Rhaemon, I am sorry but I will stop here. It is really difficult to explain something to someone who does not have any analytical skills and can't follow a simple logic. Let it be your emotions, either love for Russian players or hate for Ebrar, I don't know how to explain it. But I feel like I am talking to a 13 year old, who is simply looking for winning a debate, although it means overlooking a logical argument.
logical🤣
You’re defending the party showing the finger by implying she never showed finger before so the other party to whom finger was shown is at fault for being shown the finger and the finger shower is a victim. I detest ebrar but in every standard your comprehension and logic is troublesome. So you dont act like more impartial than those users you blame for blamely supporting ebrar.
Affronts are common in sports. And they are tolerated by the referee and by players at a certain point.
The Brazilians and the Russians are doing it for so long but they never got to a point where one has to throw a finger and had to apologize.
showing a finger is an extreme response.
And it takes an extreme point of rudeness to merit such response. And that is my point.
Ebrar is so untolerable that an extreme response was made by the other side.
She was so rude, the Brazilians had to UNFOLLOW her on insta. She was so rude that a lot of players liked a post by Natalia Pierera.
She was so rude even off court that she gets into fights in public.
But go ahead. Keep defending her
Move on already lol
Anyway, today is the day for the second match of the finals. I hope it's a great match between the two most deserving teams in the league!
Pietrini is like the Sofia Goggia of Italian volleyball with the difference, that the real one wins when she is healthy and Pietrini, at best, plays decently.
Well Pietrini has been playing well and was instrumental coming off the bench to help Kazan beat Leningradka. I have watched most of her games and I feel like she has improved and now with Brayelin playing to her normal self they are the team to beat imo.
Let's just hope she's healthy for the NT season. She's a very important piece.
Kazan is done, Loko will eat them alive in Calingrad
Rhaemon, I am sorry but I will stop here. It is really difficult to explain something to someone who does not have any analytical skills and can't follow a simple logic. Let it be your emotions, either love for Russian players or hate for Ebrar, I don't know how to explain it. But I feel like I am talking to a 13 year old, who is simply looking for winning a debate, although it means overlooking a logical argument.
And funny part is that he blames everyone for being stupid, comprehension is the key, bring compelling arguments etc😂 the irony🤦
You and your besties Altinli and Santastongue makes three. Who else?
Lol the way this insecure mod targets me when I am not even in the picture 
You are a hypocrite and an enabler and we are indeed tyrants against that, this is how the world goes, you can't just silence people you don't like and expect them to be nice in return. Don't expect us to think your fake niceness and polite phrasing changes anything. The world needs less polite people and more KIND people in my books, some people seem to think these things are interchangeable but they are absolutely not.
I have disagreed many times with both Santastongue and Serdar, just because I also agree with them on certain matters doesn't mean we are besties. Surprise surprise, you are not part of a sole majority of thought and reason lol.
There are numerous Russian athletes who have been outspoken against the war. Not only Gamova but also tennis players on the ATP and WTA circuit such as Medvedev, Rublev and Kasatkina, hence its obvious this stance isnt as impossible as you suggest in Russia today.
To be exactly fair, Kasatkina doesn't live in Russia afaik and Tennis players have some form of immunity from the strong federations and the continuous international tournament systems. These players are not so much stuck in their country. But yes it is clearly not impossible.
Though I can understand and empathize with Russians that don't speak up against the war tbh, in Turkey we know very well that if you said something that crosses Erdogan's line you can find yourself with a tickets straight to jail. Turkey and Russia both have the highest numbers of jailed journalists.
Maybe you should explain that how can you compare a warmonger like Putin and Erdoğan, who is also a corrupt politician but last time I checked turkey didn't invade another country
By the way, before randomly throwing my name there, check if I even said anything about Goncharova should challenge to Putin 🤦 my discussion was only about that dumbass calling everyone stupid because people think different than him. So don't interfere before understanding what the discussion is about 🙄
It did actually. What about North Syria, also caused people to be displaced from their homes and settled with different pro Erdogan religious groups. Afrin used to be 95% Kurdish and it is below 30% now with ex ISIS members making a large portion of the new city thanks to Erdogan, many women were butchered in this process. Also we supported Nagorno-Karabakh war, that displaced people as well. Whether we think they are justified or not (for me I have a strict anti-war stance tbh) Ataturk's peace at home, peace in the world quote/rule for the Turkish state and insisting against any form of war outside Turkish borders has indeed been broken by Erdogan. I find Putin and Erdogan to be very similar and both tyrants. Today we still suffer from this decision geopolitically and even within, hopefully we do the right decision the next election before it really is too late.
i think lookism plays an important role for many. Goncha’s antics make her a vain diva, while ebrars her a disgusting person deserving a punch in the face and the middle finger
Most definitely, it is interesting the same people that judge Ebrar can defend Goncharova quite honestly, I happen to think Ebrar was probably even inspired by Goncharova's career for her shenanigans. Goncharova used to always target youngsters and teenagers as well, so slightly worse to me! Pretty privilige at it's finest.
To me personally I honestly don't care as much, as long as they don't take it too far and physical or take it personal off-court, sometimes Afrontes are fun.
It did actually. What about North Syria, also caused people to be displaced from their homes and settled with different pro Erdogan religious groups. Afrin used to be 95% Kurdish and it is below 30% now with ex ISIS members making a large portion of the new city thanks to Erdogan, many women were butchered in this process. Also we supported Nagorno-Karabakh war, that displaced people as well. Whether we think they are justified or not (for me I have a strict anti-war stance tbh) Ataturk's peace at home, peace in the world quote/rule for the Turkish state and insisting against any form of war outside Turkish borders has indeed been broken by Erdogan. I find Putin and Erdogan to be very similar and both tyrants. Today we still suffer from this decision geopolitically and even within, hopefully we do the right decision the next election before it really is too late.
It seems you definetely misundurstand our biggest leader Atatürk's ''peace at home, peace in the world'' mission. You seem to forget he was a great 'soldier' as well. If you think what Turkey is doing in Syria is an invading, you should double check your sources of politics. This way of seeing what is happening in Syria looked so 'European' to me.
To be exactly fair, Kasatkina doesn't live in Russia afaik and Tennis players have some form of immunity from the strong federations and the continuous international tournament systems. These players are not so much stuck in their country. But yes it is clearly not impossible.
Though I can understand and empathize with Russians that don't speak up against the war tbh, in Turkey we know very well that if you said something that crosses Erdogan's line you can find yourself with a tickets straight to jail. Turkey and Russia both have the highest numbers of jailed journalists.
Its a compelling issue to discuss, but I wont do it more in this thread as its a bit off-topic with regard to the Russian Superleague. Perhaps the discussion could be relocated to the politics thread instead?
Lol the way this insecure mod targets me when I am not even in the picture
I have disagreed many times with both Santastongue and Serdar, just because I also agree with them on certain matters doesn't mean we are besties. Surprise surprise, you are not part of a sole majority of thought and reason lol.
Yes I historically had my biggest beefs with Altinli indeed. Ah good old times 😂
i think lookism plays an important role for many. Goncha’s antics make her a vain diva, while ebrars her a disgusting person deserving a punch in the face and the middle finger
Halo effect is a bitch 🥺
It did actually. What about North Syria, also caused people to be displaced from their homes and settled with different pro Erdogan religious groups. Afrin used to be 95% Kurdish and it is below 30% now with ex ISIS members making a large portion of the new city thanks to Erdogan, many women were butchered in this process. Also we supported Nagorno-Karabakh war, that displaced people as well. Whether we think they are justified or not (for me I have a strict anti-war stance tbh) Ataturk's peace at home, peace in the world quote/rule for the Turkish state and insisting against any form of war outside Turkish borders has indeed been broken by Erdogan. I find Putin and Erdogan to be very similar and both tyrants. Today we still suffer from this decision geopolitically and even within, hopefully we do the right decision the next election before it really is too late.
I don't know how old you are or if you remember the time when Erdogan was also in prison in the 1990s when he was mayor of Istanbul for public displays of religion. In Turkey, one regime: secular and military was replaced by another: populist- Erdogan. Turkey doesn`t have a tradition of model democracy like in Western Europe. To complete this way, many years must pass and these may be difficult years, like for example in Poland and some countries in Central Europe, such as Hungary, have turned back from the right way. The only thing I can agree with you is that from the point of view of the entire NATO and Europe, the secular- military regime in Turkey before the Erdogan era was better for us- I mean the Western world at all, because it would be 100% for NATO and wouldn`t stand in the middle between NATO and Putin.
I don't know how old you are or if you remember the time when Erdogan was also in prison in the 1990s when he was mayor of Istanbul for public displays of religion. In Turkey, one regime: secular and military was replaced by another: populist- Erdogan. Turkey doesn`t have a tradition of model democracy like in Western Europe. To complete this way, many years must pass and these may be difficult years, like for example in Poland and some countries in Central Europe, such as Hungary, have turned back from the right way. The only thing I can agree with you is that from the point of view of the entire NATO and Europe, the secular- military regime in Turkey before the Erdogan era was better for us- I mean the Western world at all, because it would be 100% for NATO and wouldn`t stand in the middle between NATO and Putin.
How does this relate to anything I said exactly, with all due respect? This post is about Turkeys invasion in North Syria which I disagreed with.
The western model isn't anything any of us aspire to take inspiration in, globally outside of the western sphere. Turkey indeed learned to be imperialist from Western countries sadly, the Syrian case is caused by Turkey, the Western countries and Russia altogether. Previously the west also caused messes in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea and now ongoing case of Palestine and Syria. Erdoğan was installed and funded by Western major powers in Turkey and this is why his ways initially were causing dislike of the public and state at the time (years later we see they were right) and he eventually backfired on them and stopped listening to them. Just like how ISIS and the Taliban backfired on them and also was funded by them.
I am critiqueing our own state and hoping it can improve independently and stop from imperialist and genocidal ways of the west, all the west is doing is stealing resources from the same people it kills and discriminates against, very shameful capitalist societies that have disconnected mostly from humanity a long time ago. The eastern European countries are failing because they are modeled to support western economies and they will never surpass them for that reason, they don't want them to. Even Japan in the 80s was attacked by this same ideology and since entered an era of depression.
It is simple for me, no more imperialism.
Display MoreHow does this relate to anything I said exactly, with all due respect? This post is about Turkeys invasion in North Syria which I disagreed with.
The western model isn't anything any of us aspire to take inspiration in, globally outside of the western sphere. Turkey indeed learned to be imperialist from Western countries sadly, the Syrian case is caused by Turkey, the Western countries and Russia altogether. Previously the west also caused messes in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea and now ongoing case of Palestine and Syria. Erdoğan was installed and funded by Western major powers in Turkey and this is why his ways initially were causing dislike of the public and state at the time (years later we see they were right) and he eventually backfired on them and stopped listening to them. Just like how ISIS and the Taliban backfired on them and also was funded by them.
I am critiqueing our own state and hoping it can improve independently and stop from imperialist and genocidal ways of the west, all the west is doing is stealing resources from the same people it kills and discriminates against, very shameful capitalist societies that have disconnected mostly from humanity a long time ago. The eastern European countries are failing because they are modeled to support western economies and they will never surpass them for that reason, they don't want them to. Even Japan in the 80s was attacked by this same ideology and since entered an era of depression.
It is simple for me, no more imperialism.
So what do you think about Syria? There, as in Iraq and other North African countries, there were regimes and dictators, including: Saddam Hussein, Mubarak, Assad, Kaddafi etc. As long as they were there, there was peace, there were fewer immigrants in Europe, etc. From the point of view of Western Europe, it was better not to touch these countries and not to change the regimes there, which caused chaos, civil wars, etc. It was a mistake Western world. I don`t think that Arab countries are ready to forcefully introduce democracy, which will collapse a few days after the withdrawal of NATO troops, like Afghanistan. Regarding Turkey, don`t forget that it is a member of NATO and has obligations resulting from this. If Turkey wants to be 100% neutral, as it was during World War II, it should leave NATO.
So what do you think about Syria? There, as in Iraq and other North African countries, there were regimes and dictators, including: Saddam Hussein, Mubarak, Assad, Kaddafi etc. As long as they were there, there was peace, there were fewer immigrants in Europe, etc. From the point of view of Western Europe, it was better not to touch these countries and not to change the regimes there, which caused chaos, civil wars, etc. It was a mistake Western world. I don`t think that Arab countries are ready to forcefully introduce democracy, which will collapse a few days after the withdrawal of NATO troops, like Afghanistan. Regarding Turkey, don`t forget that it is a member of NATO and has obligations resulting from this. If Turkey wants to be 100% neutral, as it was during World War II, it should leave NATO.
I don't know about all of those leaders in detail, most of them to me were bad, some horrible, some maybe had good things, but the thing is everyone has the right for self-determination and it is not up to us to decide what is good or bad for them. Maybe some people don't want to be introduced to your form of democracy which is not causing all global rose fields and peace in the world either last time I checked. Some societies work with authoritarianism or severe forms of socialism and don't need everything on the state level to relate to them personally, they are ok doing what they think is right for the greater good.
No country or people are ready to be forced anything on them forcefully and you are not entitled to assume when or if they are ready for such a thing 
China has done a great job with their economy covering 1 billion people, do you think they have the right now to come to your country and tell you how Italians should live their life?
Let us also add the fact that the west not only introduced "democracy" to these countries as it seems you are thinking. If you look at the governments installed/funded by the west in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, they were mostly islamists while the original governments were not. Last time I checked you didn't have sharia law in Italy. These governments/orgs were funded to weaken the countries and steal oil, quite clearly. As a result of displacing all these people from their homes, you have now a refugee crisis, very much deserved 
enjoy it, the evil energy you put into the world returns in some form back.