Because these are pretty strong accusations
QuoteNow they won't have to move to a different city
and will/would have to move in finals. It's LODZ advantage. I can assure you that our federation would make them play on moon, if moon local govern paied more
Quotewill have a day off
in-between games
this one is valid
Quoteand will face other strong teams with crucial players
injured
again... is it accusation?
QuoteNo place for playing victim now.
it's not playing the victim. These are facts. If you can, name me any other tournament with such a hard path for hosts. Especially in volleyball.
all this discussion started with statement that the draw was great because that at least that ends ALL OUR HOST ADVANTAGES (this was overtone of this post), not "who is more screwed" because we all agree that this draw sucks a big time for all three teams in our group. So I'm talking about these advantages. As much as I know the only two things our boys got from Poland being hosts is: 1) one day off beetween matches in third group (that someone had to have) 2) one training more than Serbia on Stadium (though Serbia's trainings were assured according to rules). At the same time to get to semifinals we have to face: Serbia, Argentina, USA, Italy, Iran, France, Brasil and Russia. All of this even BEFORE semifinals. It's really rare to have such a path even for team that is NOT host.
I'm sorry, but I think you're so used to complain about hosts in volleyball and their advantages that you lashed out. We really all know the situations when host not only made their path shamefully easy, but also placed other teams in worse hotels, serve awful food, disturbed or even prevented trainings from happening. You have police escort to avoid traffic for crying it loud. Or maybe I don't know about our "advantages" and you're treated horribly. Please enlighten me then
formula is ridiculous and evrybody who can think, knows that. It's enough to say that for Germany to qualify to semifinals it's enough to beat Cuba, Bulgaria and one of Iran/France and for us beating Serbia, Argentina, Italy, Iran and France and being ahead of USA might be not enough
first of all three teams groups make it incredibly easy to manipulate result and screw up the team who plays first two matches (like Brasil did in this WL)[/quote]
Well remembered, depending on the result, Russia and Poland can play to kick out Brazil like they did in WL, in other group it is a bit more difficult because they are quite the same, but system is a fail, and create this opportunity.
I wish someday volleyball can be lead by serious and integrity people that don't change the rule or championship system every year
