PLAYERS THEMSELVES said that the Italian league is more competitive. You think you know better than them?
You only look at the winner and decide they're lying?
The lower teams can beat the top teams in Italy.
Meanwhile in Turkiye, the top 3 or 4 teams are untouchable all throughout.
Didn’t you learn yet that forum commentators know everything better then any league player? ☺️
Didn’t you learn yet that forum commentators know everything better then any league player? ☺️
We can continue to talk about the issue, but in the last 5/6 years, the minor European cups have always gone towards Italy: only Ecza in the CEV and Yeşilyurt in the Challenge have interrupted the domination of the Italian clubs...
I think this is a good indicator of what the average level of Italian clubs is compared to other championships: perhaps things will change, but for now it is like this......
But I'm sure that someone will have something to say even in the face of this evidence...
Funny to see how every player who played in Turkey and have come back to Seria A is saying SAME thing all over again. But still Turkish fans are trying to convince us other wise 
Seria A has way better middle level teams than Turkey. Thank you bye.
Seria A should start giving 2 cups, not only 1. Imoco will win the first one and another team can finally win something after 123456789 years
Why would big teams losing only 1-2 matches in the regular season make the league very competitive? After all, the top 4 teams are almost always at the top in İtaly just like Turkey.
The mid-level teams of the Italian League are stronger due to the foreign rule, but the league is not that competitive, as long imoco continue to dominate.
IMHO the turkish league has never been as week as it was in the last season. The italian league is still far from the technical level you could see in the middle of the 2000s, but far far far better than its main competitor.
I don't think just one foreigner make that big difference in Italy compared to Turkey in mid level teams
I think is more local players and coaches
I don't think just one foreigner make that big difference in Italy compared to Turkey in mid level teams
I think is more local players and coaches
Good coaching is the biggest difference, which makes the good pool of local players a consequence of the coaches' good work.
And the extra foreign spot also helps a lot.
Didn’t you learn yet that forum commentators know everything better then any league player? ☺️
We can continue to talk about the issue, but in the last 5/6 years, the minor European cups have always gone towards Italy: only Ecza in the CEV and Yeşilyurt in the Challenge have interrupted the domination of the Italian clubs...
I think this is a good indicator of what the average level of Italian clubs is compared to other championships: perhaps things will change, but for now it is like this......
But I'm sure that someone will have something to say even in the face of this evidence...
There are two different arguments here, you’re arguing Italian teams had been more successful winning minor trophies then Turkish teams. That is a valid argument and you may have some point there, as I stated on my previous post that it would have been nice if we had more data points but you may have a case there.
However, WPZ was arguing based on a false promise of top-level Italian teams were not able to win many games against lower-level teams in their league as many as top-level Turkish teams in their respective division. And that was based on feelings of some players who played on both leagues, even though current standings showed otherwise. The standing showed that top-level Italian teams were more dominant such as Imoco who has not lost a game in their regular season. So, the question for me was very simple should I take some players word for all I know who could be an unstable person, or a biased person, or even racist person, or on the other hand believe what the statistic shows. Well, darn it man you can call me crazy but I choose to believe in good all statistics. You are free to believe in someone else’s word instead, that is your decision. For me I really don’t give a sh**t what other commentators thinks!!!
There are two different arguments here, you’re arguing Italian teams had been more successful winning minor trophies then Turkish teams. That is a valid argument and you may have some point there, as I stated on my previous post that it would have been nice if we had more data points but you may have a case there.
However, WPZ was arguing based on a false promise of top-level Italian teams were not able to win many games against lower-level teams in their league as many as top-level Turkish teams in their respective division. And that was based on feelings of some players who played on both leagues, even though current standings showed otherwise. The standing showed that top-level Italian teams were more dominant such as Imoco who has not lost a game in their regular season. So, the question for me was very simple should I take some players word for all I know who could be an unstable person, or a biased person, or even racist person, or on the other hand believe what the statistic shows. Well, darn it man you can call me crazy but I choose to believe in good all statistics. You are free to believe in someone else’s word instead, that is your decision. For me I really don’t give a sh**t what other commentators thinks!!!
Ok... I listen to your opinions and I am willing to change mine but, please, let's stop considering those who express opinions on Turkey as biased or, worse, racist: we are talking about volleyball... Also because, in the end, it becomes This the reasoning that is full of biases...
There are two different arguments here, you’re arguing Italian teams had been more successful winning minor trophies then Turkish teams. That is a valid argument and you may have some point there, as I stated on my previous post that it would have been nice if we had more data points but you may have a case there.
However, WPZ was arguing based on a false promise of top-level Italian teams were not able to win many games against lower-level teams in their league as many as top-level Turkish teams in their respective division. And that was based on feelings of some players who played on both leagues, even though current standings showed otherwise. The standing showed that top-level Italian teams were more dominant such as Imoco who has not lost a game in their regular season. So, the question for me was very simple should I take some players word for all I know who could be an unstable person, or a biased person, or even racist person, or on the other hand believe what the statistic shows. Well, darn it man you can call me crazy but I choose to believe in good all statistics. You are free to believe in someone else’s word instead, that is your decision. For me I really don’t give a sh**t what other commentators thinks!!!
No. I was basing on somebody’s comment here regarding to Patry, that „sometimes it’s good to go to a lower league to build up own shape”. I just was teasing
I see fire is burning 
There are two different arguments here, you’re arguing Italian teams had been more successful winning minor trophies then Turkish teams. That is a valid argument and you may have some point there, as I stated on my previous post that it would have been nice if we had more data points but you may have a case there.
However, WPZ was arguing based on a false promise of top-level Italian teams were not able to win many games against lower-level teams in their league as many as top-level Turkish teams in their respective division. And that was based on feelings of some players who played on both leagues, even though current standings showed otherwise. The standing showed that top-level Italian teams were more dominant such as Imoco who has not lost a game in their regular season. So, the question for me was very simple should I take some players word for all I know who could be an unstable person, or a biased person, or even racist person, or on the other hand believe what the statistic shows. Well, darn it man you can call me crazy but I choose to believe in good all statistics. You are free to believe in someone else’s word instead, that is your decision. For me I really don’t give a sh**t what other commentators thinks!!!
I said for years turkish league was better, now, just because I changed my mind after watching a weak Sultanlar Ligi and a strong Serie A1 season, I'm supposed to be unstable, biased or racist. 
I said for years turkish league was better, now, just because I changed my mind after watching a weak Sultanlar Ligi and a strong Serie A1 season, I'm supposed to be unstable, biased or racist.
any time someone says the Turkish league or NT isn’t the best they get called racist lol. It’s like clockwork
any time someone says the Turkish league or NT isn’t the best they get called racist lol. It’s like clockwork
Anytime someone says Boskovic or Maja isn't the best, they get called haters or jealous. It's like clockwork
Anytime someone says Boskovic or Maja isn't the best, they get called haters or jealous. It's like clockwork
Lmao. Stop it.
Lol every time an Italian club wins CL, Italian league is simply way better, when Turkish league wins them 3 years back to back they're both equal level 
I will let y'all live your fantasy, I do think Italian league seemed stronger this season too. However, I don't think a league with such unaesthetic court colors and sponsors covering every inch of my screen will be the best league for me personally, I simply can't watch long term and that is my personal criteria.
Lol every time an Italian club wins CL, Italian league is simply way better, when Turkish league wins them 3 years back to back they're both equal level
I don't get what a strong web of sponsors has to do with the level of the league. You have municipality or multisport teams, Italy has independent clubs sponsored by multiple brands.
the best players in the world already said Italian league is more competitive yet people still think they can argue with it. 🤣
I said for years turkish league was better, now, just because I changed my mind after watching a weak Sultanlar Ligi and a strong Serie A1 season, I'm supposed to be unstable, biased or racist.
Funny, I actually agree with your assessment that this year’s Sultanlar league wasn’t as strong as last year, probably because VB wasn’t very strong this year, and I am a big VB fan. However, I am very intrigued with you other part of the post. I stated previously that why “I would take some players word for all I know who could be an unstable person, or a biased person, or even racist person”. Are you a player who played in both leagues? which I doubted that very much, but also why would you choose any one that I wrote, or all instead you could have easily said “or could be a player who genuinely believes”. Very interesting response, I should read some book on sub-conscious mind. But regardless cheers!!!
the best players in the world already said Italian league is more competitive yet people still think they can argue with it. 🤣
One of the best players in the world gamova said Goncharova and Moscow were at wrong in Ebrar conflict yet you still thought that you can argue with it 🤣
You see? players are not deities that always know the best and tells the best. Look at Tandara, although she was a great volleyball player, her shitty opinions are worthless
