I dunno, yeah it's certainly a lie, but what's the alternative? not working hard? not working at all?
If you're born in a poor enviroment (as is the case for a huge part of the population in Brazil) unless you luck out you can work as hard as you want and you still staying poor, so this mindset feels both discriminatory and patronizing
here's a short story about how stupid american voters are. this was in the 2014 midterm elections when obama was president. the NYT interviewed people in kentucky, poor white people, that got health insurance for the first time in their lives, and they were so happy! they talked about how they had not gone to the doctors in decades. and when asked who they were going to vote for, they said, they were voting for mcconnell (closet case), the man who wants to take away their health care. why? "because obama is a socialist and a muslim."
If it wasn't so fucked up this would actually be funny lmao, how in the hell did she come up with her as her idol, is she the only famous powerful woman she knows about?
honestly at this point I'm so desensitized to so many things that it's just hilarious to me lmao
My opinion: Brazilian volleyball players leave school very early, which counts a lot for their alienation and lack of class consciousness. But also they have that perspective of "if I made it to being a famous volleyball player and fulfilled my dreams, anyone could do that, it's just a matter of WANTING". I hate this so much. They are one in a million but still think "you just need to go for it...". This is very aligned with the right-wing philosophy. They are also against social inclusion because "they've made it on their own"...
Ahh, the old "pull yourself by your bootstraps" bull.
I agree with Sisko that the lie that is "meritocracy" and all its underlying assumptions have been one of the biggest obstacles to meaningful change in the modern era. It's a poison that prevents many from seeing the deep underlying social and structural inequalities.
please tell me walewska is not a supporter of the bolsonazi...
I dunno, yeah it's certainly a lie, but what's the alternative? not working hard? not working at all?
Working hard should be encouraged but stereotyping less successful people as lazy is truly awful. The alternative would be to put less emphasis on status and wealth and more emphasis on living a productive, fulfilling and generous life.
I should probably say as a mod that we’re way off-topic right now.
If it wasn't so fucked up this would actually be funny lmao, how in the hell did she come up with her as her idol, is she the only famous powerful woman she knows about?
She was asked about that during the International Women's Day. It was indeed funny not to say tragic...
I should probably say as a mod that we’re way off-topic right now.
Yeah, my apologies for starting this whole thing! But this has been a very welcome decent and drama-less political discussion, so that's good.
please tell me walewska is not a supporter of the bolsonazi...
We don't know, because she doesn't have any social media. It's better that we never know lol
Sorry about the 
we can discuss this in another topic
She was asked about that during the International Women's Day. It was indeed funny not to say tragic...
Sure, but you're talking about people who probably didn't complete much schooling and just play volleyball all day and don't understand the social issues.
You wouldn't care what Bolsonaro would have to say about which 7 should be the starting lineup for Brazil at the Tokyo games (can you imagine that lol), so we shouldn't care about what any volleyball player has to say about any of these issues and it's disappointing that people put too much (read:any) weight in their words.
Unfortunately people put too much value into what opinions they may have (have, as in, been instructed to say).
most the them are ignorantI wish I knew, but for some reason a very large majority of our players tend to fall for the kind of right-wing rhetoric that led to things like the 2016 coup and the 2018 election. Tons of them are very religious and/or serve for the military as well, so that also impacts their political views.
it's a class issue too ... we see that in thailand, for example. middle-class people get very conservative because they think they have to be protected from the poor people...
Sure, but you're talking about people who probably didn't complete much schooling and just play volleyball all day and don't understand the social issues.
You wouldn't care what Bolsonaro would have to say about which 7 should be the starting lineup for Brazil at the Tokyo games (can you imagine that lol), so we shouldn't care about what any volleyball player has to say about any of these issues and it's disappointing that people put too much (read:any) weight in their words.
Unfortunately people put too much value into what opinions they may have (have, as in, been instructed to say).
I mean it's not like they're held at gunpoint to come up with these 300IQ hot takes.
No one is expecting them to have the most profund and insightful conversations about politics and social inequity, but they're still citizens (and also public figures which adds another layer to the issue) so their opinion has the same importance as everyone else and they should be held accountable for it.
decent and drama-less political discussion
If only adults that represent countries were able to do so.
All I see on social media about these debates are lying, arguing, name calling, etc.
Due to the potentially sensitive nature of the topic, we will keep a firm grip on this thread, and will not hesitate to delete any post we feel has crossed the line in any way.
With being said, go for it!
Does anyone know of that social study thing where they assembled three people, gave one person two dollars, one person one dollar, and one person zero. They instruct the person with one dollar to give it to either of the other two people. Most every time the person gave their dollar to the person who already had two
There were other details about it, I think, like which move the person with one dollar thought would benefit the group in the long run. Like tax cuts for the rich.
Does anyone know of that social study thing where they assembled three people, gave one person two dollars, one person one dollar, and one person zero. They instruct the person with one dollar to give it to either of the other two people. Most every time the person gave their dollar to the person who already had two
There were other details about it, I think, like which move the person with one dollar thought would benefit the group in the long run. Like tax cuts for the rich.
Well, that makes sense from a self-interest perspective -- either way you're left with nothing, and the choices are tied for 2nd or dead last.
Well, that makes sense from a self-interest perspective -- either way you're left with nothing, and the choices are tied for 2nd or dead last.
Yeah, that's why I was asking if anyone knew the details. It wasn't just a random crap shoot. Something like they were going to keep infusing dollars into the group depending on what choices were made.
Someone's post here earlier made me think of the "What's wrong with Kansas" phenom of why people vote against their own self interest
I remember now, that the “conclusion” to the study was that the one dollar person would try to affect a four, two, zero outcome rather than two, two, two outcome because that would ensure that there was someone beneath them