2020 Olympic Games - qualification

  • This was WADA's decision to ban Russia from next 4 years in world competitions. We still need to wait and see how IOC and FIVB to react. There's a chance that IOC or FIVB not totally accept all the decisions made by WADA, maybe IOC or FIVB will accept part of the decisions.


    To me, I think it's not fair to ban the whole countries. If WADA has strong proof that some datas were manipulated, they surely can trace back to certain players. Why they have to ban the whole countries? Not fair to others who are clean.

    Maybe it is because the doping programme was supposedly government-funded.

  • A couple of things I'd like to point out before being misunderstood:


    - Russia is guilty of this and much worse things we will probably never know about. The amount of doped Russian athletes in other sports is astronomical and the tipping point was probably Sochi 2014 (doping and plain buying out medals from sensible sports such as figure skating)


    - individual athletes should never have been banned just for being Russian just like it happened before; the innocence (presumed and proved by doping tests) of the individual athletes should not be thrown away like this.


    - other countries haven't been banned for similar behavior (USA and Jamaica track and field, China swimming are state doping and it's undeniable); Russia is undeniably a weaker target for international political reasons, though it definitely deserved to receive a harsh lesson considering they were warned too many times. I doubt we will ever see anything like it happening to the above countries.

  • - other countries haven't been banned for similar behavior (USA and Jamaica track and field, China swimming are state doping and it's undeniable); I doubt we will ever see anything like it happening to the above countries.

    US Olympic Committee is not paid for by the US government, and hence not state sponsored doping. Individual athletes made their own decisions (yes some may be accidental).

  • ˄ Perhaps not state sponsored, but definitely sponsored by corporations (i.e. Nike) who make A LOT of money of these athletes. If a major athlete like Usain Bolt or Michael Phelps' sample tested positive on something, you can bet your ass that it would instantly be covered up.


    I think the ban should be limited to individual sports, since doping in team sports isn't that big of an issue. And I think Russia should get banned, but then China, Ukraine, North Korea, Belarus etc should get the same treatment.

  • Nike dropped Maria Sharapova when she tested positive. Did the same with Marion Jones and Lance Armstrong...and they're like the heavyweights in their sports and some of the most high profiled athletes of their time. It would be a PR nightmare for a sports oriented company like that to stick with a "disgraced" athlete or be found interfering with an on going investigation to save their brand by covering it up.


    Besides they don't quite move the needle of profits as much as a Michael Jordan or a Tiger Woods. Even Woods infidelity got Nike a lot of negative publicity. Just imagine how disastrous it would be for them if it goes out that they participated in a cover up. So I would say there's a near zero chance that they would do something like that.

  • Sorry but why are we looking for excuses for thieves who stole medals and careers of many other athletes especially if they used doping consciously? Yes I am calling those Russian athletes who used doping thieves and I agree they are not the only ones, there were a few Turkish ones in athleticism and I am very happy they were punished, almost all of their careers ended immediately.


    I think organisations should push for the worst punishment possible in such cases including suspension from that sport all life unless the person can prove that he/she did not do it consciously. Today it is not very difficult for sports people to actually question what they are taking as supplements, read about them and consult to others.

  • Nike dropped Maria Sharapova when she tested positive. Did the same with Marion Jones and Lance Armstrong...and they're like the heavyweights in their sports and some of the most high profiled athletes of their time. It would be a PR nightmare for a sports oriented company like that to stick with a "disgraced" athlete or be found interfering with an on going investigation to save their brand by covering it up.

    Sharapova is still a Nike athlete, they just suspended the relationship briefly after she was banned. Though her situation is totally different to the others you mentioned as she only broke the rules during one tournament which she didn’t perform well in anyway, a relatively minor indiscretion as the CAS found.

  • Right. Stand corrected about Sharapova but my point remains the same. They're not gonna inject themselves in situations like that to protect their brand ambassadors.


    Anyway people should try and watch the Netflix documentary Icarus to understand why this doping scandal is on a whole'nother level. Good way to kill some time.

  • US Olympic Committee is not paid for by the US government, and hence not state sponsored doping. Individual athletes made their own decisions (yes some may be accidental).

    Lamar Odom (Basketball Player) wrote a book and admitted that he cheated in a drug test before the 2004 Olympics by giving his trainer's urine sample instead of his.


    Hard to believe that nobody did not notice anything . Or they did but simply let him get away?....We would be foolish not to think there's been many many more cases like that.


    The only reason he revealed that is because USA did not win Gold in 2004. Had they won of course he would have not said anything. And he's retired, so that won't affect anything anymore.

  • Lamar Odom (Basketball Player) wrote a book and admitted that he cheated in a drug test before the 2004 Olympics by giving his trainer's urine sample instead of his.


    Hard to believe that nobody did not notice anything . Or they did but simply let him get away?....We would be foolish not to think there's been many many more cases like that.


    The only reason he revealed that is because USA did not win Gold in 2004. Had they won of course he would have not said anything. And he's retired, so that won't affect anything anymore.

    Nice of him to admit that he cheated....not surprised that you're equating his used of cannabis to performance enhancing drugs. Because of course.


    Just so we're clear, you quoted brahmin - explaining why

    Russia's case is different coz "USOC is not paid for by the US government, and hence not state sponsored doping"...and you thought bringing up Lamar Odoms weed consumption add what exactly to this conversation? Oh yeah to speculate and change the optics .Right, right.. I got it now.

  • Sharapova is still a Nike athlete, they just suspended the relationship briefly after she was banned. Though her situation is totally different to the others you mentioned as she only broke the rules during one tournament which she didn’t perform well in anyway, a relatively minor indiscretion as the CAS found.


    i don't understand all about sharapova case and others, but what i read is that she took meldonium, along with MANY other RUS athletes, and there's no reason for any young person to be taking it (it's a drug for heart disease). that doesn't sound like a minor indiscretion...


    and btw, didn't some VB players also take meldonium?

  • u got it right right.....He cheated in order to participate in the Olympics. Otherwise he would have not been able to compete, unless u think street drugs are allowed LOL . We are talking about Russians cheating...which means we can bring other cheaters to the conversation too....It is the Olympics......Same topic. u got it right right.


    cannabis relives pain and stress....This is exactly what many athletes are looking for.

    Nice of him to admit that he cheated....not surprised that you're equating his used of cannabis to performance enhancing drugs. Because of course.


    Just so we're clear, you quoted brahmin - explaining why

    Russia's case is different coz "USOC is not paid for by the US government, and hence not state sponsored doping"...and you thought bringing up Lamar Odoms weed consumption add what exactly to this conversation? Oh yeah to speculate and change the optics .Right, right.. I got it now.

  • The issue was about Russia and performance enhancing drugs. Marijuana would give you just about the opposite of what a high performance athlete is looking for especially those trying to cheat to gain advantage. The only reason why it's included in the lists of WADAs band substance is because it's still considered a schedule 1 in America. They would not be open about a possible excemption if its something they deemed as highly illegal and unfair to clean athletes. Something they would never do with other band substances on their lists.


    What's "LOL" to me is that you seem to think smoking a blunt on the reg, on one's own time without anyone pressuring them to do so and a state sponsored doping scandal are the same. Like a body builder picking up a bong would get the same results as another body builder injecting HGH. Lol

  • i don't understand all about sharapova case and others, but what i read is that she took meldonium, along with MANY other RUS athletes, and there's no reason for any young person to be taking it (it's a drug for heart disease). that doesn't sound like a minor indiscretion...


    and btw, didn't some VB players also take meldonium?

    I don’t want to get into it too much because it’s a tennis matter but as you said some VB players apparently took it as well such as Kosheleva, so I guess it’s relevant.


    From what I understand a lot of sports doctors, used to prescribe meldonium to athletes for one reason or another. It’s not unusual for athletes to be given supplements to enhance performance that are considered perfectly legitimate, creatine is an example or even something as simple as fish oil. I guess the athletes probably thought of meldonium as something similar and indeed it wasn’t a banned substance until 2016. Sharapova had been using it for some time, was unaware of the change in rules and got caught in her first tournament of the year where she reached the QF.


    She broke the rules by mistake (CAS says so anyway), in just one tournament that she didn’t do that well in anyway. I called it relatively minor because it’s quite different to Lance Armstrong deliberately cheating his way to 7 Tour de France titles and more.


    Maybe they should never have been taking meldonium in the first place but the fact is it used to be allowed and you never know what substance WADA will decide to ban in future that maybe is in common use today so personally I don’t want to demonise them too much.

  • Lamar Odom (Basketball Player) wrote a book and admitted that he cheated in a drug test before the 2004 Olympics by giving his trainer's urine sample instead of his.


    Hard to believe that nobody did not notice anything . Or they did but simply let him get away?....We would be foolish not to think there's been many many more cases like that.


    The only reason he revealed that is because USA did not win Gold in 2004. Had they won of course he would have not said anything. And he's retired, so that won't affect anything anymore.

    let's be reasonable, Neither Russia nor America is innocent. We all don't know their government support or not. Even if they support we will never know that. I don't care about Russia and America, and their politic relationships, what I care is that athletes who are 100% clean, no one has right to steal their olympic dream. Fetisova's interview really touched me, they should not upset our beautiful queen.

  • Although it is sad that some innocent players will suffer from this decision, I think if we want a drastic difference in their attitude towards doping, there should be drastic sanctions. Any other mild warnings didn't deter them use dopings. It seems like it is a state supported issue so it makes sense that whole state is punished for this.

  • to be honest, I think that many many athletes smoke weed. One year ago, When Conegliano won the supercup, Wołosz accidentaly added a video to her instastory, where Moretto is rolling joints.