Volleyball Greece 2021-2022
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With all due respect but LDY is too good for the Greek league. I hope she'll go to Italy/Germany/Turkey next year
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With all due respect but LDY is too good for the Greek league. I hope she'll go to Italy/Germany/Turkey next year
I don't think any top club with 'good reputation' will hire her after that scandal
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doongie1015 i am in the arena...he is safe so far and he hasnt removed his jacket 😀
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papafotiou and grothues
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doongie1015 i am in the arena...he is safe so far and he hasnt removed his jacket 😀
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doongie1015 i am in the arena...he is safe so far and he hasnt removed his jacket 😀
I guess Panathinaikos fans were happy from the win to bother doing anything to him haha, or maybe Greece fans were indeed exaggerating things
I wouldn't know, but perhaps his "foreigner card" saved him too
Also, whole group of Panathinaikos fans (7 total?) went up to Dayeong after the match to take photos with her which was nice
With all due respect but LDY is too good for the Greek league. I hope she'll go to Italy/Germany/Turkey next year
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The receives and defence of PAOK were... very disappointing to say the least. I don't even want to go into it ㅠㅠ I miss Jaeyeong a lot haha
Its clear that Panathianikos did their homework on Dayeong like their coach said they did, their blockers were marking her throughout the match which was quite interesting to watch lol - refused to let her score any points from feints/spikes when she was in front row though she's a setter
Panathinaikos' setter #10 was great
Got quite upset that PAOK's blockers that just so easily kept falling into her play for the whole 4 sets
Needless to say Panathinaikos had much better spikers and receives than PAOK too
Our receives... sigh
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I don't think any top club with 'good reputation' will hire her after that scandal
I don't think any non-asian country (or rather, just countries like Korea/Japan/China - or just mainly Korea with their witch-hunting), much less club, would care about an incident that happened when they were kids in middle school >10 years ago prior to their pro careers as athletes??
There has been way worse things committed by athletes in top clubs overseas - actual crimes, worse scandals, doping and more
Also, not sure if you were aware, so I'm just sharing - the 'scandal' about them has not been proven to be true nor investigated yet.
Believe or not, their club and KVA both suspended the twins without any investigations at all into the truth of the completely anonymous accusations made towards them on an online forum.
This isn't a speculation but a fact, because even KVA have said so, and claimed their "suspension" without any investigation was 'rightfully dealt with' following "heavy negative public opinion" & "social scandal" (their reasons in their official statements when questioned about it)
The twins are currently in a lawsuit (initiated in order to launch an investigation) to prove the anonymous online accusations are false.
tl;dr what caused all of this was their club threatening to break their contract and forcing them to post a public apology letter = admitting to it because a single accusation out of the 20+ made against them was true. Didn't allow them to clarify it either.
And for that single truth which was heavily exaggerated, the twins had already apologised for it back in middle school.
They shared all this only after their club decided to break their contract in the end, because they weren't allowed to previously.
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I don't think any non-asian country (or rather, just countries like Korea/Japan/China - or just mainly Korea with their witch-hunting), much less club, would care about an incident that happened when they were kids in middle school >10 years ago prior to their pro careers as athletes??
There has been way worse things committed by athletes in top clubs overseas - actual crimes, worse scandals, doping and more
Also, not sure if you were aware, so I'm just sharing - the 'scandal' about them has not been proven to be true nor investigated yet.
Believe or not, their club and KVA both suspended the twins without any investigations at all into the truth of the completely anonymous accusations made towards them on an online forum.
This isn't a speculation but a fact, because even KVA have said so, and claimed their "suspension" without any investigation was 'rightfully dealt with' following "heavy negative public opinion" & "social scandal" (their reasons in their official statements when questioned about it)
The twins are currently in a lawsuit (initiated in order to launch an investigation) to prove the anonymous online accusations are false.
tl;dr what caused all of this was their club threatening to break their contract and forcing them to post a public apology letter = admitting to it because a single accusation out of the 20+ made against them was true. Didn't allow them to clarify it either.
And for that single truth which was heavily exaggerated, the twins had already apologised for it back in middle school.
They shared all this only after their club decided to break their contract in the end, because they weren't allowed to previously.
If Ngapeth still can find contracts in top clubs after so many scandals he was involved, I'm sure twins could find too
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I don't think any non-asian country (or rather, just countries like Korea/Japan/China - or just mainly Korea with their witch-hunting), much less club, would care about an incident that happened when they were kids in middle school >10 years ago prior to their pro careers as athletes??
There has been way worse things committed by athletes in top clubs overseas - actual crimes, worse scandals, doping and more
Also, not sure if you were aware, so I'm just sharing - the 'scandal' about them has not been proven to be true nor investigated yet.
Believe or not, their club and KVA both suspended the twins without any investigations at all into the truth of the completely anonymous accusations made towards them on an online forum.
This isn't a speculation but a fact, because even KVA have said so, and claimed their "suspension" without any investigation was 'rightfully dealt with' following "heavy negative public opinion" & "social scandal" (their reasons in their official statements when questioned about it)
The twins are currently in a lawsuit (initiated in order to launch an investigation) to prove the anonymous online accusations are false.
tl;dr what caused all of this was their club threatening to break their contract and forcing them to post a public apology letter = admitting to it because a single accusation out of the 20+ made against them was true. Didn't allow them to clarify it either.
And for that single truth which was heavily exaggerated, the twins had already apologised for it back in middle school.
They shared all this only after their club decided to break their contract in the end, because they weren't allowed to previously.
It was hot topic here. There were many articles about them, and I even saw some vlogs/podcast when they were talking about the twins.
I think every team would care about, how you call it 'incident'. That could damage the opinion about each team.
You said the accusations were annonymous. I don't think that husband of one of those girl is an anonym.
Anyway, also the fact that the twins 'espaced' from Korea isn't something to their favor.
I am also shocked that you didn't consider this as a potential 'real crime'. It is still something that shouldn't happen. And I fell really bad for the victims.
I don't know anything about law in Korea, but here in Europe, when you are threatening to kill someone and you are accused of home violence, you shouldn't be able to leave the country because that's pretty big charges.
That crime is still real crime. And people who are commiting something like that are going to jail. Please understand that apologizing is not enoguh in such case.
Destroying other peoples lifes, violence and threating to kill husband is serious thing. This is real life, not Sims game. And the fact that someone is celebrity or athlete doesn't make them not guilty.
Edit: Look, it's 2021, doctors/experts/media are talking over and over again, that it doesn't matter whether it is home violence, school bullying or mobbing, each case needs to be reported to the authorities/principals and investigated. You shouldn't treat it like an 'incident' and just accept the apology. Doing so, you give the aggresor the power to try to do it once again and again and again. Thanks to that, the whole 'violance circle' just starts and after some time it becames the 'regular thing'. The victim feels powerless and the aggressor feels he/she can get away with anything.
It is important to speak up, even for your friends, neighboors, family members. It doesn't matter if it's 17 y.o. girl bullying the other teenagers or 60-years old boss, throwing a keyboard at the employees. It is a crime.
serdar driving when you are drunk (Ngapeth) is really bad think, but still it ia different than using violence on purpuse, threatening someone and wanting to kill the husband. Would you hire such person?
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It was hot topic here. There were many articles about them, and I even saw some vlogs/podcast when they were talking about the twins.
I think every team would care about, how you call it 'incident'. That could damage the opinion about each team.
You said the accusations were annonymous. I don't think that husband of one of those girl is an anonym.
Anyway, also the fact that the twins 'espaced' from Korea isn't something to their favor.
I am also shocked that you didn't consider this as a potential 'real crime'. It is still something that shouldn't happen. And I fell really bad for the victims.
I don't know anything about law in Korea, but here in Europe, when you are threatening to kill someone and you are accused of home violence, you shouldn't be able to leave the country because that's pretty big charges.
That crime is still real crime. And people who are commiting something like that are going to jail. Please understand that apologizing is not enoguh in such case.
Destroying other peoples lifes, violence and threating to kill husband is serious thing. This is real life, not Sims game. And the fact that someone is celebrity or athlete doesn't make them not guilty.
Edit: Look, it's 2021, doctors/experts/media are talking over and over again, that it doesn't matter whether it is home violence, school bullying or mobbing, each case needs to be reported to the authorities/principals and investigated. You shouldn't treat it like an 'incident' and just accept the apology. Doing so, you give the aggresor the power to try to do it once again and again and again. Thanks to that, the whole 'violance circle' just starts and after some time it becames the 'regular thing'. The victim feels powerless and the aggressor feels he/she can get away with anything.
It is important to speak up, even for your friends, neighboors, family members. It doesn't matter if it's 17 y.o. girl bullying the other teenagers or 60-years old boss, throwing a keyboard at the employees. It is a crime.
serdar driving when you are drunk (Ngapeth) is really bad think, but still it ia different than using violence on purpuse, threatening someone and wanting to kill the husband. Would you hire such person?
Okay wow you are really into this as someone who don't seem to even be a fan of them. (I am more, since I am a fan)
First of all, let me re-iterate - there has been no investigation at all that there is any truth in both her ex and accusers claims.
If there has been a proper investigation into it and it is proven to be true, I am more than willing to change my stance on this whole issue.
"each case needs to be reported to the authorities/principals and investigated"
You said it yourself, if it were true, why is it that their principals/coaches/teachers were not aware of this back in school? They were interviewed by the media & said they were not aware of the accusations made.
If it were true, why had the accusers parents not reported it to the school or the police? In their claims, the accusers' parents said that they knew of it (if true), so its not as though they were not made aware of the fact back then and could not do anything.
Do you realize another male volleyball player in SKorea was accused of "locking a victim in a room for 14hours and hitting him"?
His club refused to help him as well, and he had to retire, file a lawsuit and launch an investigation and it was proven to be false - as were many other such accusations made towards public figures in Korea.
"I am also shocked that you didn't consider this as a potential 'real crime'."
It is simply because it isn't a "crime" - by the definition of 'law', not by moral standards - by this I am referring to the single accusation they admitted to, not the rest.
I definitely don't think it was right morally, and I was disappointed by that single truth they had admitted was true. But in 2021 alone they have already rightfully faced the consequences of it (far more beyond what they have done in fact).
Does this mean their entire life & career should end because of something they done >10 years ago when they were underage? Definitely not
One example of a false accusation made towards themThey accused them of stealing their money, when instead it was a team punishment collectively agreed upon by everyone on the team
- whereby if someone was not taking their training seriously to collect 500krw (50 cents) from the teammate, and even the twins were subject to this and had to pay up before. The money did not go to the twins.
It is also funny that you actually think her ex-husband's claims are true. "wanting to kill her husband" made me absolutely LOL
He's been trying to extort 500 million krw (~$500K) from her since their divorce after a marriage of 4 months.This is also factual as he had admitted to it, and gave absolutely absurd reasons for demanding that amount of money from her.
Have you never questioned why he's bringing their private life into the media instead of to the legal court? And only 2+ years later & right before she was about to leave for Greece? Also, yes he is still an "anoym" in that, in revealing the details of their private life, he kept his identity private while exposing her as a public figure. Though fans have seen his face and know of him, not the general media/public.
I am still waiting for the investigation results into the accusers claims on whether the twins are telling the truth or not. But as for her husband, what he's saying is absolute bullshit.
"and I even saw some vlogs/podcast when they were talking about the twins."
This alone is enough to explain to me why you have such a skewed view/opinion on their case without a clear understanding of what is happening, believing it all to be true. A crazy amount of online content has been made about their case due to their huge popularity as well as how absurd the claims made against them are - due to the anonymous nature of it & lack of investigations.
I fully agree with your edit that such cases cannot be brushed aside. But there is a huge difference when you commit something like this as an underage kid vs as an adult. Whether it is true or pure defamation. Another is after apologizing/settling/paying your due, if a person has changed, they should be allowed to continue with their life.
To add, do you realize that several other male volleyball players in Korea were accused of worse things than the twins (i.e. physically bullying a teammate, so much so they had to be sent to the hospital for surgery) were forgiven and have rejoined their clubs in this current season - in Korea too.
Another example, the most famous player in male Korean league was accused of violence against his ex-girlfriend and even secretly filming her. He settled his case outside of court with his ex and she dropped the case, and claimed he forgot the passcode to his phone, so police were unable to charge him further for his crime of illegal filming.
He recently returned to the league after just a short few months away. These are all worse than what was accused of the twins.
What the twins are facing now is solely due to their popularity and how "sensational" their news are. People - like yourself who aren't even fans - are consuming these information and believing everything without fact-checking.
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You said it yourself, if it were true, why is it that their principals/coaches/teachers were not aware of this back in school? They were interviewed by the media & said they were not aware of the accusations made.
Probably, because people were afraid to speak about it back then? It is often hard to speak up. Especially, when people are reacting the same way as you are.
Her husband went to police and made official statetement. We can't just say, that there is 'no case'. It is official allegation.
The things that you covered under the 'spoiler' are just horrible. It makes really sad just to reading this stuff. I want to cry. Really. Wow. I can't believe you are really thinking that way.
We need justice for every crime. Also, if someone did something worse.
"But there is a huge difference when you commit something like this as an underage kid vs as an adult."
Wow. That's not true. There are courts for teenagers. There are special institutions for teenagers. They are not somehwere 'under' the law. I personally know a guy from my class (we were like 13 or 14), who was bullying others for few weeks, was expelled from school and closed in special institution for teenagers. He didn't hit anybody or didn't close anybody in locker room for the whole day, but still commited a crime.
This is the last post from my site, regarding this topic. I really hope you are just joking or messing with me. Please, let's protect the potential victims, not defend the abusers.
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Probably, because people were afraid to speak about it back then? It is often hard to speak up. Especially, when people are reacting the same way as you are.
Her husband went to police and made official statetement. We can't just say, that there is 'no case'. It is official allegation.
The things that you covered under the 'spoiler' are just horrible. It makes really sad just to reading this stuff. I want to cry. Really. Wow. I can't believe you are really thinking that way.
We need justice for every crime. Also, if someone did something worse.
"But there is a huge difference when you commit something like this as an underage kid vs as an adult."
Wow. That's not true. There are courts for teenagers. There are special institutions for teenagers. They are not somehwere 'under' the law. I personally know a guy from my class (we were like 13 or 14), who was bullying others for few weeks, was expelled from school and closed in special institution for teenagers. He didn't hit anybody or didn't close anybody in locker room for the whole day, but still commited a crime.
This is the last post from my site, regarding this topic. I really hope you are just joking or messing with me. Please, let's protect the potential victims, not the defend the abusers.
I want this to be my last post on this as well - I hope.
You're getting it wrong where I'm coming from. Like I said, I'm waiting for the investigation results too. I can and will change my view if things change.
I'm not "dismissing their case" but sharing what the current facts because there are people like yourself who just see the headline news and condemn them without even realizing it may be completely untrue.
As someone who isn't their fan, why do you find a need to pick a side to defend? Why not wait for investigations to be complete, before doing so?
You defending the victims will not help their case. Nor will me choosing to believe the twins help with their investigation either.
After following the news and actual facts - as someone who understands Korean, instead of following online "videos and podcasts" about the situation.
Comparing the twins who have clarified everything from their side of things, admitting to what they had done wrong and apologizing for it multiple times & clearly clarifying what was true and what was not, the accusers have been refusing to cooperate with investigations.
Aside from a single interview they did with the media under anonymity (not the police) to further publicize their accusations right before the twins could re-contract with their club for the next season, they refused to show up and cooperate multiple times and made things difficult for investigations to proceed, before finally showing up because the twins filed a lawsuit after many months, and every other party (coaches/principals/etc) in this situation have given clear indication that they were not aware of such things actually happening.
This was all in the news by the way, the accusers themselves said they refused to meet with the twins.Also her ex did not go to the police to make his official statement, he went to the media to do that, with an interview to publicize their marriage in the media - not the police. But yes their issues are under court case (I believe) since its divorce proceedings.
(Do you not realize that what you believe to be true, or 'may be potentially true' right now are not even facts at all? because you got your information from videos/podcasts?? do you realize there are claims in these video/podcasts which were not even actually made by these "victims" but completely made up based on pure speculation/ aim to defame/ get clicks?
i.e. some false accusations made up by these online creators includes one of them getting pregnant, claimed their mum attended their club training and dictated the coaching, and many more ridiculous ones, ones which were not even originally from the anonymous forum post online)
I don't like such things as much as you do, but what I dislike just as much - are false accusers, who take advantage of such situations.
Just as much as there are "potential victims", there are "potential abusers".
Should they halt their lives for years? Or forever? For something that is potentially completely untrue??? Who will provide for them meanwhile? Especially for an athlete whose timeline is so short. They become the victims in such scenarios.
When things are proven to be false, how will people who tear them down/cancel them, compensate for it? They can't and they won't.
It's just online entertainment for people like yourself to consume, you feel like you're "doing the right thing" by condemning/cancelling them, meanwhile their lives are being ruined.
I will also condemn them once accusations are investigated and proven to be true, so that such cases will not repeat to others - but as of this moment, it has not.
The only reason why I added those other cases, was to provide you with a point of comparison in all this.
You know of the twins news only because it was sensationalized without any fact-checking or investigation.
Meanwhile in this sports world where you believe "I don't think any top club with 'good reputation' will hire her after that scandal", I will need to advice you to reevaluate. You think this only happens in Korea? Its way worse in Western countries. In fact its so common that people don't even bother reporting about these things - which is not something I agree with, but I'm just stating it for what it is.
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papafotiou and grothues
I was only able to watch the first 2 sets, but their connection is great
For me the libero of Panathinaikos is a big weakness, because her reception is pretty bad. She is lucky Grothues is receiving next to her.
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It was hot topic here. There were many articles about them, and I even saw some vlogs/podcast when they were talking about the twins.
I think every team would care about, how you call it 'incident'. That could damage the opinion about each team.
You said the accusations were annonymous. I don't think that husband of one of those girl is an anonym.
Anyway, also the fact that the twins 'espaced' from Korea isn't something to their favor.
I am also shocked that you didn't consider this as a potential 'real crime'. It is still something that shouldn't happen. And I fell really bad for the victims.
I don't know anything about law in Korea, but here in Europe, when you are threatening to kill someone and you are accused of home violence, you shouldn't be able to leave the country because that's pretty big charges.
That crime is still real crime. And people who are commiting something like that are going to jail. Please understand that apologizing is not enoguh in such case.
Destroying other peoples lifes, violence and threating to kill husband is serious thing. This is real life, not Sims game. And the fact that someone is celebrity or athlete doesn't make them not guilty.
Edit: Look, it's 2021, doctors/experts/media are talking over and over again, that it doesn't matter whether it is home violence, school bullying or mobbing, each case needs to be reported to the authorities/principals and investigated. You shouldn't treat it like an 'incident' and just accept the apology. Doing so, you give the aggresor the power to try to do it once again and again and again. Thanks to that, the whole 'violance circle' just starts and after some time it becames the 'regular thing'. The victim feels powerless and the aggressor feels he/she can get away with anything.
It is important to speak up, even for your friends, neighboors, family members. It doesn't matter if it's 17 y.o. girl bullying the other teenagers or 60-years old boss, throwing a keyboard at the employees. It is a crime.
serdar driving when you are drunk (Ngapeth) is really bad think, but still it ia different than using violence on purpuse, threatening someone and wanting to kill the husband. Would you hire such person?
I wasn't justifying twins' acts (I didn't read all the news so I don't know if these are proven or still considered as accusations) ngapeth indeed physically harassed a woman in a club (I think it was in Brazil if I remember right) to me this as bad or even worse than what twins are accused of. Anyways my point was that there are clubs that don't really care players' criminal record (5 cuban male players were accused of raping a Finnish girl, some of these players found clubs to play in Turkey)
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Panathinaikos - PAOK 3-1 (25-17 , 18-25, 25-20, 25-23)
Panathinaikos: Cross 16 (10/17, 2 aces, 4 blocks), Grothues 14 (14/32), Chatziefstratiadou 12 (8/15, 2 aces, 2 blocks) Stepanenko 12 (8/31), Chantava 9 (9/25), Rogka (i, 50%rec.), Konstantinou 3 (2/11)
PAOK: Collar 18 (15/42, 3 blocks), Merteki 15 (13/34), Polinopoulou 11 (6/12, 5 blocks), Fidon 9 (7/24), Kalatandze 5 (3/7), Lee Dayeong 2, Ksanthopoulou (l, 45%rec.), Kiparissi 4 (3/8)
AEK - Olympiakos 2-3 (25-19, 20-25, 25-21, 20-25, 17-19)
AEK: Vander Weide 28 (26/60, 2 blocks), Terrell 15 (12/34), Brown 14 (10/18)
Olympiakos: Salas 22 (20/33), Costa Paraiba 21 (17/50), Hippe 19 (17/46), Emmanouilidou 15 (7/11, 3 aces, 5 blocks)
Olympiakos played without Giota, Christodoulou and Genitsaridi
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Aris - Ilisiakos 3-0 (25-17, 25-18, 25-19)
Aris: Mercado 18 (15/26), Evans 14 (11/25), Schwan 13 (12/18)
Ilisiakos: Sotiriou 11 (10/24)
Porfyras - Thetis 1-3 (18-25, 25-16, 04-25, 20-25)
Porfyras: Rodrigues 21 (20/54)
Thetis: Anthouli 20 (15/38)
AO Thiras - Aias 3-0 (25-14, 25-20, 25-22)
AO Thiras: Mitrovic 17 (10/26, 7 aces), Murillo 15 (13/23)
Aias: Chantzi 11
AO Lamias - Robles 3-1 (20-25, 25-21, 25-15, 25-17)
AO Lamias: Robles 27 (26/49), Goes 14 (11/17), Pereira 13 (11/21)
Amazones: Santos 25 (23/43)
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how is Yanelis playing? and why she stopped playing for 2 years, somebody knows?
she helps a lot her team
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she helps a lot her team
and she is not jump serving anymore, right?
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yes...