Posts by Saybia

Quote from SantaCruz

First of all, i've been to Istanbul and i loved your city, your culture and i wish i can go back there soon. I saw Fener game and i got to know some persons of the staff and i have nothing against them, as i have nothing against any other team. When i said "it's not a matter of deserve" i was referring to both of them. I have to admit that i found funny last year when all Fener fans were saying, "we will everything with that team", because for me sport is more a matter of mentality not only money (example, Jesi...take a look at their history). But everyone is free to express their own thoughts, always respecting the others.
FBA is a huge society of course, but in Italy we don't have to culture of multisports as in Turkey, Spain, Serbia, Russia etc...also because volleyball in Italy is not legally considered a professional sport So there's a huge difference between volley and other sports, legally speaking...volley is like a small society, while other sports are bigger.
Dulcis in fundo, my critic was to the players who accept that kind of situation, because i have a specific idea of sport, not to Fener that has money to spend...as i said, good for them

Peace!

SantaCruz, don't worry i'm all surrounded by peace:) and come again, you're always welcome here.;) actually i've closed the discussion cause that wasn't going anywhere, but to feel more peaceful; i wasn't trying to compare the teams. I was just trying to strenghten my message for you to get my point better. Apparently I've failed:) And i was almost completely agree with you too. So if you excuse me i wanna end this "deserve" discussion..

Moreover, I wanna comment about that 5,6 foreign players subject too. First of all, for my team's success, I'm against to that idea too. 4 is the optimum number for me. We all need an OH and an opposite as the foreign players. But if we won't able to find a Turkish setter to back up Naz, then they might consider a foreign setter too. But for each case I'm speaking, there is no need to have such a high level player like Lo Bianco. Cause that would be ridicilous to not to play her. And if she would play that means Naz and another foreign player wont play too. The most logical thing would be considering players like Kirillova or Dirickx. Dirickx knows the team very well and i suppose she won't mind to be a backup. But Kirillova, she would be the perfect choice. She is 45 and Naz could use her experiences. And in some cruical games when Naz wouldn't play very well, she could be the perfect fit to replace Naz on the game.

And when we criticizing the players we should consider that we do have such players like Nati and Sokolova. Nati is 34 and Sokolova is 33. I am sure they want to sit down on some games too. They both have child. Sokolova played opposite in Jesi last year. becuse of it's getting so tiring to play 4. But this year she will play as an OH most possibily. And i think thats why Fenerbahçe has chosen her. They know Sokolova wouldn't mind to sit at some unserious league games in Turkey. So as a result, Fenerbahçe has two foreign players now. But they both are like the big sisters of the team. Their main job is to keep the squads harmony as good as possible. In fact one of them is a Turkish citizen also:)

so thats enough for me, I'm done, and "Peace" again:)

Who says they have to alde?
anyway like vblover said i'm not going to discuss off topic subjects anymore, sorry for bothering you..

You're manipulating the topic. You may not like M.Ali Aydınlar's comments, or you may not like the way he's running the club, i don't care, But the way you're writing here with hate, that's what i don't like, and you're directing that hate just not to M.Ali Aydınlar, it's for us too, including me and many, that comment of yours goes like that..
and I dont believe that you can't see the main fact which is so obvious. Fb, Bjk and Gs supporters are at least %80 percent of this country's population. And no matter they're rude or not, with the number of those peoople increases, our volleyball will be so much better than this. The children at schools would prefer playing volleyball than football because of their parents are not so far away like they're before. Eczacıbaşı and Vgstt raised volleyball players yes, and what has happened? Can you compare us with Brazil, Italy or Cuba? We have 70 million people living out here god sake, Those clubs may have raised some players and they have serviced the country as much as they can. We're grateful indeed. But that's not enough, the first step has to be to get more audience always. Thats my words and i don't think we need to discuss that here on the transfer news topic. Actually i don't think we need to discuss that further anywhere, cause i dont think we might get some common idea at near future:)

Joanamms, I'm sorry if i hurt you, or anywhere close:) anyway i'm just chilling i might got wrong impression what you've been told. And I'm reading over and over, and i still don't get it,
could you help me a lilttle, you read my comment and tried to explain how the club organisation can be different like NBA teams as you gave an example, and apparently i misunderstood you about being not such a volleyball club also being a sport club issue. Am i right? But in the main paragraph i also said, that we don't need to argue about how well the club's organizaion is, i only care here each club deserves to get some respect, that 5 foreign players thing, bench things all another topic for me, if you want to discuss we'll do that too certainly, however i don't think we need to, cause standing from here it looks like we're pretty much same:) are we cool now:P

about the names mentioned with Fenerbahçe, i say don't believe every name, cause in Turkey our press likes to make shocking news. They writes every name. In fact one of the major volleyball site once transferred Sokolova to Iskra Odintsovo:) Don't believe Turkish resources much. FBA also has an agenda and team plan too. We don't wanna transferr all the players. For example Lo Bianco is written with Vgstt and FBA both. But apparently she's gonna play for Bergamo again:)

Quote from joanamss

I think you cant compare countries politics, you are right Fenerbahçe is a big club, that invest in all sports, and I dont think that anyone doubt of that, and how organized the club is, but there is how works in Turkey, many soccer clubs investing in other sports, that dont mean that in Italy soccer teams should invest eather.....it works differently...not wrong or right or worse or best...For example, you should ask then why in USA, NBA teams dont have also teams in other sports? You see, it's just different ways of manage, Real Madrid, Barcelona, they are as big clubs as Fenerbahçe do you agree? And they dont invest hard in volleyball, but do in basketball. It is like this, each country, each club invest their own way.It is like Machester invest only in soccer, Bergamo invest only in volleyball, each one has a different way of working depending the interested, and the money they have and so on;;;

I think that what Fenerbahçe fans are not understanding, it is not that people dont respect them, at least most of it (I cant say in name of everyone of course..hehe), and it is not that they cant build a team to be champion (witch by the way they also did last season, they could have own Champions Legue, almost did, team you had were also incredible, didnt win cause Bergamo also had great team). They can sign with the biggest starts if they want. What everyone think is wrong it is the fact they are signing with this players to let them in bench! I mean, what looks like it is that they are afraid of letting go, so they want, more then build a strong team, it is to let others weak, by that they use the power of money they have to take all players from other teams. And that is a wrong view of sport! If they could use all then perfect, you have the right to build the strongest team you want, but you cant use all, and that is the problem, and that is what anoys me, and I think most of volleyball lovers. And that is what we think it is wrong and that we hope that Fenerbahçe do not succed.
And even can be bad for Turkish volleyball, cause I see a strong setter as Naz, with huge talent, being let aside cause they wanna just the first in the world. Then at least dont keep her, and let her go to a different team and play. Cant be good for Turkish NT to let a player like her all season in bench too.

Clearly Bergamo and Fenerbahçe have two very different ways of managing. Both wanna be champions, but Bergamo prefer to invest in young talents of Italy, and try to make it work, while fernebahçe wants all of the world's best by any cost, even if that mean they gonna let then in bench (at least it is how it has been this season looks like). In a bad comparison I could say, it is like both wanna make a garden....Bergamo buy the seeds, plant them and wait them grow. Fenerbahçe passes in the Gardens of everyone else get the msot beautifuls flowers and plant in their own, but miss space in the Garden for so many they collect they have to let in a vase inside home, where no one see it.

I think Fenerbahçe has being see with bad eyes by everyone cause of that, cause of the way they decide to manage things in volleyball this season. It is not about the club, it is about the atitude.

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Joanamss, Real Madrid and Barcelona have basketball teams too, but they dont have volleyball teams or boxing or athletisim, or table tennis, or swimming, or many others. We do have!! Maybe they have some of them too, i dont know, at least they re not investing like us. That's not important. That has no connection either. Whatever it name is every club in the world deserves some respect. And Lo Bianco or another player, names are not important, there is no such thing that any of them doesn't deserve Lo Bianco. I hope you're agree with me..

And about the other things, there are any signings yet? you're talking like FBA's one of the main goal is to weaken the rival. What would you say if we get Carillo and Fofao? I guess that would make Brazilian teams our rival too,, haa? Just a little patience, we need to wait and see what's gonna happen. That's not the time to make such harsh criticizms like that. I've mentioned you before, i don't want my team to get 5 star player in the roster. I hope they won't. But what I'm against here, and arguing here is so much different. You're right if we gather 5 star players and show them the bench, i agree, that's not the nicest thing in voleyball we might wanna see..

Quote from deepblue

Firstly, I don't think I have made as disgraceful of a comment as Mehmet Ali Aydinlar made while saying that Eczacibasi and Vakifbank should close down and become sponsors for other teams. I can't believe that this has gone relatively unmentioned in the media. If any Eczacibasi or Vakifbank executive suggested that Fenerbahce Volleyball branch had to close down, everyone would go wild in Turkey and would say all sorts of bad things. Since Fenerbahce is a "big" team - as you point out - they "deserve" to say/do everything, and to "purchase" everyone according to most of the fans. However, volleyball is not about spending huge sums of money as Foppa nicely proved on the court a few weeks ago in the Champions League final. What Mehmet Ali Aydinlar said is the greatest disrespect I've ever witnessed in volleyball history. That's why I don't think that a great player as Lo Bianco should not be a player of a team like Fenerbahce; the chair of the sponsor of which is a man like Mehmet Ali Aydinlar who is currently ripping volleyball of off its team combination beauty and diminishing it to a pure issue of "money".

Therefore I will say it again: Lo Bianco should be part of a team as graceful as Bergamo. She should be away from any team that possesses the same mentality of Fenerbahce because there is more to volleyball than just pure money.

Why the hell in world M:Ali Aydınlar's statement has a connection with that topic? You're basing with non sense thesises, and like commercial keep saying, repeating those nonrelative talkings whenever i get here. M.Ali Aydınlar has told before that Eczacıbaşı and Vgstt should not close their clubs entirely. He stated and advised them to unite their teams with the huge communities like GS and BJK. And like that they will get more success. They will get more community to support them. Can you tell me, there is no relation between FBA's success and ratings that we established has not effected Eczacıbaşı's higher investments that they've made comparing the years before? That is M.Ali Aydınlar's opinion, he is not forcing anyone or something like that. Do you have some respect for personal opinions?

and beyond all of that, this clubs name is Fenerbahçe, if you have a personel problem with M.Ali Aydınlar, you mention his name. Don't make disgraceful comments to a community who has more than 20 millioon supporters. And however succesfull she is i don't care, she is only a one person, but what Fenerbahçe is gonna do, trust me many people won't even get in a such slly discussion, i assure you! So many people criticizing FBA cause we're inflating the market. You should be thankful why we brought you a competition. The interest in Turkey getting more and more, people in Turkey watches volleyball games now. And now volleyball has a new solid team. Could you tell me Deepblue, how many supporters do Eczacıbaşı have? Eczacıbaşı has great successes and cups, but who cares them? Thousands? Maybe 10 thousand? Thats how you see volleyball has meant to be? Is that enough for you?

You have given a funny example and made a statement like Eczacıbaşı and Fenerbahçe is an equal community. Fenerbahçe is already supporting by millions. M.Ali Aydınlar wants Eczacıbaşı to has millions supporters too. Eczacıbaşı had a basketball team too many years ago. More then 20 i guess. And no one cared when they closed their clubs. For volleyball no one would care too, just you and volleyball lovers like me, Unfortunately our numbers are not quite enough., just realise those are trading companies, their main goal is trying to spread their name..

Quote from SantaCruz

Come on, it's not a matter of who deserves who...Lo Bianco is the best setter of the world and she's staying in one of the best societies of the world (speaking of results not money )...if Fener has a lot of money to spend good for them...i just don't understand how a player can accept to play random and sit in the tribune every 2 games...this is not spirit of sport...for me.

Anyway Leggeri, Turlea and Secolo are rumored to play for Carpi...they would join Fernandinha

Of course there is nothing to deserve, and Bergamo is so much more for volleyball, if we compare with FBA( because of their great history), i agree, but you should give some credits to Fenerbahçe too. It has written you're living in Italy, can you tell me what your teams as AC Milan, Juventus, etc. are taking part in volleyball, or basketball and the other branchs of course. Fenerbahçe is an huge society, you need to come here and live it to understand what I'am trying to explain.
And months ago when I've first joined here( that was because a racist comment), so many people were lecturing that Fenerbahçe supporters should had shown some respect to Bergamo who won that title for several times, and they were right in sort of way, then I'm looking those same persons to warn persons against similar comments like these. Your comment is nice, yeah but the person you've quoted was answering a disgraceful comment. I don't think he or she really feels that way. Is that a really bizarre thing to answer someone, like the way he did?

And i am wishing Lo Bianco great success, if they will be runner up after us i don't care:) wait a minute there are Eczacı and Vgstt too, 4th would be good for them. She is a great player but not acquiring her is better for us. But still i dont get Kasia's speech on her site. She was talking about Furst and Leo, she was misled too i guess:)

Quote from deepblue

It's great that Lo Bianco will stay in Bergamo! Fenerbahce doesn't deserve her. Fenerbahce is no more than big amounts of money but Bergamo is her home.

a little respect please..

Joanamss; I guess your answer is mostly to me:) First of all my comment was a correction to some people here, who were talking about that some star players are just gonna play for only the european games. Yeah it's not the same but that's not none too like they've mentioned. Please, no harsh feelings:) And second of all, you're totally right as a volleyball fan, i can understand, the amateur spirit disappears that way. and yes we need to wait to figure out whats gonna happen. Maybe FBA's transfers won't be that glamorous, who knows:) and as my team's success I'dont want that much star players in our roster. Aguero and Carillo is okay for me. But we don't need Lo Bianco..

Your all opinions are up as one high level player would sit on the tribune for all of the season and just play for the european games. That's not gonna happen!! There is no obligation that you have to register 3 foreign players who will play for the Turkish league. And all of them will be on the rotation. One game Aguero will play and the other game Osmo for example. And I've read some comment about Aguero that she won't accept not to play. She is 33. And I don't think she has such desire to play like 10 years ago now..

Actually we do have enough money for Furst and Lo Bianco too. But Sokolova's status is not clear yet. She is a Turkish citizen, but the federation won't let any player to play in Turkish status if they don't choose to play as a Turkish NT. Sokolova plays for Russia, so that's a dilemma. Maybe even FBA could sue federation because of that, we dont know yet:)
But still if we consider Sokolova as a Turkish player i don't think Fenerbahçe wants to get Lo Bianco. An opposite and a MB transfer is likely to happen soon. Furst may be a candidate for us but a setter is not an option i think. We still do have Naz in the roster. Maybe they will try to keep Dirickx just for the european squad..

could anyone please show me another link about Gamova's move? Cause i can't find any other site..

Quote from Stusi

One of them was Eczacibasi manager for sure.

Probably both of them were, cause there was a news about two manager of Eczacıbaşı in Italy right now. And i suppose Flier is also a target for Eczacıbaşı...

Quote from Marieke68

Could we see the matches on internet?

actually i've never tried that before till now:) but FB Tv will broadcast the game and you can watch FB Tv on that link,

http://fbtvonline.com/

you may need to download some plug or sort of stuff, i've just done a moment ago, I'm sure you could handle:)

by the way the first game's time moved on 16.30 because of the important football game that night Fenerbahçe has. 16.30 is local again..

May 1, Saturday, at 18.30 local time, it is 17.30 for you i guess, and the other games are on May 4 and May 6, if necessary May 9 and 11 the other dates to play..

Quote from Jo11

One is saying that Gioli will be playing for sure in turkey... and an other is saying that she will stay in russia.
If Dirickx is leaving Naz will be first setter? For sure they need a turkish setter if they keep Gamova, Osmokrovic ans if Gioli is coming... but I don't think that the team needs Gioli. They have good midle players. they only need a good outside hitter who can receive and defend well.

I agree with you, first issue must be an outside hitter, and no one knows anything right now about Naz's situation or which position we will strenghten, gamova will stay or not, everything is so flu, it's just we know foreign player restriction will be 3-0, and i don't think Gioli case is true for Fenerbahçe..

Quote from Jo11

In france they say that she will play in Cannes for sure....
Just joking

Well Gioli is certainly one of the best player right now, all big clubs wants her (russia, Turkey and italy) we will have to wait and see... but fenerbahce already have Osmokrovic and probably Gamova... I will say Villa Cortese for her destination they are in champion's leahue and she can play with her friend Aguero.

:))
but we will have at least one more star player, thats almost certain, i dont think its gonna be Gioli though, MB must not be our priority to strenghten, first we need to find a 4 like Picci or Tom, then after Gioli is always welcome here:))

Quote from Doll

In Italy is almost sure that Gioli will play in VIlla Cortese next years...

Thats more fun:) then we'll buy her right arm i guess, you can keep the rest:) off season is getting close and those rumours will increase more, we should not pay a lot attention i think:)
but Shabovta's post is so certain and i really wonder his response..

Quote from SHABOVTA

Gioli in Dinamo Moscow till 2012. That`s for sure!!! She feels very happy there. Oksana Parkhomenko also will stay in Dinamo for sure!

I read a news about Gioli today in a Turkish site, you're already a member of that, you know "voleybolmagazin", it says Gioli will play for a Turkish team next season, %99 certain they say, most possibly for Fenerbahçe, how certain was your source?

First of all speaking for myself i never heard that statement, about the first silver medal statement, maybe he was trying to make another point, but if it is as you said then he's wrong obivously. He was talking about that we won 37 in a row and were unbeaten till the final maybe those were he was trying to explain. But still i dont' know..

But I'm telling again, all the people who knows something about volleyball makes that statement when they are trying to point out this is Indesit Champions League, you're talking about FB Tv, but FB Tv includes Aylin Üstündağ who was in the roster of that first team who achieved that success, and i think there is a good chance she might has a knowledge about the history includes herself:) and another example for those Burcu Hakyemez in her programme especially pointed out after she told that is a first achievement but we're talking about Indesit Champions League.

About Vgstt and Eczacıbaşı, i don't know why are we discussing this now? I don't see any connection but still i will answer that. I think he's right. Yeah Vakıfbank and Eczacıbaşı are milestones definitely. They kept volleyball alive in Turkey. But they dont have an adequate community. Gs and Bjk a lot more than they're now. I wish they would stay forever and meanwhile Gs and Bjk would able to find another foundations to support by. That would make 5 competetive teams. But if thats not gonna happen then that would be better to close Eczacı and Vgstt to support those greater communities. And i really can't see what's so wrong about that statement, even accuse somebody with a lack of respect, i really don't get your problems with him. I have a lot friends of Vgstt and Eczacıbaşı supporters but nobody ever talked about Mehmet Ali Aydınlar like that..